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Paul MaudDib posted:Coffee Lake-X would be decent though. An i5 with 6/6 would be a whole different story. Intel  with i5 4/4, i7 6/6, i9 6/12 maybe
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Deuce posted:Intel More like some i5s that are 4/4; others that are 6/6 and i7s in both 4/8 and 6/12.
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Krailor posted:More like some i5s that are 4/4; others that are 6/6 and i7s in both 4/8 and 6/12. Makes no sense so I'm sure it's what intel will do.
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from a guy with a decent track record of proven leaks... this would also match the x43 multipliers shown in CPU-Z screenshotssweeper posted:6C/12T https://hardforum.com/threads/coffee-lake-lga-1151-6c-12t-launching-in-august-several-k-models-planned.1930226/page-16#post-1043127762 Other rumors suggest that the Z370 is a rebadge of Z270 and that the "new" Z390 chipset with integrated WiFi and USB 3.1 will follow months later. That would at least confirm backwards compatibility to Z270 for Coffee Lake (unless the people at Intel have lost their minds) eames fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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I forgot to take photos but I delided my 6700k using the rockit tool, it was pretty simple overall but still a bit nerve racking. I can see why people get such significant temp drops. The old TIM was super dry and there was about a 1/4 portion of the die that was barely covered at all. I ended up using thermal grizzly conductonaut and with some quick benches so far I am seeing about a 15-20C drop overall.
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So my brother had to replace his CPU fan and decided to just remove his whole heatsink to make it easier. He didn't know you needed to put new thermal compound on so he just slapped the heatsink back on and started gaming. He was complaining about 10-15 FPS and unplayable lag. He hadn't told me about the heatsink or I would have known the issue, so it had to wait until i was able to see him, about a month. Well, he's been playing dark souls this whole time and when I got there i noticed his CPU was idling at 95 C....  here's a pic. Somehow this thing still turns on.
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Sturdy little beasts, aren't they.
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Will that even clean up? 
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Intel could probably have a nice bump to their Q4 numbers if they simply subcontracted out professional delidding services with a retention of warranty. But then they'd have even less incentive to return to soldering.Fruit Chewy posted:Will that even clean up? AS5 might not be the baddest paste on the block anymore, but this poo poo still works: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100010 But time and  plus a microfiber cloth and high purity isopropyl would eat that poo poo off no problem.
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Fruit Chewy posted:Will that even clean up? We'll see. Getting some rubbing alcohol and a coffee filter
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Ah, a connoisseur of the "slap it back on there" thermal paste application method. See also: the "didn't remove sticker before using" master race, of both the CPU and GPU varieties
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Paul MaudDib posted:Ah, a connoisseur of the "slap it back on there" thermal paste application method. There's also gotta be at least one "left the plastic insert in, thinking it was the CPU" or "put the CPU on top/beneath the plastic insert and tried to close the bracket" guy. ----- Also, srs bns, but I think the 'rumors' of early Coffee Lake CPUs being compatible with Z170/270 boards is just some Engineering Sample jiggering. It's likely way cheaper for Intel to 'okay' certain release boards and custom-rig a new confidential alpha/beta BIOS for them for initial testing than it is to commission a limited number of OEM Z370 boards and send them out. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:Ah, a connoisseur of the "slap it back on there" thermal paste application method. I had a service tech one time who thought you had to apply the entire tube for every socket. That was a great mess to scrape out of an expensive dual-socket blade board.
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Also posted this in the AMD thread, why do we still not have a single CPU thread? Two threads about AdoredTVs latest video: https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/6ppse9/intel_anticompetitive_anticonsumer_antitechnology/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6pppdz/intels_antitrust_practices_since_the_1980s/
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Measly Twerp posted:Also posted this in the AMD thread, why do we still not have a single CPU thread? I think it's because nobody wants to make the OP. Maybe somebody should open some wiki style google doc so multiple people can work on a new CPU megathread? I'm not good with google docs or I'd do it.
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fwiw, I kinda like having 2 forum threads. One thread can get hyped about some new release, and the other thread can talk about other general hardware stuff that doesn't have a thread. Like, USB 3.2 got announced recently. They're going to open up a second "lane" in usb-c, doubling bandwidth to 20 Gbps for USB-C 3.2 gen2 x2 because this is how we do versioning now. http://www.usb.org/press/USB_3.2_PR_USB-IF_Final.pdf We're going to be even more crunched for internal bandwidth in the future.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Intel could probably have a nice bump to their Q4 numbers if they simply subcontracted out professional delidding services with a retention of warranty. But then they'd have even less incentive to return to soldering.
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Why are people so hyped about ryzen/threadripper? It seems competitive on paper, but if you look at benchmarks it has 7%-10% worse single core performance than a 6 year old intel architecture. Which is mostly what matters on the desktop. It's nowhere near competitive with recent intel stuff unless your life is encoding videos, and at that point intel has a better solution there too: buy used 10 core xeons for $70 each and put them in a dual socket motherboard. I have some mild hype because intel might release some 6 core+ chips at a competitive price to compete with the people easily duped into buying an inferior AMD product, but that's about it. I'm an AMD fanboy at heart, as everyone should be, but man who spends money on them anymore. 
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Khorne posted:Why are people so hyped about ryzen/threadripper? It seems competitive on paper, but if you look at benchmarks it has 7%-10% worse single core performance than a 6 year old intel architecture. Which is mostly what matters on the desktop. It's nowhere near competitive with the Kaby Lake X processor. source your press releases edit: your addition about "competitive price" is the point, AMD's CPUs here are slightly worse on performance but price also matters and they are absolutely competitive/winning on performance for the price
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Khorne posted:Why are people so hyped about ryzen/threadripper? It seems competitive on paper, but if you look at benchmarks it has 7%-10% worse single core performance than a 6 year old intel architecture. Which is mostly what matters on the desktop. It's nowhere near competitive with the Kaby Lake X processor. alternatively, SYQ Khorne posted:It's nowhere near competitive with recent intel stuff unless your life is encoding videos, and at that point intel has a better solution there too: buy used 10 core xeons for $70 each and put them in a dual socket motherboard. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Khorne posted:Why are people so hyped about ryzen/threadripper? It seems competitive on paper, but if you look at benchmarks it has 7%-10% worse single core performance than a 6 year old intel architecture. Which is mostly what matters on the desktop. It's nowhere near competitive with recent intel stuff unless your life is encoding videos, and at that point intel has a better solution there too: buy used 10 core xeons for $70 each and put them in a dual socket motherboard. Uh, what?
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Malloc Voidstar posted:source your press releases Anime Schoolgirl posted:Games are not the only thing that matters to people, hard as it may seem to believe. Anime Schoolgirl posted:Sure, people can afford 500 dollar used motherboards. PerrineClostermann posted:Uh, what? Khorne fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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I think we found the first person in the thread who actually bought a Skylake-X chip
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Khorne posted:Most things people do on the desktop are heavily bottlenecked by single core performance. Like...? Most people aren't gaming. Even the gamers don't spend the majority of their time in game.
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Khorne posted:Even things like ... compiling (even gcc with a favorable -j for the ryzen) will be dominated by a 4c with higher single core performance vs the 8c.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Like...? Most people aren't gaming. Even the gamers don't spend the majority of their time in game. Most people aren't running a ton of VMs with active cpus or hpc applications. Anime Schoolgirl posted:I think we found the first person in the thread who actually bought a Skylake-X chip
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Khorne posted:Like anything except encoding video? We're comparing a 4 core and 8 core processor here. TIL multitasking is single-threaded
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single core  Do you run windows XP by any chance? On something as not-recent as Windows 7 on a laptop I went from a 2c4t to a 4c8t and I could suddenly use Chrome and watch lovely anime at the same time.
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PerrineClostermann posted:TIL multitasking is single-threaded Combat Pretzel posted:Yeah, right. I want more cores too, but the cost of significant single core performance is too much. Khorne fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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I'm not even sure who he's preaching towards. It's almost a given that most people posting in this thread are more of the power user sort and can make use of a higher number of cores. Sometimes I dabble in video, rendering, I work with VMs and like to multitask like an idiot. The more cores, the merrier.Khorne posted:I mean, admittedly it depends what you are compiling and on a number of other factors. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Not everyone wants to buy used/warranties are cool and good also. New motherboards also support new features like M.2/NVME and USB C.
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Combat Pretzel posted:I'm not even sure who he's preaching towards. It's almost a given that most people posting in this thread are more of the power user sort and can make use of a higher number of cores. Sometimes I dabble in video, rendering, I work with VMs and like to multitask like an idiot. The more cores, the merrier. Then it got replaced by the 6800k which clocks 10% worse, 7% if you're lucky, and then the 7800k which we already went into length into
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Khorne posted:What do you expect people to be running? A Web Browser.
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PerrineClostermann posted:A Web Browser. Combat Pretzel posted:I'm not even sure who he's preaching towards. It's almost a given that most people posting in this thread are more of the power user sort and can make use of a higher number of cores. Sometimes I dabble in video, rendering, I work with VMs and like to multitask like an idiot. The more cores, the merrier. Video and rendering both make great use of more cores. VM stuff can also.
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That's not true anymore unless you're still using Firefox 24. All browsers these days will eat all and every core they want.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:That's not true anymore unless you're still using Firefox 24. All browsers these days will eat all and every core they want. I am a huge drat nerd who has hundreds of tabs open at any time like everyone else in the thread. NewFatMike posted:Not everyone wants to buy used/warranties are cool and good also. Khorne fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Khorne posted:The actual performance limiting code still runs single core. Your average, or even above average, javascript heavy site is not going to leverage parallelism very well at all.
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Chrome regularly takes up 20-40% of my CPU while I'm browsing and not doing intensive tasks. I recently slimmed down to 95 tabs. 2600k.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Except they do in Chrome. My lovely braswell student computer is significantly faster than a core m3 on loving Facebook. PerrineClostermann posted:Chrome regularly takes up 20-40% of my CPU while I'm browsing and not doing intensive tasks. I recently slimmed down to 95 tabs. 2600k. Khorne fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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