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Cygni posted:IIRC the x99 platform was kind of a mess early on too, wasnt it? I would probably hold off on getting anything for few months honestly. Looks like I'm keeping Sandy Bridge until '18.
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What's the next big architectural change for desktop CPUs? is Tiger Lake going to be a complete redesign? The current SL-X situation reminds me of the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition but there's no successor in sight. edit: I hope 6C Coffee Lake does better than that in  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKX9Bcxnd7U eames fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Will Intel release X299 BIOS updates like AMD for free performance gainzz????
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Will Intel release X299 BIOS updates like AMD for free Nope, they'll charge 89 bucks a flash for 'em. It's almost like Intel forgot people have only been buying their products for the past 6 < x < 30 years under duress.
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Tomshardware review notes that the Xeon Platinum 8176 has a 1.3 GHz base clock when running AVX-512 instructions. Yikes.
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It'll be released as a physical key. You'll need a separate one to unlock the RAID capabilities. You cannot install both keys at once. WHAT'S YOUR MOVE NOW, AMD!? Don't tell me you're staying with the less-secure "internet update" that you use on your desktop chipsets. Real servers use physical keys for a 150% increase in security.
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Combat Pretzel posted:So what exactly is the difference between a server and desktop product these days anyway? About $1000 per unit. 
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Jul 12, 2017 18:36
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eames posted:Given the choice between 4 glued-together Desktop Dies and glue between the Die and the Heatspreader, I'd choose the former. Did Intel just call Epyc processors "glued together" Oh my goodness how is this an official Intel slide?
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Jul 12, 2017 21:33
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this is a pathetic slide coming from a company with a market cap of $162 billion
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Hmm yes this is the best they could do? Lol.
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http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_system.php?q=cea598ab9fa79fab9cbadde0cdfcdaa895a482ebd6e6c0a895a583fbc6f6d0b5d0edddfb88b58d&l=en new leaked Coffee Lake / Z370 benchmark, this one's a 6C/12T engineering sample at 3.2 base 3.6 Turbo. I wonder how these will overclock compared to a 7700K.
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Rabid Snake posted:Did Intel just call Epyc processors "glued together" If it's official, it's loving sad. It looks like something a fanboy would make.
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HalloKitty posted:If it's official, it's loving sad. It looks like something a fanboy would make. It is sad. It's the kind of thing that goes viral on FB comments with Intel fanboys. Intel CEO: "IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, MAKE ANOTHER WITH LOL AT THE END OF THE SLIDE!!!" GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Jul 13, 2017 15:50
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Monolithic cores are better than split designs, just look at the C2Q and Phenom!
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Intel is one step away from calling all the review sites "fake news".
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Desktop dies, unlike the superb dual channel in a quad channel board chips.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:It is sad. It's the kind of thing that goes viral on FB comments with Intel fanboys. Intel CEO: "IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, MAKE ANOTHER WITH LOL AT THE END OF THE SLIDE!!!" there are intel fanboys? that's like an at&t fanboy a walmart fanboy i dont get it
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:i dont get it Some people really need to self-justify their expenditures, regardless of how ridiculous. And we all know that the best way to self-justify anything is to do it with others in an echo chamber.
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:there are intel fanboys? You should look at the sports world. Also anyone who is a "fan" of a computer chip company is a loving moron.
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The best thing that's happened from Skylake-X is it's pushed the used prices of Broadwell-E way down. I was thinking I'd end up going Skylake-X for a 8 core processor but I happened to look at the used market for Broadwell-E and the 8 core models are already down to the 700 range and for anyone looking at 10 cores they're already down to the 1,100 range. In about a year when I think I might be doing stuff that can use 8 cores maybe I'll be able to get a 8 core Broadwell-E for 500 if Intel hasn't released a refresh for Skylake-X to make it significantly faster I think that's what I'll end up doing, I already have the X99 motherboard for it so that's another 200 or so dollars less than getting a Skylake-X motherboard.
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Intel is the New England Patriots of CPU manufacturing. Sure, you could genetically engineer the perfect football team, and companies like IBM and defense contractors do that clandestinely, but it's always been Intel's game to lose, and they're doing a very entertaining job. The difference is that Intel's 'salary cap' is more or less unlimited compared to AMD's and they can quite literally afford to fail while AMD maybe has a stumble or three left in them before the general manager tells them to 
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Yeah I like Intel's products mostly but I am drat glad there are anti-trust laws to keep them from just buying AMD to crush them because they totally could.
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priznat posted:Yeah I like Intel's products mostly but I am drat glad there are anti-trust laws to keep them from just buying AMD to crush them because they totally could.
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:there are intel fanboys? There's probably toaster fanboys. Just read the comments of any CPU article at all. They'll be someone posting like that Intel slide from one camp or another. Also see r/amd and r/intel. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Follow tech news on FB, and any CPU articles at all... Check the comments. It's really depressing. They're so stupid they can't even tell. Dunningkrugerbook. /r/intel is actually going "what the hell, intel" for the most part last i checked
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That's good. Normally I don't read FB comments, but recently new CPU tech is getting some great terrible ones. There's probably people having heart attacks out of rage. It's so special. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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der8auer is still doing damage control after his X299 VRM analysis went viral, showing a $500 asus board with a new heatsink and optional 40mm fan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hejMP5hrhjc meanwhile even /r/intel seems to that nobody should buy a 7900X over TR. 
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eames posted:der8auer is still doing damage control after his X299 VRM analysis went viral, showing a $500 asus board with a new heatsink and optional 40mm fan I'm not sure I would characterize that as damage control, he didn't take anything he has said previously back, he just did a overview of the new version of the board which seems to have solved the lack of cooling issues for the VRM
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This forum always assigns a lot of malice to De8auer and I have no idea why. It's not like he is the only guy that works with hardware companies while also assessing them. E: for actual content, I am pining for someone to review Skylake-X with some DDR4-4200+ and a cache frequency overclock. Increased memory speeds lower inter-core latency just as with Ryzen and I'm interested to see if it can remove the strange performance deficits of the new mesh chips when compared to BD-E and SL-S. BurritoJustice fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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maybe because he has vested interest in X299's success?
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eames posted:maybe because he has vested interest in X299's success? He literally sells delid kits at manufacturing cost and that's it as far as financial interest goes. He works for Asus and caseking.de with overclocking but I fail to see how that means he has interest in specifically X299's success. He literally just made a video saying "even if you buy my delid kit you won't be able to overclock because the motherboards are poo poo".
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BurritoJustice posted:This forum always assigns a lot of malice to De8auer and I have no idea why. It's not like he is the only guy that works with hardware companies while also assessing them. Probably half jealousy half being a massive moron. Granted I'd never heard of him before reading this thread recently but he's not wrong and the latest video didn't seem like damage control to me? Companies have been adding worthless poorly designed heatsinks to make gamers hard more than dissipating heat so no surprise when I saw that it finally caught up to them.
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Combat Pretzel posted:So what exactly is the difference between a server and desktop product these days anyway? Especially when the purported desktop product supports all relevant server things like ECC, high bus bandwidth and virtualization? The difference between a server and desktop product is why AMD doesn't exist in the server market anymore. I am not even sure when the last time AMD had a competitive server product was, and that they escaped the bulldozer architecture without a legitimate lawsuit from vendors or customers in that market is impressive. I'm biased because I'm on the HPC side of things. For home use, the current gen AMD cpus are good for the first time in a long, long time. Khorne fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Khorne posted:Compare server motherboards to home ones. Compare xeon configurations (especially TDP/core count/cache) to desktop. Intel's server products blow the homes away. Although not for games and common home tasks with the notable exception of video encoding.
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I have never seen a home chipset that supports multiple sockets and massive amounts of ram.
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Whoops. Meant chip, not chipset. Most of the bitching is about the CPU.
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I have been checking this thread (or its earlier incarnations) every now and then since 2013/14 wondering if it is the time to replace my overclocked 2500k for a gaming rig. Needless to say, all the time I leave thinking "not yet". Is there any upcoming architecture that promises to bring a real big leap in performance?
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DoctorOfLawls posted:Is there any upcoming architecture that promises to bring a real big leap in performance? Not really, it's unlikely we'll see the types of performance leaps we did with things like C2D -> SandyBridge any time soon; the focus has largely been on efficiency rather than flat out performance. Maybe the next gen or two will see 6C/12T chips finally filtering down into the <$400 price range, but otherwise ~10% per gen improvement seems to be about where Intel wants to keep things.
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DoctorOfLawls posted:I have been checking this thread (or its earlier incarnations) every now and then since 2013/14 wondering if it is the time to replace my overclocked 2500k for a gaming rig. Icelake in 2019 is going to be Intel's first new consumer chip architecture since Skylake. I'm waiting for Cannonlake, and even that's going to be a die-shrunk Skylake. That being said, I can't succinctly answer your question because no one knows. All I can say, being a 2500K holdout myself, is to just try to have some money set aside for "just in case" situations. I know if my current PC gives up the ghost, I'll be at Micro Center that same day buying that $999 7600K/1070 PC as a placeholder until Icelake.
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