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CitizenKain posted:2500K still going strong. Used to upgrade every 3 years or so, but now, eh. ...If you are a not a massive data crunching overlord and aren't fazed by a virtually zero gain in general real world responsiveness going to NVME.
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Palladium posted:...If you are a not a massive data crunching overlord and aren't fazed by a virtually zero gain in general real world responsiveness going to NVME. I stumbled into some data hoarders subreddit and dear lord those people are insane
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Palladium posted:...If you are a not a massive data crunching overlord and aren't fazed by a virtually zero gain in general real world responsiveness going to NVME. I move a lot of project files around that are 500MB or so. I notice the difference, although I'll totally admit it was just a luxury thing and makes very little real world difference apart from that. Also Windows boots before my monitor comes on, which is kind of neat. I was kind of meh on the whole upgrade from Sandy at first, but the Sandy board died a week later so it was meant to be. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Sandy Bridge will be the first CPU to be unusable because the supply of LGA1150 motherboards were exhausted long before the CPUs failed. My Xeon E3-1230 is going to be my Kubernetes machine into the next decade it seems.
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necrobobsledder posted:Sandy Bridge will be the first CPU to be unusable because the supply of LGA1150 motherboards were exhausted long before the CPUs failed. My Xeon E3-1230 is going to be my Kubernetes machine into the next decade it seems. My friends z77 died last week, it is a shame as the CPU's are still great.
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WhyteRyce posted:I stumbled into some data hoarders subreddit and dear lord those people are insane Link? Those people are always good for a laugh. That said, 60 TB of post-RAID6 storage is totally normal, right?
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Link? Those people are always good for a laugh. That said, 60 TB of post-RAID6 storage is totally normal, right? There was (amazon is removing unlimited storage options) a guy with over a petabyte of camgirl caps. Yeah.
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HalloKitty posted:There was (amazon is removing unlimited storage options) a guy with over a petabyte of camgirl caps. Yeah.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Link? Those people are always good for a laugh. That said, 60 TB of post-RAID6 storage is totally normal, right?
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DrDork posted:"That's probably 80-90 degrees cable which is probably pretty close to it catching on fire" The PSU is at least partially to blame for that, according to JonnyGURU: JonnyGURU posted:If you used the SuperFlower PSU in the video with the crystal connectors, that's part of your problem. Those "universal 9-pin connectors" have less conductors than most other modular PSUs because the same connector that's used for EPS12V, PCIe, etc. has to also support +5V and +3.3V for Molex and SATA and then there's an "LED pin" which, when grounded to a ground pin, turns on the interface's LED. A horribly bad design. This is why the wires would be so hot. I suggest checking the voltage at the PSU and then at the motherboard's EPS12V to see what the drop looks like under load. If the voltage is significantly lower than +12V, the board is going to have to pull more current than it normally would. I then suggest using that AX1500i you have on the shelf behind you and see if you end up with the same results since that modular cable for the EPS12V is four +12V pins and four grounds.
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Scarecow posted:AMD: "Boy my VRM's ran really hot on my 290x GPU's" Is there some reason motherboards replaced actual heatsinks with heat insulators? Looking at my old mobo they have all these copper heatsinks and heatpipes snaking around: http://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/p6t-deluxe/board.jpg
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It was cheaper and it worked. The 500 dollar Asus R6E motherboard still has proper VRM cooling, but...that's a 500 dollar motherboard no one should be buying.
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Doesn't the new mac pro come with both skylake-x and vega? they should ship that thing with a nasheed mixtape and a black flag
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X299 news! VRMs under load sound a bit like a dial-up modem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15g_XLRc3QA and der8auer reports that a 7900X at 4600 Mhz / 1,30V pulls 440W under load (non-AVX Prime).
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Ihmemies posted:Is there some reason motherboards replaced actual heatsinks with heat insulators? Looking at my old mobo they have all these copper heatsinks and heatpipes snaking around: http://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/p6t-deluxe/board.jpg Intel's processors have been insanely efficient for a while and so support hardware didn't matter and eventually was designed around looking cool instead of being functional, like most of the rest of PC hardware
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Found some more detail on the 8-Pin CPU power connector, looks like it's rated for 7A per conductor for a total of 28A/336W. http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8
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MaxxBot posted:Found some more detail on the 8-Pin CPU power connector, looks like it's rated for 7A per conductor for a total of 28A/336W. eames posted:and der8auer reports that a 7900X at 4600 Mhz / 1,30V pulls 440W under load (non-AVX Prime). 
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eames posted:X299 news! What happens when these overclocked systems hit AVX instructions? Do they just crash?
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Twerk from Home posted:What happens when these overclocked systems hit AVX instructions? Do they just crash? Catch fire.
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Twerk from Home posted:What happens when these overclocked systems hit AVX instructions? Do they just crash? 
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Serious answer though, nobody runs AVX at full speed anymore. AMD runs them at half speed, Intel has a specific "AVX Offset" that you can control in UEFI, because it's pretty likely that AVX is one of the first things to break when you overclock
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Paul MaudDib posted:Serious answer though, nobody runs AVX at full speed anymore. AMD runs them at half speed, Intel has a specific "AVX Offset" that you can control in UEFI, because it's pretty likely that AVX is one of the first things to break when you overclock I had missed in all the launch news that AVX runs at half speed on Ryzens. Holy poo poo, Intel's still going to have a massive advantage in some niches.
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Twerk from Home posted:I had missed in all the launch news that AVX runs at half speed on Ryzens. Holy poo poo, Intel's still going to have a massive advantage in some niches. Also, Ryzen is only AVX2, whereas Skylake-X is AVX512. SKL-X's performance is only really unacceptable in enthusiast circles, I mean the chips are doing OK thermally at stock clocks, and those stock clocks are really high by the standards of previous chips (eg 4.0 GHz all-core turbo). If you drop down to Xeon level clocks the thermal bottleneck should be long gone and the power consumption should be a lot more manageable. Still higher than Ryzen but yes, a lot more AVX capability than Ryzen as well.
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Twerk from Home posted:I had missed in all the launch news that AVX runs at half speed on Ryzens. Holy poo poo, Intel's still going to have a massive advantage in some niches.
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Cannonlake gets AVX-512 and SHA, making it theoretically just as capable as a 7800X, which if anything should be an indication that we're not getting it until the latter half of 2018.
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necrobobsledder posted:Sandy Bridge will be the first CPU to be unusable because the supply of LGA1150 motherboards were exhausted long before the CPUs failed. My Xeon E3-1230 is going to be my Kubernetes machine into the next decade it seems. I might end up upgrading just to donate my current machine to a nephew or something. I feel like the biggest drat old person/nerd hybrid alive for not wanting to pay current DDR3 prices because of what they once were. Khorne fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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Khorne posted:Other older gens aren't doing much better. I've been eying some used server processors for some time and the motherboard prices went from $250 to $450 over the past year. RAM prices have also nearly doubled. Which sucks, because I wanted to go from 16gb->32gb on the ivy bridge machine I use at home. 4.5ghz ivy bridge on air still performs really drat well vs modern processors for gaming and general stuff. Yeah, last year one had a good chance of nabbing i7-3770 full size refurbs with aftermarket 16GB DDR3 and RX470 for roughly the price of a PS4 Pro. I must add that I find major OEM business and server systems exceedingly pleasant to work with, certainly much more over "enthusiast-grade" chassis.
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Palladium posted:Yeah, last year one had a good chance of nabbing i7-3770 full size refurbs with aftermarket 16GB DDR3 and RX470 for roughly the price of a PS4 Pro. I must add that I find major OEM business and server systems exceedingly pleasant to work with, certainly much more over "enthusiast-grade" chassis. True. Every time I crack open a Sandy Bridge or later Dell PC/workstation, I'm amazed at how well laid out and engineered the thing is even compared to modern "good" enthusiast cases from e.g. Fractal. In particular, the PCIe card latches are so good everyone else should just copy/license them instead of continuing to use lovely screws.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:It's going to be a while before most things scale well beyond 4 threads, I'd say Intel still has an edge in the near term. Get the K variant so you have the option for overclocking and stretching it down the road. In my opinion by the time it's no longer adequate it will have been long enough that an upgrade won't be a big deal. I ran a Core 2 Duo from January 2009 all the way to mid-2014, when I bought a non-K i5 and I fully expect I'll get another couple years out of it at least. I'm happier to save a little money since I have no interest in overclocking.
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Gamers Nexus keeps making fun of the Intel marketing team, it's pretty funny. https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/881368192551186433
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MaxxBot posted:Gamers Nexus keeps making fun of the Intel marketing team, it's pretty funny. What is this in reference to?
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Lowen SoDium posted:What is this in reference to? http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2963-intel-12k-marketing-blunder-pcie-lane-scaling-benchmarks Silicon Lottery has some info regarding their binning silicon lottery posted:Range is about 4.5-4.9/4.6-5.0 depending on voltage used 1.25-1.35V. eames fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Lowen SoDium posted:What is this in reference to? Intel claimed that the Skylake-X was ideal for "12k" gaming by which they really meant 3x 4k screens or something, really dumb either way since no GPU setup can reasonably push that.
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Combat Pretzel posted:So the i7 HEDTs are poo poo in general is the take away? For their asking price and that they're forcing you to move to X299 which is also rather expensive....yeah. While there may be professional users who can find a use for them, but it'll be a small market for whom these chips make any sort of sense over what's already available. And that's assuming the motherboards/power cables don't burst into flames.
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MaxxBot posted:Intel claimed that the Skylake-X was ideal for "12k" gaming by which they really meant 3x 4k screens or something, really dumb either way since no GPU setup can reasonably push that. This is what happens when you contract your advertising out to people who aren't really techies--you end up with stupid poo poo like 12k and statements about 3- and 4-way SLI, despite Pascal being limited to 2-way and RX cards being completely incapable of "12k" no matter how many of them you shove into a system.
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MaxxBot posted:Intel claimed that the Skylake-X was ideal for "12k" gaming by which they really meant 3x 4k screens or something, really dumb either way since no GPU setup can reasonably push that. You know if that'd been AMD claiming it, Paul would be all over it! 
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DrDork posted:RX cards being completely incapable of "12k" no matter how many of them you shove into a system. What if we put them in a beowulf cluster?
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Combat Pretzel posted:So the i7 HEDTs are poo poo in general is the take away? They don't overclock great, they are power hungry, expensive, and the platform was rushed and is still getting daily BIOS updates for some boards. But its a big core skylake, so if you are doing true content creation stuff or industrial activities and have $5k for a system, but not $20k for a 4 socket Xeon server workstation, its the best performance you can buy. AMD's answer is coming soon, and may be pretty competitive (but will likely also be hella power hungry and pretty expensive)
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Cygni posted:They don't overclock great, they are power hungry, expensive, and the platform was rushed and is still getting daily BIOS updates for some boards. But its a big core skylake, so if you are doing true content creation stuff or industrial activities and have $5k for a system, but not $20k for a 4 socket Xeon server workstation, its the best performance you can buy. Actually that's i9s. i7s have fewer PCIe lanes, gimped AVX implementation and as it turns out they're 7900X binning rejects not only in terms of working cores but also in terms of voltage/heat output/efficiency. That explains why the heat output from 6 to 8 to 10 is so similar and doesn't scale anywhere near as linearly as one would expect.
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