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Sage Genesis posted:Question for you all: Alternatively tell your group your stats are unusable and they're dicks if they don't let you just make another character. Or just die immediately so you can reroll.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:08
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Reene posted:Animate seems pretty weak to be honest. I wish it scaled better because it definitely does not seem to. It scales in the sense that as you get higher level you can maintain more skeletons. You overcome enemies by volume of attacks. e: echoing that suicide sometimes is the answer. Generic Octopus fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 00:12
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Sage Genesis posted:I don't. We start at level 3. I also think there will be RP-issues with animating the dead.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:20
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Valiant Hero Makes Brave Last Stand.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:21
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Splicer posted:Play a barbarian, dump stat con and dex. Charge monsters until you die. Refuse to spend hit dice because you're "saving them for when you need them". I can't dump con and dex. Those are my only not-poo poo scores. We had to roll... *puts flashlight under his face* in order.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:35
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Sage Genesis posted:I can't dump con and dex. Those are my only not-poo poo scores. We had to roll... *puts flashlight under his face* in order. Did your DM watch? Just fudge some numbers up if not. If so, pray Bahamut watches over you and your game.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:38
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What stats did you roll, exactly?
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Apr 28, 2017 00:38
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I can't fudge, we used orokos (an online die roller which stores your rolls). My results are: Str 11 Dex 14 Con 15 Int 12 Wis 9 Cha 7 (edit: that's pre-racial modifiers) So I figure, my best plan is to be some kind of caster who never makes attacks or saving throws. "But Sage, with 14 Dex you could be a Wood Elf and play a Ro-" Yeah, except that the other players also rolled and they all have 16, 17, or 18 Dex pre-racial modifiers. I'm not going to play a Rogue when I'm the most clumsy motherfucker in the party. Some of the other players already decided on Rogue, Bard, and Monk anyway so it's not as if I could compete in that arena. I'm not looking to break the game (as if I even could), I just need to know if a pure buff-caster can work. Believe me, I already considered the heroic suicide option.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:46
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Sage Genesis posted:I can't dump con and dex. Those are my only not-poo poo scores. We had to roll... *puts flashlight under his face* in order. The gently caress? I haven't seen a DM do that since 2nd ed, and even then it was a dick move.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:47
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Sage Genesis posted:We had to roll... *puts flashlight under his face* in order. That's stupid and your DM is stupid and bad and you should murder him and wear his skin like a suit....
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Apr 28, 2017 00:51
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Petr posted:The gently caress? I haven't seen a DM do that since 2nd ed, and even then it was a dick move. I think he's got some... ideas... about how cool and badass old school was. Back when men were men, uphill both ways in the snow, etc. Edit: And guys, look, I know it's a poo poo method. But it's just a short mini-campaign, I expect it won't even reach 10 sessions. So I'm not really bothered too much by the scores, I'm just trying to make it work. Sage Genesis fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 00:50
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Sage Genesis posted:I think he's got some... ideas... about how cool and badass old school was. Back when men were men, uphill both ways in the snow, etc. Old school was mashing the "regenerate scores" button in Baldur's Gate until you got a 91 roll
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Apr 28, 2017 00:54
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Sage Genesis posted:I can't fudge, we used orokos (an online die roller which stores your rolls). This spread is only a step or two down in quality from the standard array. What sucks is you can't rearrange your rolls. If you could, you could have a by the book main stat which is the only thing that really matters. If you don't want to leverage your Dex I say play a Wizard and take what you can get.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:54
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Propose a homebrew class: Health Nut, primary stat con.
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Sage Genesis posted:I think he's got some... ideas... about how cool and badass old school was. Back when men were men, uphill both ways in the snow, etc. I just joined a group in progress, at like 10th level. I made a character with a 27 point buy, assuming that was how the other characters were built because seriously gently caress rolling stat arrays. After a couple of sessions the guy playing the most munchkin, plot-less character says that "you get a higher average with 27 point buy, it's more fair to roll". The DM laughed and made everyone total up what their stats would have been as a point buy when they started, just for funsies. Not a single one less than a high to mid 30's. That was barely on topic but the rolling thing reminded me about it. Rolling stats is dumb.
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Petr posted:The gently caress? I haven't seen a DM do that since 2nd ed, and even then it was a dick move. It's almost like designing a game that's more about "feeling" like D&D than anything else can end up teaching people some bad habits!
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SettingSun posted:This spread is only a step or two down in quality from the standard array. What sucks is you can't rearrange your rolls. If you could, you could have a by the book main stat which is the only thing that really matters. More like four steps. The two highest scores are the same as the array, but the other four are all literally a point lower. But yes the point is that I can't rearrange and the party already has other (and better) Dex-focused characters. I might look at Wizard if nobody else is doing that, but I like the idea of casting Bless and then just chilling in the background while the party does the heavy lifting.
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's almost like designing a game that's more about "feeling" like D&D than anything else can end up teaching people some bad habits! I have no idea what point you're trying to make, but I'm pretty sure it's dumb.
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Sage Genesis posted:I think he's got some... ideas... about how cool and badass old school was. Back when men were men, uphill both ways in the snow, etc. If you're vigilant with your spell selection you can break the game just by being a pure caster
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Apr 28, 2017 01:04
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Sage Genesis posted:More like four steps. The two highest scores are the same as the array, but the other four are all literally a point lower. But yes the point is that I can't rearrange and the party already has other (and better) Dex-focused characters. Honestly, it's not that bad playing the party stooge if your DM lets you get away with it, and encourages good roleplay. This guy doesn't sound like the type, though.
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Apr 28, 2017 01:05
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An Int 14 Wizard is nothing to sneeze at. Play a gnome Wizard who as a hobby likes to drink dwarves under the table (literally).
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Sage Genesis posted:I think he's got some... ideas... about how cool and badass old school was. Back when men were men, uphill both ways in the snow, etc.  your character or the dm whatever you want
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Sage Genesis posted:So I figure, my best plan is to be some kind of caster who never makes attacks or saving throws. Short low-level campaign? Crappy stats, but decent HP? You want to play a moon druid.
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Hello Sailor posted:Short low-level campaign? Crappy stats, but decent HP? The DM nerfed moon druids because he thinks they're too good. At this point you might think I was just making this all up just to stir things up, but I swear that this is true.
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Petr posted:I have no idea what point you're trying to make, but I'm pretty sure it's dumb. D&D Next, the """playtest""" of 5e, had several surveys that, instead of addressing how the game functioned, asked players such probing questions as "Which of these spells feel most like D&D?" When people playtesting on this forum encountered a fairly egregious problem with how a swarm of rats posed an obscene threat to a party and interrupted the flow of play due to how advantage effectively had the rats rolling ~30 d20s between them, WotC's response was to amend the playtesting agreement to disallow online playtesting. When Fighters were given a "damage on a miss" effect, there was a significant outcry from various trpg communities, thus it was removed. This effect later appeared on the Evocation wizard archetype.
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I'm playing a bard and took sleep. We basically facerolled a dungeon at level 2 until the DM cracked the shits and put his last three encounters in the boss room, where they proceeded to have a birthday party. Anyway sleep still sort of did its job despite this encounter being way too loving hard, then I got bane and vicious mockery on the main boss who proceeded to crit our healer (which would have been instant death) but it turned out to be a miss and the DM looked absolutely crestfallen that we'd clowned his entire dungeon. e: another nice moment when 4 hobgoblins ran into the room where we were about to long rest and three of them immediately fell unconscious. The last guy through the door basically went "I'm out" and ran into another hallway where he triggered a spike pit and got skewered, rip. JBP fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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I would love to play a balls to the wall "Roll your stats in order, make character, go" dungeon dive sometime. Just make everyone roll up a whole mess of characters and when one dies, the other walks in the door. Otherwise rolling for stats is dumb garbage.
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Apr 28, 2017 02:46
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In one of my games everyone took the standard array except one guy who rolled 4d6 pick your stats and he ended up being way overpowered. Go figure.
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Generic Octopus posted:D&D Next, the """playtest""" of 5e, had several surveys that, instead of addressing how the game functioned, asked players such probing questions as "Which of these spells feel most like D&D?" Oh, of course, obviously this is why Sage's DM is a dick. Sage, I'd find a different group at this point. This guy sounds awful.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I would love to play a balls to the wall "Roll your stats in order, make character, go" dungeon dive sometime. Just make everyone roll up a whole mess of characters and when one dies, the other walks in the door. That totally works, too! Just not for any of the WotC editions. Or most of the TSR editions. It's honestly just OD&D, Basic, and maybe AD&D.
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Sage Genesis posted:The DM nerfed moon druids because he thinks they're too good. You don't want to play even one session with this DM, let alone ten. Walk away.
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Yeah, usually you have to go to a special meetup to find that kind of sadism.
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Generic Octopus posted:It scales in the sense that as you get higher level you can maintain more skeletons. You overcome enemies by volume of attacks. Once you reach the levels where you can cast Animate Object instead there are very few reasons not to just do that instead. You get (potentially) more creatures that can fly just because, hit things more easily and sometimes harder, are harder to hit if they're medium or smaller, while also neatly sidestepping the potential intraparty conflict of "oh my god what are you doing to those corpses." The best you can say for Animate Dead is that they'll stick around longer, therefore potentially costing you fewer slots, and can perform other simple tasks if that's something you need a body for. Reene fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Sage Genesis posted:I think he's got some... ideas... about how cool and badass old school was. Back when men were men, uphill both ways in the snow, etc. Anyway, advice: Play a UA Beastmaster Ranger. Pump your Dex. Take an Ape as your pet. You can now have the Ape assist you on most tasks, giving you advantage on a lot of rolls which should help with your lovely stats, and where it can't assist just have the Ape flat out do it since it's got better Strength and Wisdom than you do. Your spell save will be crap but just load up on non-save utility spells like Goodberry and Hunter's Mark. This all hinges on your GM a) not minding you using the UA ranger and b) not trying to make you make handle animal checks for everything your Ape does (which would be bullshit but...) e: Also, depending on your interpretations of the rules, taking favoured enemy: Humanoids would allow your Ape to speak Common. Splicer fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Reene posted:Once you reach the levels where you can cast Animate Object instead there are very few reasons not to just do that instead. You get (potentially) more creatures that can fly just because, hit things more easily and sometimes harder, are harder to hit if they're medium or smaller, while also neatly sidestepping the potential intraparty conflict of "oh my god what are you doing to those corpses." Animate Object lasts 1 minute and is concentration. Animate Dead is indefinite and not concentration. Other posters already did the maths, but you can have a large group of skeletons animated indefinitely.
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Petr posted:Oh, of course, obviously this is why Sage's DM is a dick. Do you seriously not believe that the mechanics and presentation of a game don't affect how people play that game, or is your ability to extrapolate atrophied and withered beyond use? The DM is running with the rules as presented in the books - rolling stats is presented as the default, despite being a lovely idea that the game isn't designed well enough to support, since every class needs 1+ high score to be baseline competent at their Thing. The supposition that having shittier ability scores will push you to roleplay better is some serious crossed wires, stemming from the misinterpretation of "flawed characters are more narratively interesting": having flaws makes for a more interesting character, but more flaws does not map to a further increase in how interesting the character is. Flaws do not also preclude a character from being competent at what they do - a thief who cannot sneak is not a tensely dramatic character, they are a two-dimensional comedic farce.
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Explaining to a human that something might be more fun for you as a player while being within the rules and then being told no is dumb as poo poo and the DM is a loving clown.
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JBP posted:Explaining to a human that something might be more fun for you as a player while being within the rules and then being told no is dumb as poo poo and the DM is a loving clown. Sadly, that argument just bounced off of Mearls and now we have an entire edition of this misery. Isn't it fun!
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