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Prison break by rubbing your hand until it's sore, using the saw to cut something in half. Put it back so it's whole and escape through the hole.
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Elfface posted:Prison break by rubbing your hand until it's sore, using the saw to cut something in half. Put it back so it's whole and escape through the hole. That sore/saw tactic will only work in certain parts of the US
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Nov 22, 2016 15:53
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This is actually an explicit power in Demon: the Descent. You can learn an Exploit (read: big obvious magic power) called Play on Words that lets you alter reality based on the unintended (or intended) puns people make around you. With one special note to make it even stupider and more powerful. It works multilingually. Oh, btw, Demons speak every language that is alive and natively spoken by humans.
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Nov 22, 2016 16:01
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Mors Rattus posted:This is actually an explicit power in Demon: the Descent. You can learn an Exploit (read: big obvious magic power) called Play on Words that lets you alter reality based on the unintended (or intended) puns people make around you. That seems like it would be confusing to fight. "We have you now, villain!" "Why did our paladin just turn into a cat?" "Oh uh well there's this island language and in it the phrase for "we have" is close to the phrase for "I am" and "villain" or "fiend" is like "cat" and- look just assume you're screwed"
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Nov 22, 2016 16:11
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Taciturn Tactician posted:That seems like it would be confusing to fight. "We have you now, villain!" Well, like, Demon is a modern paranormal game. Using real-world languages. The game suggests, if you take this power, either having some translation dictionaries on hand or at least noting some key phrases that you feel will come up often.
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Nov 22, 2016 16:11
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Mors Rattus posted:Well, like, Demon is a modern paranormal game. Using real-world languages. Okay then "I'm the champion now" lets you turn the arena winner into fungus because it's a French pun, and that's gonna be pretty confusing for players who don't speak French.
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Nov 22, 2016 16:13
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Welcome to Demon!
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Nov 22, 2016 16:21
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Elfface posted:Prison break by rubbing your hand until it's sore, using the saw to cut something in half. Put it back so it's whole and escape through the hole.
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Nov 22, 2016 17:14
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Mors Rattus posted:This is actually an explicit power in Demon: the Descent. You can learn an Exploit (read: big obvious magic power) called Play on Words that lets you alter reality based on the unintended (or intended) puns people make around you. It's all well and good until you start playing with a Finn and suddenly everyone's milk has vipers in it.
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Nov 22, 2016 17:26
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Balance it with the victim has to understand the language the pun is in to have themself or their belongings affected. A pun shouldn't be painful unless you can understand it.
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Nov 22, 2016 17:43
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Elfface posted:Prison break by rubbing your hand until it's sore, using the saw to cut something in half. Put it back so it's whole and escape through the hole. You saw through the wall, granting you xray vision, making everyone you look at too long become cancerous, so theyll eventually die and that causes their hair to turn an unappealing shade of green
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Nov 22, 2016 17:56
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spectralent posted:Do I even want to know what sex ninjas are? Sex gods and sex fairies are a concept I'm familiar with but not sex ninjas. Ninjas who gently caress all the time, but they don't know how babies are made so Kvothe can gently caress all he wants to and not worry about kids because they won't connect any pregnancies to him.
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Nov 22, 2016 18:48
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Piell posted:Ninjas who gently caress all the time, but they don't know how babies are made so Kvothe can gently caress all he wants to and not worry about kids because they won't connect any pregnancies to him. That's way more boring than I was hoping in either direction.
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Nov 22, 2016 18:54
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spectralent posted:That's way more boring than I was hoping in either direction. Welcome to Rothfuss.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:05
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I am suddenly feeling validated in never wanting to read Name of the Wind.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:27
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Ronan Wills did an exhaustive, brutal, and hilarious Let's Read of Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear, which I found valuable just as a seminar in How Not To Do Writing, as well as entertaining in its own right. Thanks to forums user Thayet for linking me to it originally. I read both of them before deciding to jump off the train, showing some learning behavior from last time I read someone who couldn't resolve a plot point to save his life -- took me till book 8 of Wheel of Time to give up on that one. TLDR: It's self-involved garbage and even before the Felurian 'omg you are the Master Fucksmith of Legend' bit Kvothe is Best At Everything (archmage, fencer, rockstar, raconteur), also Misunderstood and Put Upon for his Obvious Greatness, of which everyone is Jealous. Kvothe's dreadful Gary Stu qualities aside, the storytelling commits a cardinal sin of starting with something actually kind of interesting (the bug-monster thing which is all Scary and Harbingery and whatnot) then never, ever getting back to it, instead diving up a fractally recursive rear end in a top hat of nested flashbacks and asides, none of which are as interesting as what we're not getting.
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Nov 22, 2016 22:29
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I feel like a fan of the series would probably tell me that Kvothe being the best at everything is so over-the-top because he's the narrator and he's exaggerating his own greatness but also, I don't really want to read that no matter what the justification is.
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Nov 22, 2016 23:20
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Harrow posted:I feel like a fan of the series would probably tell me that Kvothe being the best at everything is so over-the-top because he's the narrator and he's exaggerating his own greatness but also, I don't really want to read that no matter what the justification is. That's what some people have suggested except that even in his 'depowered' current state due to story shenanigans he's apparently still able to take on a group of monsters and win, while the narrator is being omniscient third-person rather than Kvothe.
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Nov 22, 2016 23:34
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I still think it's worth making your own judgements on the series, there's enough cool things in it that I'd say it's worth checking out if the books came out at any kind of reasonable pace and the various cool things bubbling up and foreshadowed had a chance of being resolved before the sun dies out. But then, I enoyed Name of the Wind a good deal, Wise Man's Fear not as much. I dunno, complaining about Kvothe being the best usually just reads to me as a criticism from someone whose whole exposure to fantasy fiction is bad fanfic and anime, where the main character being extraordinarily talented and skilled is just assumed to be a problem with no further thought, I mean he is the hero of the story, being talented and skilled is fine. I like to read about James Bond and Sherlock Holmes and the like, not every hero needs to be a Jimmy Shitfarmer. Rohan Kishibe fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 00:31
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There's nothing wrong with a dude just being good, I didn't mind Kvothe that much in the first book after all. But reading Wise Man's fear was a mistake
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Yeah, Name of the Wind, a bit of power fantasy fun. The second book... 
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Nov 23, 2016 01:23
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Arivia posted:Okay, now the Forgotten Realms stuff. Oh no no, Ed absolutely does not get off the hook for this one, given that he wrote many Dragon Magazine articles involving Elminster hanging out at his place drinking his beer, that I'm pretty sure go back to the '80s, but most definitely to 1992 at absolute latest. edit: drat, that's not even the first time I've had to correct you on this in this thread. I'm just some guy who read a bunch of old Dragons and I know this, what's your excuse for this lapse of knowledge, oh great Realms scholar? Parkreiner fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Parkreiner posted:Oh no no, Ed absolutely does not get off the hook for this one, given that he wrote many Dragon Magazine articles involving Elminster hanging out at his place drinking his beer, that I'm pretty sure go back to the '80s, but most definitely to 1992 at absolute latest. Yes, Ed has written a number of articles including himself and Elminster having a conversation, that's very true. I discussed those in the very post you quoted. I've found when people are talking about Elminster's secret hideout/"pocket dimension" like that they are referring to that terrible section of Realmspace, however. Elminster and Ed make plenty of asides in those columns, and do joke and poke fun at each other - that's part of the author as character technique that Ed adopted likely from the Divine Comedy. PS: The last Wizards Three article is in #344 for 3e.
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This is the second time you've done this in the last two pages so I'm calling you out on this : Are you actually making a comparison between Ed Greenwood and motherfucking Dante? Also I forgot that you whined about "people on the 3e optimization boards" not playing the game correctly for reading the rules and using 6th grade math. I don't like the D&D causes brain damage meme in general, but I'll say it again : what the gently caress is wrong with you?
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Rohan Kishibe posted:I still think it's worth making your own judgements on the series, there's enough cool things in it that I'd say it's worth checking out if the books came out at any kind of reasonable pace and the various cool things bubbling up and foreshadowed had a chance of being resolved before the sun dies out. But then, I enoyed Name of the Wind a good deal, Wise Man's Fear not as much. Having a character be hypercompetent isn't a bad thing in and of itself. It's when they're not challenged in any way that seems compelling or convincing of actual challenge to them and doesn't obtain victory (or defeat for that matter) through trivial bullshit, rear end pulls or general deus ex machina.
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Arivia posted:Yes, Ed has written a number of articles including himself and Elminster having a conversation, that's very true. I discussed those in the very post you quoted. I've found when people are talking about Elminster's secret hideout/"pocket dimension" like that they are referring to that terrible section of Realmspace, however. NGDBSS fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Lol at people who still don't have Arivia on ignore
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spectralent posted:Do I even want to know what sex ninjas are? Sex gods and sex fairies are a concept I'm familiar with but not sex ninjas.
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Xelkelvos posted:Having a character be hypercompetent isn't a bad thing in and of itself. It's when they're not challenged in any way that seems compelling or convincing of actual challenge to them and doesn't obtain victory (or defeat for that matter) through trivial bullshit, rear end pulls or general deus ex machina. The impression I got from the first book is that Kvothe is a highly unreliable narrator and all the times he was totally awesome you guys should be taken with a considerable amount of salt. I wasn't interested enough to read the second book.
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I like the books. I'm a fan of the prose style, and also note that many of the complaints I hear regularly are flat-out false and/or misleading as all hell. And while I would love to have a big grognard argument about it, I think it would accomplish nothing AND be counter to the point of the thread. In addition, I have no Murphys that have not been covered in the thread already so I guess we'll just have to wait for a Rothfuss-written tabletop RPG system to come out.
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John Lee posted:I like the books. I'm a fan of the prose style, and also note that many of the complaints I hear regularly are flat-out false and/or misleading as all hell. And while I would love to have a big grognard argument about it, I think it would accomplish nothing AND be counter to the point of the thread. In addition, I have no Murphys that have not been covered in the thread already so I guess we'll just have to wait for a Rothfuss-written tabletop RPG system to come out. You know what else would accomplish nothing? Posting about how you're not going to post about something. In 3.x, there was a list of acceptable bard performances to use bardic music quote:While these abilities fall under the category of bardic music and the descriptions discuss singing or playing instruments, they can all be activated by reciting poetry, chanting, singing lyrical songs, singing melodies, whistling, playing an instrument, or playing an instrument in combination with some spoken performance. In Pathfinder, they change it to be any perform skill with different rules for visual and audio performances. A couple abilities require certain types (countersong, distraction) but for the rest, anything works. One of the perform categories is mime. One ability, dirge of doom, specifically says that the creature must be able to see and hear the bard for it to work. In Pathfinder, covering your ears is a legitimate defence against mimes.
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The Lone Badger posted:The impression I got from the first book is that Kvothe is a highly unreliable narrator and all the times he was totally awesome you guys should be taken with a considerable amount of salt. That was the first book. In the second book, everything Kvothe did was true and all the times he was totally awesome you guys should be taken literally.
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Nessus posted:Are you familiar with the Japanese medium of anime? Yeah I was figuring either it'd be Senran Kagura or like, some kind of game-of-thrones grimdark stuff where they're ninjas who kill people with sex, and "Ninjas who don't know where babies come from" is probably the most boring of any option.
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spectralent posted:Yeah I was figuring either it'd be Senran Kagura or like, some kind of game-of-thrones grimdark stuff where they're ninjas who kill people with sex, and "Ninjas who don't know where babies come from" is probably the most boring of any option. Yeah, they're not really sex ninjas at all -- they're martial artists, like shotokan guys, not spies and awesome sneaky types like ninjas. And sex isn't part of their combat deal, they're just so open and don't have any hangups about boning or nudity like our so-called 'civilization' and btw they're all hot and Kvothe never runs across any nude dudes who want to bang him and this isn't a super obvious wish fulfillment or anything.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:In Pathfinder, covering your ears is a legitimate defence against mimes.
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The Lone Badger posted:The impression I got from the first book is that Kvothe is a highly unreliable narrator and all the times he was totally awesome you guys should be taken with a considerable amount of salt. Multiple secondary characters explicitly call him out on this. He never learns. I assumed the rest of the series was going to be more of the same. Shame 
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So something that came up just today in a game I'm in is D&D 3.5's Chameleon Prestige Class, which has the following ability:quote:Aptitude Focus (Ex): Once per day, you can select one of five areas upon which to focus your ever-shifting talents. After meditating for 1 hour, you gain the chosen abilities for 24 hours or until you change your aptitude focus. An aptitude focus ability is usable once per day at 1st level, twice per day at 5th level, and three times per day at 10th level. At 5th level, you can change your aptitude focus one time per day, and at 10th level you can change your aptitude focus two times per day. If you change to the arcane focus or divine focus ability, you must still obey the normal rules for preparing spells (including any rest required). That underlined bit is important. See, Prestige Classes tend to have customized spell lists to reflect their specialization and whatever hoops you have to jump through to become eligible for them. Such as the Trapsmith: quote:Skills: Craft (trapmaking) 8 ranks , Disable Device 8 ranks , Open Lock 5 ranks , Search 8 ranks The earliest you could get to this class would be a Rogue 4 or something with the 8 ranks in these skills plus Trapfinding, and then Rogue 4/Trapsmith 1 by character level 5. In exchange, you get the Haste spell redesignated as a 1st level spell for Trapsmiths, when it would normally a 3rd level spell for everyone else (such as a Wizard). But since the Chameleon can choose from the spell list of any arcane spellcasting class, and the Trapsmith is an arcane spellcaster, and Haste as a 1st level spell does appear on its spell list, then you could actually access it like that, as well as "dumpster diving" for any number of other spells cherry-picked from Prestige Class spell lists with the spell level reduced. In the event, the DM and I closed off that loophole mutually, but it was a neat trick with the RAW that I thought definitely fit in with the thread.
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That's exactly why the Archivist is so brokenly powerful. Yeah this one prestige class in this one book has bloodlust as a first level spell, It's mine now.
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palecur posted:Yeah, they're not really sex ninjas at all -- they're martial artists, like shotokan guys, not spies and awesome sneaky types like ninjas. And sex isn't part of their combat deal, they're just so open and don't have any hangups about boning or nudity like our so-called 'civilization' and btw they're all hot and Kvothe never runs across any nude dudes who want to bang him and this isn't a super obvious wish fulfillment or anything.  Super open sexual society that doesn't know where babies come from? Is it some sort of Amazon thing where it's all women? ...Cause that's even more wish-fulfilly
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gradenko_2000 posted:So something that came up just today in a game I'm in is D&D 3.5's Chameleon Prestige Class, which has the following ability: Pathfinder has (had?) a similar trick with the Samsaran race, which let you add several spells from another class's spell list to your own as long as they were of the same type (arcane/divine). Since the Summoner was a 6-level spellcasting class that got a ton of spells at heavily discounted levels so that it could keep pace with the 9-level classes within its field, this let wizards/sorcerers gain things like Haste as a second-level spell, or Summon Monster VII/VIII as fifth/sixth-level spells.
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