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Collateral posted:So am I wrong in thinking PL is made up ex gsf members who got big and went gently caress PL was basically a second-rate MC until they more or less absorbed our (then) org structure through our close work with anthonyz/shamis/mazz during the BoB days, and apparently then leveraged that sudden influx of Actual Organization to turn into elite lowsec goonfleet between then and now. they're probably still mostly pubbies though.
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Between remedial and anthonyz eve goons sure knew how to pick the loons to look up to
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:17 |
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Wow that was a tough read. Not because it was "too long" (we'd be emptyquoting for the next three pages if I said some poo poo like that) but because it hurts to read. I really like Endie, and I mean a lot. I really like Sion a lot too. I have certainly enjoyed getting spacefat off of their hard work in helping to build us up. I don't have to pick a side here and won't. I will say after reading Sion's post that I felt really bad for him and wanted to give him a hug, and I'm not much of a hugger. It just seems like he's genuinely hurt by all of it - the wear of the road finally did get to him. I get that's why he left, but to have him come out and say those things now... I wish he hadn't done that here. I wish he'd kept that private or at the most between him and a few other select folks - Endie included. We didn't all need to read that pile of dirty laundry. When DJ came back and made his huge reddit AMA I saw it and was disgusted. Not so much about the subject matter - hey spaceships are serious business and all that - but moreso that he aired that bullshit out on reddit. However, it did endear him to the r/eve crowd, as any good grr gooner will do that, and he was quite the catch for the reddit crowd due to his history with goons and (less so) CCP. A short time later he was on our forums trying to shower in the goon love as well from oldguarders who adore him -- even though he'd just gotten done telling reddit that those were "not his goons" and that we're all basically j4g pubbies. Nah that's just me. You can't have it both ways, so I called him out on it in his "hey guys I'm back love me please" bullshit. Told him to get hosed. I don't give a poo poo who you are or what injustice you think was done to you -- you keep that poo poo out of the street so to speak. This is a huge key to PL's success -- they are extremely tight lipped about upper-tier internal alliance stuff, and they make security one of their biggest focuses. Every time I see some goon-in-power type leave his post and then write a loving tell-all novelpost about it I get a bit miffed because I don't like to think PL is better than goons but they sure have us beat in the keeping your loving mouth shut department. Both of you were a part of GIA at one point or another, and while you're both free to say whatever you like, it looks really bad when the poo poo starts getting flung because you should both know better. If you're the guy who leaves one job for another and at the new job talks incessantly about how lovely your previous job was, I'm not going to enjoy working with you. Endie's taking the slightly higher road here publicly and he doesn't have to -- but Sion you really shouldn't have made that post and as someone who values goons like I do I really wish you would not have -- but I'd still hug you for it because you seem to be genuinely hurt. It's okay to feel both ways and the faux pas isn't that egregious - I'd not line up to hug DJ, for instance. And that dude really really needs a hug -- or a straitjacket so he can hug himself whenever he wants. You're not quite in that class with your post here dude, just please don't make a loving r/eve post.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:21 |
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Please don't hug people. They won't thank you for it.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:26 |
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dreamin' posted:Between remedial and anthonyz eve goons sure knew how to pick the loons to look up to fun fact: Tony was initially trying to use the T20 information to blackmail BoB for an Aeon
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:28 |
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confirming that i am the new great satan
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:29 |
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Zodium posted:fun fact: Tony was initially trying to use the T20 information to blackmail BoB for an Aeon I was in fountain with Xelas (lol) for like four weeks and he tried to become king of fountain or some poo poo i don't quite remember in any case he had a giant pubbie flame on several forums when he wasn't made emperor of space complete with threats to hunt several people until the end of time with his amazing hacking skills and it was really, really embarassing and five minutes later (I guess it was more like two years) he joins remedial on the cheeto-crusted throne of goondom
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:33 |
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Carth Dookie posted:Please don't hug people. They won't thank you for it. Who the gently caress goes in for a hug expecting a "thank you" for it afterwards?
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:36 |
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Zodium posted:mazz during the BoB days Is mazz short for something else?
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:36 |
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Edit: It was something like "Mazzilliu" but I forget. Mazz had the best sig: the scripted one of "[xxxx] is a spy" that would insert your name.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:38 |
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Collateral posted:Is mazz short for something else? Mazziliu
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:39 |
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Ah ok, I had a good friend whom I played Planetarion (a text based internet spaceships game) with for a long time, I know he was in BoB. He went by a very similar name, probably somebody else.
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Collateral posted:Ah ok, I had a good friend whom I played Planetarion (a text based internet spaceships game) with for a long time, I know he was in BoB. He went by a very similar name, probably somebody else. Mazz was a she, so pretty likely a different person.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 11:55 |
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facultas posted:Alright, time to sit down and go through this. Hmm. Yase. Agreed.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:28 |
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Zodium posted:PL was basically a second-rate MC until they more or less absorbed our (then) org structure through our close work with anthonyz/shamis/mazz during the BoB days, and apparently then leveraged that sudden influx of Actual Organization to turn into elite lowsec goonfleet between then and now. they're probably still mostly pubbies though. This. Have an upvote.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:29 |
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Daco Vato posted:Wow that was a tough read. Not because it was "too long" (we'd be emptyquoting for the next three pages if I said some poo poo like that) but because it hurts to read. I really like Endie, and I mean a lot. I really like Sion a lot too. I have certainly enjoyed getting spacefat off of their hard work in helping to build us up. I don't have to pick a side here and won't. I will say after reading Sion's post that I felt really bad for him and wanted to give him a hug, and I'm not much of a hugger. It just seems like he's genuinely hurt by all of it - the wear of the road finally did get to him. I get that's why he left, but to have him come out and say those things now... I wish he hadn't done that here. I wish he'd kept that private or at the most between him and a few other select folks - Endie included. We didn't all need to read that pile of dirty laundry. +++
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:30 |
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you totally wont read it because its so bitter and untrue but you feel the need to post on reddit about which parts are lies and which snippet is wrong ( also about how apparently gsf cant let this poo poo go, but sion puts in an effortpost once and youve been sniping since you left) is it wrong or is it too long to read
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:39 |
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Crossposting from the other EVE-thread since this one is more active:Libluini posted:For those of you with an active subscription or planning to get one before midnight today CCP has revealed the last gift for those who can hold an active subscription from now until the November-expansion drops:
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:50 |
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"TopGoon[555 posted:" post="464320930"] thx m8
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 12:53 |
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nice reddit thread, pl had to use their bat phone sad
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Collateral posted:Ah ok, I had a good friend whom I played Planetarion (a text based internet spaceships game) with for a long time, I know he was in BoB. Sweet, what alliance did you play in?
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Endie posted:Its pretty bad when you spend all day hammering out a huge diatribe about how that guy who you kept trying to promote was an awful person and even he just cannot bring himself to read it. This is pretty funny. You think you'd be better at this than this type of reply.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 13:11 |
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4th Horseman posted:like you dont owe the general public poo poo in response, or even sion endie did this endlessly when discussing stuff in illum/tsc, it was why i was really glad to see him go there's people you disagree with that arguing actually brings out legit issues and ideas get honed, then there was endie where arguing would only result in him trying to pull the "that you dont recognize how right i am means you are so dumb, you don't want to be dumb do you" in response to detailed critiques about why it was a bad idea
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That Works posted:This is pretty funny. You think you'd be better at this than this type of reply. endie is not a good poster he's a great writer, if he sits down and works on a post for a few hours it's going to be good, but if he has to actually reply in real time then it gets baaaaaaaaaaaad
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evilweasel posted:endie is not a good poster Can confirm this is true. It's even more pronounced in person.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 13:31 |
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facultas posted:Can confirm this is true. It's even more pronounced in person. Can also confirm I've always hated that sh*tbag
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 13:36 |
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I hate literally everyone who has led the fleet to where it is (except dbrb). gently caress delve, gently caress youuuuuuu.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 13:37 |
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Thuneral posted:I hate literally everyone who has led the fleet to where it is (except dbrb). gently caress delve, gently caress youuuuuuu. delve was a cool + good decision fight me
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nex posted:Sweet, what alliance did you play in? hmm non of the top top alliances, nobody in r1 (I think our galaxy was 9:22), -=42=- r2 -> Howling Rain -> Wolf Pack -> Syn_Sid's new thing after Fury, went there with Mazzelaar, but left that to start a newbie Alliance called SiN. Good times. Yourself?
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facultas posted:Alright, time to sit down and go through this. This is all true. In many ways the advancement of GSF has been bottlenecked by my growth as a leader; there are certain eras of drama which in hindsight are hilarious/lovely/totally avoidable if I'd known more earlier. The Imperium is larger than most multinational corporations in the real world in terms of number of 'staff', so being the leader means confronting challenges that more typical player organizations never encounter. A lot of this comes down to gritty org poo poo that will bore everyone not in charge of providing entertainment to tens of thousands of people who have myriad interests and often conflicting ideas of fun, but I'm weird so I like this poo poo. (This is where either I'm too serious and hurf blurf yet I'm simultaneously a degenerate #luv2cluber who doesn't pay attention to anything but chasing tail, flip a coin) If I had known about deliverables in 2010 when I started CEOing it up, none of this Endie poo poo would have happened. I've gotten a lot better about setting boundaries and severing in general, the past few years. The arrival of The Deliverable (tm) was the thing Endie despised the most - Trello + actually being held accountable meant that no sidebar bullshit or effortposts could hide a lack of activity. To avoid the Deliverable (tm), he hurfed a tremendous amount of blurfs about crushing evil corporate bureaucracy and tried to bring the whole shebang down (SECRET SHAREHOLDERS IN TMC, CORPS JOINING GSF TO FUND TMC) because otherwise the total lack of doing-actual-work would have been exposed. The idea that membercorps in GSF should be also held accountable for minimum standards of activity and behavior was blasphemy. The deliverable came anyway, exposing a whole class of directors who felt entitled to the title or claimed they had been doing work for the common goon and were lying to themselves or to me. Endie wasn't the only casualty, there was a brutal shaking out where bullshit walked. Many of the loud 'you can't fire me I quits' came from this shakeup. The reality is simple: when tens of thousands of people are looking to the directorate to both protect their hobby while providing maximum entertainment to the most possible people, every directorate position filled by a do-nothing or a my-title-my-ego is literally a drag on the opportunities and success of the line member. A logistics director who doesn't fuel towers or won't adopt superior proven practices is a drain on every line member who could enjoy a rapid, effective logistics team with bridges and better towers, plus a drain on the military who cannot rely on optimal POS configurations. That's why a lot of 'oldschool' GSOL people (not actually oldschool) got shot. An intelligence director who doesn't do poo poo but post on reddit about how smart he is isn't managing agents, and when talent comes into the org and volunteers to do poo poo for the common good, that talent is wasted and burned out by not being handled and mentored by an intel director, which impacts every level of the org. Entitled directors who don't do their job and thus serve the line aren't merely an endless source of drama (as they do no work they have lots of free time to distract from the lack of work done or make excuses): they are literally hurting every aspect of the organization they are supposed to be managing by failing to fulfil their duties and thus hurting the line members, which are the very people and purpose the directorate exists to serve. The other big org thing that would have nuked all Endies had I known about it was banning/discouraging sidebar dialogues as he exists pretty much exclusively in sidebars (see his Xander pastebins, etc). In case Videogames really, really wanted to hear from me, the most exciting books on my reading list this past year include such page-turners as 'Managing Humans', 'The Lean Startup', 'Start With Why' and 'High Output Management'. I'm the life of the loving party. Numismancer fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Numismancer posted:The other big org thing that would have nuked all Endies had I known about it was banning/discouraging sidebar dialogues as he exists pretty much exclusively in sidebars (see his Xander pastebins, etc). this stuff right here is the worst; it's pernicious as hell and i've had to become downright venomous to people trying to sidebar me in illum in order to get them to stop, so i was very happy to see a strong stance taken on it and it's drastically improved my "quality of life" in the org
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 14:10 |
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Man why do people take spaceships so seriously idgi
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 14:12 |
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Massasoit posted:Man why do people take spaceships so seriously idgi The thing about Eve is that it's rarely about the spaceships. It's about the people.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 14:18 |
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Endie posted:Edit: It was something like "Mazzilliu" but I forget. It was a forum title, not a sig. CentraSpike's used to be %t loves Kpop! "Endie leaving GSF was mostly unnoticed by GSF" yet we've not shutup about it since it happened.
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Fix Lag posted:The emergency escape plan for Bat Country jumping ship to PL was around as far back as when I was in Bat, so 2012 sounds about right. I would like to hear more about this.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 14:20 |
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CainFortea posted:The thing about Eve is that it's rarely about the spaceships. It's about the people. Yea but like it's actually about spaceships and people need to get over themselves. This is my hot take. Let's just be friends
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 14:20 |
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Massasoit posted:Yea but like it's actually about spaceships and people need to get over themselves. i disagree eve is a lovely spaceship game, but it is an excellent hatred simulator and that is why i like it
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Helicon One posted:I would like to hear more about this. To be fair this is the stance of literally everyone in GSF.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 14:21 |
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Helicon One posted:I would like to hear more about this. What's odd is, I always thought BAT joining PL was more of a 'I couldn't think of a reason to say no' thing from Elise than a 'we absolutely must poach those BAT dudes' Jeff thing.
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Xolve posted:What's odd is, I always thought BAT joining PL was more of a 'I couldn't think of a reason to say no' thing from Elise than a 'we absolutely must poach those BAT dudes' Jeff thing. At the height of the pastebin drama a person from PL pinged me on skype and asked if we'd be interested. I didn't approach PL, because for all that we joked about it for years I didn't think that they'd take a gsf corp.
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