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bad boy in the boy band posted:Counterpoint: gently caress YOU. About the only lovely things about this state are our government, the weather from October to April, and smug Brewers fans making snarky remarks about not putting a roof on Target Field.
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Infidel Castro posted:About the only lovely things about this state are our government, the weather from October to April, and smug Brewers fans making snarky remarks about not putting a roof on Target Field. And the fact that it's full of Packer fans.
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Wisconsin, like many other states, is a rich tapestry of people, places and things that range from extremely cool to extremely lovely. Generally speaking, I've found its coolness to outrank its shittiness, thus declaring it a mostly cool place. Thanks for reading!
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TMMadman posted:And the fact that it's full of Packer fans. This is a check in the "awesome" column. At least you're cool during baseball season. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 00:26
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Illinois more than 40 miles outside of Chicago is the worst I met a woman from rural Illinois this weekend and her town sounded like it was the inspiration for Footloose.
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this is a really great photo. very painterly. and darwin barney looks like fuckin harry potter
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The Walrus posted:this is a really great photo. very painterly. and darwin barney looks like fuckin harry potter I like Lucroy suddenly realising he should have gone to Cleveland after all.
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Oct 13, 2016 00:46
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I can't really complain about Bruce Bochy's pitching matchups not working because none of the Giants' relief pitchers were very good. For most of the entire season the only decent pitcher was Derek Law, and he was young and inconsistent for stretches (and got injured right when Casilla was making GBS threads the bed and we needed a new closer). Every pitcher in the bullpen had lost the trust of Bochy, and it's easy to see why- and this is a guy who keeps trusting "his guys" long after the fans have gone apoplectic. At the end Boch was desperately tinkering with the bullpen, hoping to squeeze a few more drops of blood from a stone that had long since dried out. There were a few reliever screwups in previous years, but Bochy could usually go to someone to fix it. Think game 5 of the 2014 NLCS, where Casilla loaded the bases in the ninth but Bochy used Affeldt to get him out of the jam. This year he none of the pitchers could be trusted with getting out of jams, and in fact couldn't be trusted not to get into jams. The Giants are in a very good position financially next year. The only Free Agents they're losing this year are dead money, the remaining "core four" bullpen arms (Casilla Romo, Lopez) whose struggles this year were a huge part of the bullpen collapse; Peavy, who is the coolest guy ever but no longer a starting MLB pitcher; and Pagan, who had a great rebound year offensively but whose defense and injury history leave a lot to be desired. Meanwhile there will be a number of top tier closers on the market, and the Giants can rebuild their bullpen without even dealing with that fucker Chapman. Again, I can't fault anyone for the state of the bullpen. I (like the front office, presumably) thought we had enough bullpen depth to cobble together a league average bullpen. It turns out the right answer was to throw money at Andrew Miller, back in 2014.  Anyway, everyone knows now the correct answer going forward is to ask Melancon and Janssen how much money they want and then give them an extra million, so the FO has no excuses.TL;DR: I'm a big sad Boch apologist
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Senf posted:My office (in San Francisco) has been soooooo quiet today. Sydin posted:Between the Giants implosion and the 11 hour odyssey that was my team's workday last night, roughly 2/3rds of my co-workers have apparently just decided not to show up today. The office is absolutely deserted and it's bliss I am hopeful this is a sign that a first taste of playoff failure will shed enough of the fair-weather folk off the fanbase that I can finally go out and buy a new Giants cap without looking and feeling like a complete bandwagoneering fair weather tool who waited . My current one is too small and has been for years but  if I was going to run out and get a replacement in 2011 or since alongside all the Johnny Come Latelys buying their first Giants hat.
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Mister Perky posted:I am hopeful this is a sign that a first taste of playoff failure will shed enough of the fair-weather folk off the fanbase that I can finally go out and buy a new Giants cap without looking and feeling like a complete bandwagoneering fair weather tool who waited . Please tell me you're not being serious here, I can never tell.
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Infidel Castro posted:I like Lucroy suddenly realising he should have gone to Cleveland after all. Even a chance to go to the world series isn't worth playing in Cleveland for.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I can't really complain about Bruce Bochy's pitching matchups not working because none of the Giants' relief pitchers were very good. For most of the entire season the only decent pitcher was Derek Law, and he was young and inconsistent for stretches (and got injured right when Casilla was making GBS threads the bed and we needed a new closer). Every pitcher in the bullpen had lost the trust of Bochy, and it's easy to see why- and this is a guy who keeps trusting "his guys" long after the fans have gone apoplectic. At the end Boch was desperately tinkering with the bullpen, hoping to squeeze a few more drops of blood from a stone that had long since dried out. Bochy needs no apologist. He is still literally the best Giants manager since John McGraw. Not that I officially  ed myself on these forums but after 2012 I made a vow to myself and publicly elsewhere that I had (and all Giants fans should) forever forswear any complaints about Bochy's managing or Barry Zito's contract. I continue to generally hold to this. We're blessed and he's part of it and we should not take this golden age of Giants Baseball for granted.There was nobody out there who had three 9th Inning Outs in them all second half, disappointed but not surprised that proved true again last night, Bochy did his best to find three guys who at least had 1 out each in them but those guys aren't out there either right now. And, plus, I mean, The Cubs did win 103 Games, so it's not like the Giants choked against inferior competition here either.  Jeremy Affeldt was the unsung hero of Even Year Bullshit (2010 NLCS Game 6, 2014 WS Game 7, so many other key moments where he struck a guy out or induced a double play) and it turns out his retirement left a hole that was definitely not filled. And Casilla/Lopez/Romo held out for several years before finally turning back into pumpkins as all short relief specialists not named Mariano Rivera eventually must. It sucks that they were failures this year, but hey, we never hated on Timmy for not being able to pitch well anymore. Replace 'em but don't forget the good times they provided. Starting pitching is still solid and the offense is still capable of being "just good enough" come October so it's hard to get too down. EYBS is down but not necessarily out. Go Giants
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Derek Law was one of the best relievers in baseball by FIP and was pulled almost immediately for increasingly inferior pitching options. Bochy has blame in this. 5 pitchers, 24 pitches. Come on man.
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Inspector_666 posted:Please tell me you're not being serious here, I can never tell. I am being about 99% facetious (and I'm overselling the "too small" aspect. It's fine, just more snug than my others). TECHNICALLY that thought did cross my mind after the 2010 series but it was with a wink and a nudge. It's really more due to me being lazy and/or buying a new cap is a low priority because I don't wear ballcaps very often anyway. Just went for a fun bullshit internet narrative and apparently fell short just like my team of choice!
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lovely starters get way better when they only have to pitch 1 inning, imagine how hard they could throw if they only had to throw 5 pitches!
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Mister Perky posted:I am being about 99% facetious (and I'm overselling the "too small" aspect. It's fine, just more snug than my others). Oh cool, I've just been going off on rants about people who get mad about "bandwagon fans" lately for some reason and hoped there was an excuse to do it here, too.
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How dare anyone get interested in a team for succeeding. Now excuse me while I go back to complaining that the game is failing to attract a younger audience.
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Spoeank posted:Derek Law was one of the best relievers in baseball by FIP and was pulled almost immediately for increasingly inferior pitching options. Bochy has blame in this. 5 pitchers, 24 pitches. Come on man. Last year Javier Lopez was lights out, and I don't think Bochy ever really adjusted to not having him be that guy this year.
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Neither Lopez nor Osich becoming the LOOGY the Giants needed was a big part of the bullpen disaster.
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New Concept Hole posted:How dare anyone get interested in a team for succeeding. Now excuse me while I go back to complaining that the game is failing to attract a younger audience. Right? People are literally mad that nobody liked a team when they were terrible. I would argue that the non-"bandwagon" fans are actually the dumb ones.
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Spoeank posted:Derek Law was one of the best relievers in baseball by FIP and was pulled almost immediately for increasingly inferior pitching options. Bochy has blame in this. 5 pitchers, 24 pitches. Come on man. I could be dead wrong and it's a dumb what if scenario, but I'd bet good money that if Bochy had just let Law keep going after that single, he would have been able to cobble together three outs before giving up four (or even three) runs. It's not like he gave up a hit to a reliever or anything, it was Kris loving Bryant, the presumptive NL MVP, and all he did was bloop in a single. Generally to succeed relievers need a little bit more rope than literally none at all. Not to mention that Maddon had just tried to quick hook strategy the very last game in the 8th and it completely blew up in his face. You'd think it'd be fresh in the mind.
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Bochy did a lot of poo poo that didn't work for no real reason I guess, but Crawford should 100% be the goat of that game
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TheChaosPath posted:Bochy did a lot of poo poo that didn't work for no real reason I guess, but Crawford should 100% be the goat of that game Crawford got screwed on an insane ground rule and I still can't figure out why Pence didn't score there.
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I mean if we're hindsighting, why not just leave Moore in the game
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Why even play the ninth inning there Just ask the Cubs if they want to go home. I mean they may say no but it couldn't be less effective than what they tried
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wyoak posted:I mean if we're hindsighting, why not just leave Moore in the game He'd thrown 120 pitches already, he's coming off TJ surgery, and if you can't depend on your bullpen to get three outs with a three run lead you aren't going to the World Series anyway.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I can't really complain about Bruce Bochy's pitching matchups not working because none of the Giants' relief pitchers were very good. For most of the entire season the only decent pitcher was Derek Law, and he was young and inconsistent for stretches (and got injured right when Casilla was making GBS threads the bed and we needed a new closer). Fangraphs claims that Will Smith is decent, are they wrong?
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Patrick Spens posted:Fangraphs claims that Will Smith is decent, are they wrong? Will Smith is a perfectly reasonable dude to have in one's bullpen and use in actual baseball games if that's what you're asking
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Patrick Spens posted:Fangraphs claims that Will Smith is decent, are they wrong? It's hard to say since he pitched so little.  He had a few bad outings which meant Bochy moved him to the rear of the procession behind the other lefties, which is how you end up with New Concept Hole fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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R.D. Mangles posted:Crawford got screwed on an insane ground rule and I still can't figure out why Pence didn't score there. Pence scored when the very next batter singled, and Crawford scored on a sac fly the batter after that. So it's not like that was the difference in the game.
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Hot Take: Bochy is a good manager N:The Cubs didn't lose V: Nate Silver posted:As our editor in chief — and former Chicago resident — Nate Silver remarked Tuesday night, this Cubs team was too good to lose in the Division Series, not only baseball-wise but also because a loss this early in the playoffs wouldn’t be painful enough to fit the franchise’s narrative of suffering and disappointment.
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Goodpancakes posted:Hot Take: Bochy is a good manager Yeah, Nate definitely gets it. In other news, I actually get to be in the country for my first postseason game today! I won't get to watch it because I'll be driving home, but I'm taking this small victory for what it is.
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Patrick Spens posted:Fangraphs claims that Will Smith is decent, are they wrong? Oh yeah I forgot about Smith since he was never used all that much, I think. He's probably decent at least.
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Spoeank posted:Why even play the ninth inning there If the Cubs are anything like their fans, they would have taken the loss due to its inevitability.
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Sydin posted:I could be dead wrong and it's a dumb what if scenario, but I'd bet good money that if Bochy had just let Law keep going after that single, he would have been able to cobble together three outs before giving up four (or even three) runs. It's not like he gave up a hit to a reliever or anything, it was Kris loving Bryant, the presumptive NL MVP, and all he did was bloop in a single. Generally to succeed relievers need a little bit more rope than literally none at all. Hey, I"m not complaining. But yeah, Bochy was WAY too quick with the hook there. I understand having a pitcher face only one hitter if it's a LOOGY situation or something like that, but 5 pitchers for 6 hitters is completely ridiculous. I'm glad we won, but I"m almost curious what he would have had to do if the game had gone to extras. Overall, though, I think Bochy is still a great manager and will end up in the HOF. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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TheChaosPath posted:Will Smith is a perfectly reasonable dude to have in one's bullpen and use in actual baseball games if that's what you're asking I know we had 2 big hits against him late in games that led to wins (NLDS Game 4, and Rizzo's 3-run double July 24th in Milwaukee).
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Hey, I"m not complaining. But yeah, Bochy was WAY too quick with the hook there. I understand having a pitcher face only one hitter if it's a LOOGY situation or something like that, but 5 pitchers for 6 hitters is completely ridiculous. I'm glad we won, but I"m almost curious what he would have had to do if the game had gone to extras. Bochy in this NLDS reminds me of Bobby Cox in his later NLDS series when the teams he was managing were not nearly as good as his earlier teams.
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Infidel Castro posted:About the only lovely things about this state are our government, the weather from October to April, and smug Brewers fans making snarky remarks about not putting a roof on Target Field. lol if u don't luv snow and also watching ppl crash their cars in snow.
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tadashi posted:Bochy in this NLDS reminds me of Bobby Cox in his later NLDS series when the teams he was managing were not nearly as good as his earlier teams. Bochy gets a ton of credit for being a ~great bullpen manager~ but when you have a great bullpen + madbum as a world series capper that's easy. He just flopped around in game four. Sending out Lopez was utter garbage because Bochy doesn't realize that maybe 39 year old Javier Lopez doesn't quite have the same skill level anymore, as evidenced by his ERA that was 2.5 times higher than last year
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