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honestly if you're that committed to suicide you should probably have a back up in case you just end up crippled if it fails
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Jose posted:honestly if you're that committed to suicide you should probably have a back up in case you just end up crippled if it fails any time a reliable and humane suicide method appears the state does its best to remove it from the public old fashioned ovens, barbituates, now the regulation and forced admixture of noble gasses insulin's still about tho but you do tend to fail and get brain damage then wake up
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Sep 19, 2016 15:07
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I mean it would have to be motivated by self harm more than just suicide surely? There's a 1000 other ways to kill yourself that aren't as horrific.
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Sep 19, 2016 15:08
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The most reliable way to commit suicide is to be a democratically elected socialist within range of the US
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Sep 19, 2016 15:08
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That euthanasia guy in Australia recommends nitrogen gas as a painless way for the terminally ill to die. That's got to be a shitload easier to both purchase and administer than hydrofluoric acid up the butt.
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Sep 19, 2016 15:08
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Guavanaut posted:That euthanasia guy in Australia recommends nitrogen gas as a painless way for the terminally ill to die. noble gasses in the UK must contain enough oxygen to make this not work or be under sale of liscence only I mean it's technically possible and if you brew beer it'd be available but after a spike in helium and nitrogen suicides circa 2012 the UK mandated the above.
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Sep 19, 2016 15:09
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Helium too. e:fb
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Sep 19, 2016 15:09
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There's also the charcoal burning method that is popular in Asian countries but not so much here. Same basic principle as noble gas.
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Sep 19, 2016 15:09
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Ddraig posted:There's also the charcoal burning method that is popular in Asian countries but not so much here. Same basic principle as noble gas. Does that just produce monoxide? Co2 is a horrific way to go, noble gasses aren't registered as a problem by the body
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Sep 19, 2016 15:11
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Guavanaut posted:That euthanasia guy in Australia recommends nitrogen gas as a painless way for the terminally ill to die. ohio i think uses nitrogen gas chambers for executions. would using one of these for euthanasia be acceptable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiJpw8isyCg
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Sep 19, 2016 15:12
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Getting arrested by the police as a diabetic is a good one, too
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Sep 19, 2016 15:12
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Jumping off something really tall I'd imagine would have to be a lot easier to do psychologically than administering acid up the clacker.
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Sep 19, 2016 15:12
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Regarde Aduck posted:It penetrates right through multiples tissue layers right down to your skeleton. I don't mean it dissolves down to those levels, it's more that it soaks through. Then it starts to damage things. It's this deep penetration and delayed action that makes it so dangerous. You get some on your hand and don't immediately do something then it is going to do tissue damage right down to the bone and you won't even know anything is happening. So yeah, up the bum bum means it's going to soak all through the intestinal tissue and into the layers beyond and then you're going to get pockets of necrotic tissue. The calcium leaching thing is just another thing on top of all this. It actually poisons you via calcifying your blood. While your necrotic tissue falls off the bone. This reminds me of the cheerful story of Karen Wetterhahn, a chemistry professor who got a few drops of dimethylmercury on her hands during an experiment. Fortunately she was wearing gloves. Unfortunately it was not understood at the time that dimethylmercury could soak through latex gloves, and they weren't enough to protect her. She ended up dying slowing over a period of months due to being poisoned by a few drops of liquid. MikeCrotch fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Sep 19, 2016 |
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Hydrofluoric acid up the buttpipe sounds more like some dude trying a really stupid 'detox' 'deep cleanse' miracle 'cure' malarky and getting more than he bargained for. Some people are just stupid.
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Tesseraction posted:Hydrofluoric acid up the buttpipe sounds more like some dude trying a really stupid 'detox' 'deep cleanse' miracle 'cure' malarky and getting more than he bargained for. you need access to HF to do this as well as the fact he was coked up when he did it suggest thats unlikely
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Tesseraction posted:Hydrofluoric acid up the buttpipe sounds more like some dude trying a really stupid 'detox' 'deep cleanse' miracle 'cure' malarky and getting more than he bargained for. I mean the guy was coked up it's really more like to be this Jose posted:you need access to HF to do this as well as the fact he was coked up when he did it suggest thats unlikely who the hell is going to take coke to kill themselves in any way other than death by cop? it seems a strange drug choice
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Jumping off something really tall I'd imagine would have to be a lot easier to do psychologically than administering acid up the clacker. Nah a guy I knew at school jumped off the top of a multi-story carpark for a fiver. Only did his legs in for a few years.
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Spangly A posted:noble gasses in the UK must contain enough oxygen to make this not work or be under sale of liscence only  That's the loving dumbest thing ever.The whole point of nitrogen and argon for welding is to stop oxygen loving things up, so now you need a license just to buy welding gas? Or risk a dangerous accident. But hey, at least if something went really wrong it would be an accidental death/horrible burning, not a terminally ill person choosing to end their life.  I guess propane would work just as well as the noble gasses. See if the government is loving dumb enough to mandate propane tanks contain 10% oxygen. e: To clarify, for asphyxiation, not for an inert blanket in welding. That would be a terrible idea. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Sep 19, 2016 |
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Jose posted:you need access to HF to do this as well as the fact he was coked up when he did it suggest thats unlikely Coked up dude in a lab: "Duuuude, my rear end is like. FILTHY, I'mma scrub it w/ acid"
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Sep 19, 2016 15:15
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MikeCrotch posted:This reminds me of the cheerful story of Karen Wetterhahn, a chemistry professor who got a few drops of dimethylmercury on her hands during an experiment. Fortunately she was wearing gloves. this was proposed as a rocket fuel at one point during the 60/70s
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Tesseraction posted:Nah a guy I knew at school jumped off the top of a multi-story carpark for a fiver. Only did his legs in for a few years. Yeah, trying to kill yourself with blunt force or sharp instruments or even gunshots is iffy at best. The human body is hellish resistant to trauma, almost as if designed by a malevolent god willing to wring every last drop of misery from us before we expire.
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Guavanaut posted:
Just throwing it out there that welding isn't the kind of thing Jonny B. Casual decides to take up for a day and then drop.
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Guavanaut posted:
I'm not entirely sure how they work it. I'd imagine it's more along the lines of the sales license making you responsible if someone tells you they're welding and ends it. I'm pretty sure you've already spoken itt about the dumbing down of chemistry regulations, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually registration-to-buy now. At Uni I could never get hold of any loving reagents and out of boredom we ended up trying to make LSD out of morning glory flowers. Kinda worked, not great tho. Guavanaut posted:I guess propane would work just as well as the noble gasses. See if the government is loving dumb enough to mandate propane tanks contain 10% oxygen. You know full well they are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwylBRucU7w
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TomViolence posted:Yeah, trying to kill yourself with blunt force or sharp instruments or even gunshots is iffy at best. The human body is hellish resistant to trauma, almost as if designed by a malevolent god willing to wring every last drop of misery from us before we expire. this guy had to shoot himself twice in the head to commit suicide the fact he upset the CIA is just coincidental
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Any old fanny can and will up and decide to do some welding. Without a mask, or apron, or any other kind of safety provision. My grandad blinded himself for a whole day once doing just that. Didn't tell anyone he was blinded at the time, mind. We only found out the next morning when his sight had returned.
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Guavanaut posted:
Seriously what the gently caress is the sense in buying bottled nitrogen if it's only 20% more pure than the loving atmosphere?
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TomViolence posted:Any old fanny can and will up and decide to do some welding. Without a mask, or apron, or any other kind of safety provision. My grandad blinded himself for a whole day once doing just that. Didn't tell anyone he was blinded at the time, mind. We only found out the next morning when his sight had returned. He sounds like a real bright spark.
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Tesseraction posted:Just throwing it out there that welding isn't the kind of thing Jonny B. Casual decides to take up for a day and then drop. The other types, like oxy-acetylene, it makes good sense to have some kind of license, like "how would you store this tank of ridiculous gas?" MIG/TIG is more "read instructions carefully, put on safety equipment, make a horrible beady mess for the first couple of tries" and I'm sure there's a ton of them in the countryside sitting barely used.
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Pissflaps posted:He sounds like a real bright spark. 
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Sep 19, 2016 15:23
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Spangly A posted:Does that just produce monoxide? Co2 is a horrific way to go, noble gasses aren't registered as a problem by the body I guess it's the same basic principle as the hosepipe in the exhaust in that it produces carbon monoxide which will take the place of oxygen. Allegedly it's a painless method because regardless of the amount of oxygen the body will always prefer CO and unconsciousness is quick. Anyway, the hosed up thing with the noble gas mixes is that they allegedly aren't actually enough to actually keep someone alive, at least not in a state without permanent brain damage. So assuming people stick to it they either have a horrific death because CO2 causes the panic response which noble gases do not, or you survive but might aswell be dead.
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Guavanaut posted:Nah, but MIG/TIG welding is about the easiest type to use, and about the only type of welder that I can imagine an odd-jobber having and using, and that's the type that requires inert gas tanks. I have a feeling that small tanks are probably allowed to not have oxygen in them. By all means have me lol at how loving dumb our government are but I'm assuming it's just anything bigger than a mini fire extinguisher isn't allowed to be sold except under licence?
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Ddraig posted:
Yeah 80/20 won't keep you alive in any way you'd want to be, it was a terrible loving decision.
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TomViolence posted:Any old fanny can and will up and decide to do some welding. Without a mask, or apron, or any other kind of safety provision. My grandad blinded himself for a whole day once doing just that. Didn't tell anyone he was blinded at the time, mind. We only found out the next morning when his sight had returned. Did he fill you in on the ants constantly crawling over his eyeballs for the next couple of days too?
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Sep 19, 2016 15:36
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Thread is pretty dark today.
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tooterfish posted:Arceye is great. He was stoic throughout, absolutely dedicated to denying that he'd in any way hosed up or made a mistake. Truly, the greatest generation.
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Spangly A posted:enoble gasses in the UK must contain enough oxygen to make this not work or be under sale of liscence only a guy i knew at school killed himself with helium 
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Guavanaut posted:Nah, but MIG/TIG welding is about the easiest type to use, and about the only type of welder that I can imagine an odd-jobber having and using, and that's the type that requires inert gas tanks. Yeah, the most likely damage you're going to cause with any kind of arc welding is to your own eyesight (or to cheap electronics in your possession), and when it's turned off the most dangerous thing about them is how loving pointy the edges of them usually are. Acetylene, however, wants you and all of your neighbours dead, and will silently plot to make this happen even while you're nowhere near it and have engaged every possible safety measure. It can wait. It knows how to wait. Eventually you'll make a mistake.
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XMNN posted:a guy i knew at school killed himself with helium That sucks. It's a shame he didn't get the help he needed. I don't actually think it's a bad idea to keep easy methods of suicide out of a normal household environment I just find it hypocritical to claim any society is liberal without the right to say "nah mate, gently caress you" if you have a terminal illness or just cba with mental health care like ours.
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getting hit by a train is very effective for suicide but extremely selfish due to traumatising the driver and inconveniencing everyone by having the line closed
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Has everyone been listening to Nick Cave's new album or something?
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