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Nebalebadingdong posted:you don't have to LISTEN to their dumbshit racist prattle. you fight for justice for them! unconditionally and without mercy! donald trump carried the rust belt by simply threatening rich property owners that would outsource their jobs. i mean, goddamn, no wonder he didn't need a ground game. Yeah, I didn't say I want them to suffer for their lovely beliefs, there is after all a very slim outside chance that if their life gets better they'll realize they don't need to trample everyone different from them just to get a leg up. I'm not attempting to argue electoral strategy the day after an election that is supremely lovely for me and those I care about. I just would like to not have people trying to say poor rural whites are the ones who need empathy from leftists, especially not marginalized ones, right now. It is cool if you're not saying that in any way, I'm angry at that particular sentiment but not at any particular poster including you.
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I just want to say it again, but Bernie Sanders was always the better candidate, it was literally the DNC's election to lose and yet here we are
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Grammaton posted:Will the GOP in Congress actually cooperate with all the crazy things Trump wants to do on Day 1, or will they fight him on many of them? I forsee a civil war in the GOP for the coming 4 years.
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oswald ownenstein posted:This thread is a literal salt mine. They're throwing everything out - racist, homophobe, you're a piece of poo poo for supporting Trump, voter suppression, white people are evil - it's loving wonderful Ownensteined
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Recoome posted:I just want to say it again, but Bernie Sanders was always the better candidate, it was literally the DNC's election to lose and yet here we are This too Every Bernie toxx loser should get a free account or upgrade plus an exclusive gold gang tag that says "told you so"
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oswald ownenstein posted:This thread is a literal salt mine. They're throwing everything out - racist, homophobe, you're a piece of poo poo for supporting Trump, voter suppression, white people are evil - it's loving wonderful lmao i am not a trump supporter friend, I mean there are trump supporters who are all of those things (especially the piece of poo poo thing) but like we shouldn't lose focus that Clinton didn't really engage with the disenfranchisement, and therefore lost to Trump (lol) Populism is, by definition, popular.
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Grammaton posted:Will the GOP in Congress actually cooperate with all the crazy things Trump wants to do on Day 1, or will they fight him on many of them? I forsee a civil war in the GOP for the coming 4 years. Most of the crazy things Trump wants to do are things they want to do, they just didn't like him being quite so open about it. The things they're not too on board with? Well, it didn't stop them voting for him to actually get into office, so... oswald ownenstein posted:This thread is a literal salt mine. They're throwing everything out - racist, homophobe, you're a piece of poo poo for supporting Trump, voter suppression, white people are evil - it's loving wonderful All true, yes. So, tell me about partial birth abortion.
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:This too Why are Sanders supporters so happy they got crushed by apparently the worst Democratic candidate in history?
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Doctor Butts posted:Why are Sanders supporters so happy they got crushed by apparently the worst Democratic candidate in history? not in the US, but it seems that Bernie was extremely popular and it was more the DNC establishment who wanted Clinton as the candidate, rather than what the people wanted. And like lol if the people wanted Clinton, then Clinton supporters right now would be smugging it up that they were right all along.
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Recoome posted:I just want to say it again, but Bernie Sanders was always the better candidate, it was literally the DNC's election to lose and yet here we are I've seen lots of arguments here that Bernie couldn't have won, and it's simply not true. If you canvassed for him, if you called, you'd have heard the hate for Hillary Clinton from rust belt democrats. Not independents, not republicans, democrats. It was about every 3rd call - they weren't even polite, they needed to rant, and it was just pure hatred for Clinton. ~100k votes in 3 states lost it.
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Doctor Butts posted:Why are Sanders supporters so happy they got crushed by apparently the worst Democratic candidate in history? Because WE TOLD YOU SO. Your question only makes sense if you're completely ignorant of how the primary worked.
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Doctor Butts posted:Why are Sanders supporters so happy they got crushed by apparently the worst Democratic candidate in history? Being crushed by a corrupt machine is considered a noble sacrifice When that same machine is destroyed by its own choices that's a bitter satisfaction
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Doctor Butts posted:Why are Sanders supporters so happy they got crushed by apparently the worst Democratic candidate in history? feel free to convince yourself that this is an accurate narrative.
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And before I get any poo poo, yes I canvassed for Clinton as well. The hate on the other end of the line didn't subside.
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Fansy posted:I've seen lots of arguments here that Bernie couldn't have won, and it's simply not true. Yeah obviously (in retrospect) the NAFTA issue was a bigger deal than most gave it credit for.
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Recoome posted:not in the US, but it seems that Bernie was extremely popular and it was more the DNC establishment who wanted Clinton as the candidate, rather than what the people wanted. Bernie was very popular, but Hillary was moreso in the primary. That's why she won. There were hijinks with the DNC being buddy buddy with Hillary and not particularly caring for Bernie, and the media going 'Bernie who?', but I doubt that makes up any of the difference in what he lost. I voted for Bernie, I like him. A few of his diehard supporters are pretty hilariously poo poo though, and they really really want you to know it.
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Tiny Deer posted:Hmm why would people who didn't want Trump to win be sad that Sanders was crushed by a biased machine that blatantly engineered a Clinton primary win hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Racism and misogyny dude this isn't hard try and keep up!
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Being crushed by a corrupt machine is considered a noble sacrifice Maybe if Sanders supporters organized better and got more Democrats they would have taken the fight past Clinton to a huge victory over Trump but apparently it's all a conspiracy, man. How can anyone take that type of person seriously when they give up the fight so easily?
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kartikeya posted:Bernie was very popular, but Hillary was moreso in the primary. That's why she won. There were hijinks with the DNC being buddy buddy with Hillary and not particularly caring for Bernie, and the media going 'Bernie who?', but I doubt that makes up any of the difference in what he lost. I voted for Bernie, I like him. A few of his diehard supporters are pretty hilariously poo poo though, and they really really want you to know it. Lol if this is real
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Doctor Butts posted:Maybe if Sanders supporters organized better and got more Democrats they would have taken the fight past Clinton to a huge victory over Trump but apparently it's all a conspiracy, man. lol
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Recoome posted:not in the US, but it seems that Bernie was extremely popular and it was more the DNC establishment who wanted Clinton as the candidate, rather than what the people wanted. Hillary had too much institutional advantage and name recognition for Bernie to overcome. EVeryone who voted for Hillary in the primaries had made up their mind to do so in 2008. He only had a few months to overcome a lead she spent decades building. Her dominance in the primary was inevitable once Biden bowed out.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hillary had too much institutional advantage and name recognition for Bernie to overcome. EVeryone who voted for Hillary in the primaries had made up their mind to do so in 2008. He only had a few months to overcome a lead she spent decades building. In many key states it was pretty much impossible since you had to register as a democrat months in advance, sometimes even before his campaign had started. And even then he lost by tiny margins
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Keep in mind too, Ohio, PA, Michigan, and Wisconsin don't have huge Latino and Muslim populations outside of a few urban pockets. So the racism Trump espoused during the election doesn't register to them. These people aren't their friends or neighbors or coworkers. They're some imaginary faraway people. And when it comes to voting between potentially making your life better or protecting some faraway imaginary people, they'll be selfish every time. In fact, most people would, white or black or Christian or Muslim or Latino or European.
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Women who are worried about affording birth control are being advised to get IUDs which last years.
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Doctor Butts posted:Maybe if Sanders supporters organized better and got more Democrats they would have taken the fight past Clinton to a huge victory over Trump but apparently it's all a conspiracy, man. Who gave up what? Do you mean the primary?
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Recoome posted:lol Did Clinton get more votes in the primary or not? Why was that? You think 'the machine' rigged all those votes for her?
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VirtualStranger posted:"Let me be very clear. In my view, Democrats will not retain the White House, will not regain the Senate, will not gain the House and will not be successful in dozens of governor’s races unless we run a campaign which generates excitement and momentum and which produces a huge voter turnout. B-but pragmatism! Incrementalist neoliberal policies is the only way forward!
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The Kingfish posted:What did Hillary offer college educated whites? Well, I'm not really sure of anything specifically for college-educated whites in particular -- I'm not exactly sure what would fit the bill -- but the 'free' tuition plan. Aside from that, the perception of stability.
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Recoome posted:I just want to say it again, but Bernie Sanders was always the better candidate, it was literally the DNC's election to lose and yet here we are What excellent insights, you should create a blog and make posts about your profound political thoughts that have been posted here 500 times and no one cares about Hope you enjoyed this run-on sentence
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Mahoning posted:Keep in mind too, Ohio, PA, Michigan, and Wisconsin don't have huge Latino and Muslim populations outside of a few urban pockets. I don't yhink any state has huge muslim populations. And many of yhe states with the largest latino populations went to trump.
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Doctor Butts posted:Did Clinton get more votes in the primary or not? idk if you are just trolling or being facetious
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Lol if this is real Which bit? Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hillary had too much institutional advantage and name recognition for Bernie to overcome. EVeryone who voted for Hillary in the primaries had made up their mind to do so in 2008. He only had a few months to overcome a lead she spent decades building. Pretty much. He made a good run of it and he opened a lot of eyes by doing so, but he was never going to win that. Fair? Unfair? It's our stupid system, so welp. But it's pretty funny guys talking about salt who still aren't over the Democratic primary. I don't mean people going 'maybe Bernie could've done it', I mean people saying 'black people are responsible for Trump because they didn't vote for who I wanted them to'. Or the ones that ran to Johnson because ahahaha what.
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Scent of Worf posted:B-but pragmatism! Incrementalist neoliberal policies is the only way forward! Yeah this election I hope kills the neoliberal "left". Permanently. Why negotiate with the forces of Darkness?
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Recoome posted:I just want to say it again, but Bernie Sanders was always the better candidate, it was literally the DNC's election to lose and yet here we are I'm still pretty skeptical of this, even as a Sanders voter. It's not unlikely that with a Sanders nom, Bloomberg would have run and split the not-Trump vote.
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:I don't yhink any state has huge muslim populations. And many of yhe states with the largest latino populations went to trump. There are a lot of muslims in Detroit, I believe?
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PKJC posted:I just would like to not have people trying to say poor rural whites are the ones who need empathy from leftists, especially not marginalized ones, right now. It is cool if you're not saying that in any way, I'm angry at that particular sentiment but not at any particular poster including you. i understand you are angry. it is a lovely day for all of us, and its gonna be a lovely four years. i highlighted the keyword. there is no "THE" ones. solidarity must cut across all boundaries to be successful, or the coalition will fall apart. if we don't carry that standard, someone else will, and then we're all hosed.
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