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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

Red_Fred posted:

I've been using KeePass for several years without issue. However I recently changed to using an iPhone from Android and I'm finding the KeePass iOS apps to be a bit poo poo. The other gripe I have is automatic entry is clunky in KeePass which means I end up manually copy and pasting most of the time both in Windows and iOS. I only use Windows and iOS by the way.

Is it worth changing to 1Pass? If the user experience is much better than KeePass I'm happy to pay the sub but I can't tell.

1Password is great on IOS and MacOS. It kinda blows on both Android and Windows, and is still missing features like multiple repositories.

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
The only problem with 1Password is that it looks like they're getting rid of local repos altogether, and moving to a subscription-based cloud-only platform.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

anthonypants posted:

The only problem with 1Password is that it looks like they're getting rid of local repos altogether, and moving to a subscription-based cloud-only platform.

Which is dumb as gently caress.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

Lain Iwakura posted:

Which is dumb as gently caress.

Yep. I'm guessing they aren't going to bother adding multiple repo support or other things to make the Windows/Android local repo versions less lovely because of this.

Would love to find something that supports multiple local repos, preferably that can be stored in OwnCloud that works on OSX/Windows/Android/IOS. I'm probably asking for too much.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
KeepAss is probably going to be your best bet. And it's open source, so you can write your own plugins for it!

MiniFoo
Dec 25, 2006

METHAMPHETAMINE

I don't know about the iOS app, but I've been using KeePass on macOS through Mono just fine (with the exception of some minor copy-paste issues that I haven't bothered to troubleshoot). It's nice having the same interface for both Windows and macOS.

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

1password doesn't add a lot to the iOS experience, because iOS itself is locked down preventing tight integration.
Keepass does it well enough; you will be copy-pasting either way.
KP (Minikeypass) loads the DB from the dropbox app so getting your PWs onto iOS is pretty simple.

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

Khablam posted:

1password doesn't add a lot to the iOS experience, because iOS itself is locked down preventing tight integration.
Keepass does it well enough; you will be copy-pasting either way.
KP (Minikeypass) loads the DB from the dropbox app so getting your PWs onto iOS is pretty simple.

actually 1password is integrated with the share sheet now so you can use it in the browser and any app

Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010


Fallen Rib

Khablam posted:

1password doesn't add a lot to the iOS experience, because iOS itself is locked down preventing tight integration.
Keepass does it well enough; you will be copy-pasting either way.
KP (Minikeypass) loads the DB from the dropbox app so getting your PWs onto iOS is pretty simple.

This is true except their app doesn't play nice with Google Drive at the moment which is where I store my poo poo. Have to do this Safari hack to update my DB on iOS.

Mad Wack posted:

actually 1password is integrated with the share sheet now so you can use it in the browser and any app

Argh don't tell me this! I just hosed around to get my KeePass browser integrated updated in Chrome on Windows. Related; how secure are the KeePass plugins?

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
OpenSSL is poo poo.

From VC++ 5.0 hacks, to BIG ENDIAN AMD64 support, it's real bad.
Worse yet? They ignored Tavis.

https://github.com/libressl-portable/openbsd/commit/91744d3deae1b0a448f936d107d1934c12510fee

You can't ignore Tavis! You will regret this!

Don't use OpenSSL if you can help it. Holy poo poo.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

ratbert90 posted:

OpenSSL is poo poo.

From VC++ 5.0 hacks, to BIG ENDIAN AMD64 support, it's real bad.
Worse yet? They ignored Tavis.

https://github.com/libressl-portable/openbsd/commit/91744d3deae1b0a448f936d107d1934c12510fee

You can't ignore Tavis! You will regret this!

Don't use OpenSSL if you can help it. Holy poo poo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBbhXBDmwU

overeager overeater
Oct 16, 2011

"The cosmonauts were transfixed with wonderment as the sun set - over the Earth - there lucklessly, untethered Comrade Todd on fire."



ratbert90 posted:

BIG ENDIAN AMD64

"Remove support for big-endian i386 and amd64 posted:

Before someone suggests the OpenSSL people are junkies, here is what they mention about this:

/* Most will argue that x86_64 is always little-endian. Well,
* yes, but then we have stratus.com who has modified gcc to
* "emulate" big-endian on x86. Is there evidence that they
* [or somebody else] won't do same for x86_64? Naturally no.
* And this line is waiting ready for that brave soul:-) */


So, yes, they are on drugs. But they are not alone, the stratus.com people are, too.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
https://software.intel.com/en-us/node/628878

DavidAlltheTime
Feb 14, 2008

All David...all the TIME!
I have a laptop that was part of a research project at a university. The project is over, and I now have the laptop as a sort of 'bonus'. But, the security of the laptop is still managed remotely, somehow, by IT people at the university, and it leads to annoying features, like having to input passwords if I want to delete a file, or install a program. How can I disable these 'security features'?

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

DavidAlltheTime posted:

I have a laptop that was part of a research project at a university. The project is over, and I now have the laptop as a sort of 'bonus'. But, the security of the laptop is still managed remotely, somehow, by IT people at the university, and it leads to annoying features, like having to input passwords if I want to delete a file, or install a program. How can I disable these 'security features'?

Wipe it.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

DavidAlltheTime posted:

I have a laptop that was part of a research project at a university. The project is over, and I now have the laptop as a sort of 'bonus'. But, the security of the laptop is still managed remotely, somehow, by IT people at the university, and it leads to annoying features, like having to input passwords if I want to delete a file, or install a program. How can I disable these 'security features'?
Get that 'bonus' in writing, then wipe it.

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?
might also be worth checking if it's configured for AMT remote management too. If AMT is enabled, you may be able to reset or disable it in the BIOS/UEFI settings.

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.
Wrongo 1password cloud owns bones


Janitoring my dropbox instance sucked

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017
So Android Pay is now available in Canada.

What are people's thoughts on it from an actual security perspective?

The benefits are that there's another layer of separation for identity theft and the like because the merchants never gain access to your actual credit card, with AP working as a sort of proxy for your cards.

The only negatives I see are from a neo-luddite aversion to connecting even more of my life to my smartphone but this really comes down to just feelings and not actual facts and pros/cons in terms of security.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Oysters Autobio posted:

So Android Pay is now available in Canada.

What are people's thoughts on it from an actual security perspective?

The benefits are that there's another layer of separation for identity theft and the like because the merchants never gain access to your actual credit card, with AP working as a sort of proxy for your cards.

The only negatives I see are from a neo-luddite aversion to connecting even more of my life to my smartphone but this really comes down to just feelings and not actual facts and pros/cons in terms of security.

Ignore all of this and just remember that there is no liability shift to you unlike EMV.

DoctorTristan
Mar 11, 2006

I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?

Lain Iwakura posted:

Ignore all of this and just remember that there is no liability shift to you unlike EMV.

I thought the (US) liability shift was to merchants who had not yet adopted EMV, not to consumers?

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017

Lain Iwakura posted:

Ignore all of this and just remember that there is no liability shift to you unlike EMV.

Sorry, I googled this and am still confused. How's liability shift relate to using Android Pay in Canada?

All the links brought up the USA's current transition to chip and pin transactions and problems with it. In Canada we've transitioned to chips/pin a long time ago, and most merchants (maybe 95%+ in my experience) have chip enabled on their machines. I know this isn't the case in the USA.

Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 27, 2017

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

DoctorTristan posted:

I thought the (US) liability shift was to merchants who had not yet adopted EMV, not to consumers?

Oysters Autobio posted:

Sorry, I googled this and am still confused. How's liability shift relate to using Android Pay in Canada?

All the links brought up the USA's current transition to chip and pin transactions and problems with it. In Canada we've transitioned to chips/pin a long time ago, and most merchants (maybe 95%+ in my experience) have chip enabled on their machines. I know this isn't the case in the USA.

The liability shift for EMV is strictly where EMV is used in a transaction; the shift is to the consumer in this case. In the case of RFID payments, regardless if it is via Android Pay or on a native card using Interac or credit--this also applies if you have that rare instance where you use stripe.

Find an excuse to perform any transaction <$100 using RFID and don't worry about things. If the card becomes compromised as a result, you're off the hook.

Under EMV, their excuse that the system is foolproof (it isn't) and that you've given up your PIN if the EMV mechanism is used during a transaction.

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017

Lain Iwakura posted:

The liability shift for EMV is strictly where EMV is used in a transaction; the shift is to the consumer in this case. In the case of RFID payments, regardless if it is via Android Pay or on a native card using Interac or credit--this also applies if you have that rare instance where you use stripe.

Find an excuse to perform any transaction <$100 using RFID and don't worry about things. If the card becomes compromised as a result, you're off the hook.

Under EMV, their excuse that the system is foolproof (it isn't) and that you've given up your PIN if the EMV mechanism is used during a transaction.

I'm really sorry again but I have read this a couple times, and am still confused how this relates to the pros/cons of digital wallets as it relates to security from identity theft or other fuckery.

Are you saying that because the liability of RFID is not on the card user (right?), then it doesn't matter whether or not a card is compromised because you're just not on the hook for those payments?

Wouldn't digital wallets add one more layer because it would be less likely that anyone could compromise your card in the first place because of that extra layer?

Sorry to be so ignorant, if you've got a link or better resource for me to read up on because I'm still struggling to understand. I think I understand what you're saying about EMV cards, and liability shifting to merchants who don't offer EMV card options, but what does this all have to do with digital wallets?

Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Aug 28, 2017

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"
[quote="“Oysters Autobio”" post="“475814141”"]
I’m really sorry again but I have read this a couple times, and am still confused how this relates to the pros/cons of digital wallets as it relates to security from identity theft or other fuckery.

Are you saying that because the liability of RFID is not on the card user (right?), then it doesn’t matter whether or not a card is compromised because you’re just not on the hook for those payments?

Wouldn’t digital wallets add one more layer because it would be less likely that anyone could compromise your card in the first place because of that extra layer?

Sorry to be so ignorant, if you’ve got a link or better resource for me to read up on because I’m still struggling to understand. I think I understand what you’re saying about EMV cards, and liability shifting to merchants who don’t offer EMV card options, but what does this all have to do with digital wallets?
[/quote]

I believe what is being said is this:
That digital wallets have the liability of magnetic stripe transactions, while EMV chip cards shift the liability for theft to the cardholder. Even if your card is an EMV card, when you use Android/Apple/Samsung pay you aren’t using the EMV technology and don’t succumb to the EMV liability shift in the transaction. If you use RFID, you’ve effectively created (or not lost) a layer of legal protection. If you use EMV and somehow the transaction leads to your payment details being compromised, you’re default on the hook because you supplied your credentials.

Please correct me if this is not the case.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Grassy Knowles posted:

I believe what is being said is this:
That digital wallets have the liability of magnetic stripe transactions, while EMV chip cards shift the liability for theft to the cardholder. Even if your card is an EMV card, when you use Android/Apple/Samsung pay you aren’t using the EMV technology and don’t succumb to the EMV liability shift in the transaction. If you use RFID, you’ve effectively created (or not lost) a layer of legal protection. If you use EMV and somehow the transaction leads to your payment details being compromised, you’re default on the hook because you supplied your credentials.

Please correct me if this is not the case.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Just use it and don't be worried about it--just do the normal thing of checking your statements for oddities.

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

Oysters Autobio posted:

So Android Pay is now available in Canada.

What are people's thoughts on it from an actual security perspective?

The benefits are that there's another layer of separation for identity theft and the like because the merchants never gain access to your actual credit card, with AP working as a sort of proxy for your cards.

The only negatives I see are from a neo-luddite aversion to connecting even more of my life to my smartphone but this really comes down to just feelings and not actual facts and pros/cons in terms of security.

In the US, either *pay is probably your most secure method of payment. Additionally since either also notifies you of any payments within a few seconds of them happening you get a few advantages:
- you show the payment cleared on your side. Believe me, this is rarely useful but amazing when it is
- if you were, somehow, cloned, any transaction you didn't do yourself would immediately show in your notifications, so you can instantly stop the card

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017
Are there any security concerns from Android Pay in terms of further personal information being stored on the smartphone? Talking about the usual malware, viruses etc. that may target Android Pay as an app itself. This is more of my concern here, though the whole liability shift is good to know regarding tap or no tap (can we confirm that liability shift is the same here in Canada?).

I don't mean tinfoil levels of paranoia here about government or something, I just mean what happens if your app gets compromised with your cards on it?

Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Aug 28, 2017

apseudonym
Feb 25, 2011

Oysters Autobio posted:

Are there any security concerns from Android Pay in terms of further personal information being stored on the smartphone? Talking about the usual malware, viruses etc. that may target Android Pay as an app itself. This is more of my concern here, though the whole liability shift is good to know regarding tap or no tap (can we confirm that liability shift is the same here in Canada?).

I don't mean tinfoil levels of paranoia here about government or something, I just mean what happens if your app gets compromised with your cards on it?

Your phone is far more secure than your desktop, its fine really.

fordan
Mar 9, 2009

Clue: Zero

Grassy Knowles posted:

I believe what is being said is this:
That digital wallets have the liability of magnetic stripe transactions, while EMV chip cards shift the liability for theft to the cardholder. Even if your card is an EMV card, when you use Android/Apple/Samsung pay you aren’t using the EMV technology and don’t succumb to the EMV liability shift in the transaction. If you use RFID, you’ve effectively created (or not lost) a layer of legal protection. If you use EMV and somehow the transaction leads to your payment details being compromised, you’re default on the hook because you supplied your credentials.

Please correct me if this is not the case.

Pretty sure the Fair Credit Billing Act limits cardholder liability for fraud to $50 assuming the cardholder promptly notifies the credit card company of said fraudulent charges (within 60 days I believe), and most/all credit card companies have reduced that liability to $0 by policy. ApplePay, and I believe AndroidPay, use a separate number/token issued by the bank that bills against the same account but that token can only be used for NFC payments; it's not linked to the credit card but to the credit account underlying it. There's no link between the card and the *Pay token for there to be a swipe vs chip decision made, and even if your card is compromised, your NFC token will still work while they send you a new card.

Basically, this has nothing to do with the EMV merchant/bank liability shift which was designed to break the chicken and the egg impasse where banks didn't want to deploy EMV chipped cards without merchants having readers, and merchants not wanting to buy new PoS hardware that supports EMV without chip cards being prevalent.

(Also note the FCBA applies only to credit cards and not debit cards.)

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Oysters Autobio posted:

Are there any security concerns from Android Pay in terms of further personal information being stored on the smartphone? Talking about the usual malware, viruses etc. that may target Android Pay as an app itself. This is more of my concern here, though the whole liability shift is good to know regarding tap or no tap (can we confirm that liability shift is the same here in Canada?).

I don't mean tinfoil levels of paranoia here about government or something, I just mean what happens if your app gets compromised with your cards on it?

You're overthinking this. Why are you concerned about your card getting compromised? There is no liability shift to you and if you're responsible with your payment cards then you should be aware of misuse.

Seriously. If you're typing your credit card number into various websites on a regular basis, you have more to worry about that than if you use a tap payment system. At least the tap payment system is standardised and controlled by the payment processor. You don't know if the merchant online as you enter your card is properly storing and transmitting information.

Just use it and enjoy it; I certainly do.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Oysters Autobio posted:

Are there any security concerns from Android Pay in terms of further personal information being stored on the smartphone? Talking about the usual malware, viruses etc. that may target Android Pay as an app itself. This is more of my concern here, though the whole liability shift is good to know regarding tap or no tap (can we confirm that liability shift is the same here in Canada?).

I don't mean tinfoil levels of paranoia here about government or something, I just mean what happens if your app gets compromised with your cards on it?

Card data is usually stored in a secured environment (or protected by a key stored there) such as Samsung's TrustZone.

apseudonym posted:

Your phone is far more secure than your desktop, its fine really.

Absolutely this, even given that you're more likely to have an attacker with physical access to your phone.

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Pillbug

apseudonym posted:

Your phone is far more secure than your desktop, its fine really.

This. Unless you're running a rooted phone and installing a bunch of sketchy non-Play Store apps in which case stop doing that.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

pr0zac posted:

This. Unless you're running a rooted phone and installing a bunch of sketchy non-Play Store apps in which case stop doing that.

Android Pay refuses to work if it detects* a rooted phone right?

* We don't have to get into the discussion on how workable that is.

apseudonym
Feb 25, 2011

Lain Iwakura posted:

Android Pay refuses to work if it detects* a rooted phone right?

* We don't have to get into the discussion on how workable that is.

Yes*.



pr0zac posted:

This. Unless you're running a rooted phone and installing a bunch of sketchy non-Play Store apps in which case stop doing that.

Then you're at worst the same as your desktop :)

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017

Lain Iwakura posted:

You're overthinking this. Why are you concerned about your card getting compromised? There is no liability shift to you and if you're responsible with your payment cards then you should be aware of misuse.

Seriously. If you're typing your credit card number into various websites on a regular basis, you have more to worry about that than if you use a tap payment system. At least the tap payment system is standardised and controlled by the payment processor. You don't know if the merchant online as you enter your card is properly storing and transmitting information.

Just use it and enjoy it; I certainly do.

I've got no issues with tap systems, I use them on a regular basis with my card. I' m talking about specifically Android Pay, not tap systems.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Is there a way to see an event log for Firefox? I am having an issue where every now and then, my browser will go through several redirects and take me to some spam website. This is a fresh install of Windows 10, so I am not sure what it could be. But the redirect is too quick for me to see what websites are there, and nothing shows up in the browser history, and I'm hoping that the first website on the redirect will clue me in a little bit.

This also happens in Chrome as well. All of the websites I go to with regards to where the redirect ultimately ends up (searchlock nine times out of ten) tells me to remove malware, but every malware scanner I have tried comes up empty.

Quaint Quail Quilt
Jun 19, 2006


Ask me about that time I told people mixing bleach and vinegar is okay
See if there is anything weird looking with Hijackthis!
DNS server compromised?

Someone else will probably have better answer later...

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



If you had a case of malware on your computer the browser shortcuts in your taskbar, start menu and desktop may have been altered to include a malicious url.
Right-click the icon and go to the properties (if it's a pinned taskbar icon, right-click the Mozilla Firefox entry in the list that pops up). Then check in the Shortcut tab to see if the target doesn't have an url after the file path.

E: Same goes for Chrome and IE et al., for some reason malware removal tools never fix these real simple things. Maybe they're afraid of false positives. :shrug:

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boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Geemer posted:

If you had a case of malware on your computer the browser shortcuts in your taskbar, start menu and desktop may have been altered to include a malicious url.
Right-click the icon and go to the properties (if it's a pinned taskbar icon, right-click the Mozilla Firefox entry in the list that pops up). Then check in the Shortcut tab to see if the target doesn't have an url after the file path.

E: Same goes for Chrome and IE et al., for some reason malware removal tools never fix these real simple things. Maybe they're afraid of false positives. :shrug:

That isn't the issue. I don't think the issue is with my computer(s). I think it is my router, which is from Xfinity. I don't know how to troubleshoot a router having malware though.

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