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Wanna buy a salvage boat? I'd take one for free and repair it. Personal yacht!
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GIP HURRICANE HUNTER KREW WHADDUP
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Sep 7, 2017 16:47
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Renowned bitch Kate Millett died. That article doesn't really get into all of the lovely stuff she did. Such as saying that the lady who tortured Sylbia Likens to death was just teaching her what it was like to be a woman. Or campaigning against sanitariums. If you ever wonder why mental health is so hosed up in the US it's partially the fault of Republicans who don't want to pay for anything, and partially the fauly of far left idiots like Millett who think it's never ok to involuntarily commit someone.
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Sep 7, 2017 16:52
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Currently waiting for gf to wrap up am drinking at bar If u haven't got poo poo from me on snap message me and say hi cause there's alot of you Lurkers 
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Sep 7, 2017 17:06
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Casimir Radon posted:Renowned bitch Kate Millett died. That article doesn't really get into all of the lovely stuff she did. Such as saying that the lady who tortured Sylbia Likens to death was just teaching her what it was like to be a woman. Or campaigning against sanitariums. If you ever wonder why mental health is so hosed up in the US it's partially the fault of Republicans who don't want to pay for anything, and partially the fauly of far left idiots like Millett who think it's never ok to involuntarily commit someone. Millet was someone who was involuntarily committed at least three different times, and mental health issues or not, involuntary commitment without any due process is absolute horseshit. It should not ever be legal to confine someone and force feed them lithium without at least some sort of a hearing. This is basic poo poo. Florida's Baker Act, for example, only allows involuntary commitment if you have a diagnosed mental illness and you're an imminent threat to yourself or others (basically either you're going to kill yourself or kill someone else). Even then you can only hold someone for 72 hours. Millett campaigned against indefinitely confinement, which is what she was facing herself. Our mental health system has never been great in this country, but to put Reagan's shame on the shoulders of people trying to reform is pointing the finger at the wrong party. Millett fought against loony bins being used as dumping points for family malcontents where people were just endlessly drugged and indefinitely confined against their will. Also you missed the entire point about the Sylvia. She was comparing her situation to the situation of women at large. Yes it was horrific, but was intended to portray that all women were the subject to insane abuses from society as a whole. You do realize that things like spousal rape laws did not exist in the 70s and that in many states it was impossible to even get a divorce. Many women were trapped in abusive homes in the same manner. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Sep 7, 2017 |
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Sep 7, 2017 17:08
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I'm not saying that you're wrong and I'm definitely not a Kate Millett expert, but you're going to have to do a lot better job explaining what she did that was wrong because your initial complaints have no basis if you actually take a look at the context.
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Sep 7, 2017 17:15
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Prop Wash posted:Yeah, I want to get hired too! I know you guys have navigators, and I'm a C-130 guy which is basically just an upside-down P-3 soooo USA Jobs would be the way for the civilian side. Which would be FE or any of the tech or mech positions. I think they usually require AMP or whatever that maintenance cert is. I'm a navigator, which, along with pilots is a NOAA Corps position. I had to interservice transfer from the navy into my position. It was very weird because NOAA Corps is like the asterisk of the uniformed services. We are super small so a spot only opens up every few years for pilot or nav positions. They'll definitely take guys from other services, we just happen to draw from the navy frequently because they have P-3s and we still maintain connections with those communities to get the word out and vet people.
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Sep 7, 2017 17:22
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This sounds extremely illegal to me https://twitter.com/NBCPhiladelphia/status/905797580277391361
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Sep 7, 2017 17:34
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School systems in the US operate largely extra judiciously due to a supreme court ruling that basically makes them parents of students during the school day.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:
Isn't this a net positive? In theory, not practice or execution.
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Sep 7, 2017 17:37
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:Isn't this a net positive? The debt ceiling was used as a budgetary tool until the 70s, and from then until 1995 was completely ignored because it was a useless anachronism at that point. It was always understood to just go up when a budget was passed. It wasn't until republicans started using it in 1995 ultimately leading to multiple government shutdowns that it was even mentioned. It serves no purpose in a modern context outside of a way for congress to grind government to a complete halt.
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Yeah, it's a net positive in the end but also really God drat transparent that they're hideous rear end goblins that only ever gave a gently caress about it when they could use it to scream at the black guy. Yes getting rid of it will be good because they can force the loony bin rejects that compose their party to stop putting a gun to the world economy head, but democrats have been asking for an end to exactly that kind of lunacy for loving years. No brownie points for fixing the problem after years of exploiting it to dick over the other guys and now being afraid of your name being on the consequences more than you are the consequences.
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Wonder Free posted:USA Jobs would be the way for the civilian side. Which would be FE or any of the tech or mech positions. I think they usually require AMP or whatever that maintenance cert is. Dang. That sounds like it's nearly impossible for me coming off the streets. Then again, there isn't like a billion prior FE's in the world either.
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Sep 7, 2017 17:50
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Betsy DeVos is rolling back Title IX sexual assault guidelines, because reasons.
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shyduck posted:Betsy DeVos is rolling back Title XI sexual assault guidelines, because reasons. "Currently colleges better service the victim and not the accused"
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:
I'll loving believe this is exactly what will happen and it's not a case of "If you vote to gut Social Security, we'll stop putting a gun to our own head forever" deal when it happens.
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Nick Soapdish posted:"Currently colleges better service the victim and not the accused" Colleges have a bad problem with the accused winning lawsuits against them under the same title because when random public college administrators play pretend police detective or prosecutor they're really terrible at it. One of those "wait how did you possibly find a way to make things worse" situations.
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shyduck posted:Betsy DeVos is rolling back Title IX sexual assault guidelines, because reasons. Despite outward appearances, this is actually probably a good thing. This article details why: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/
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Sep 7, 2017 18:11
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All this means is more people like Ken Starr are going to be able to systematically cover up rape and other abuses at their schools. The problem of a few schools overreacting to handling rape and sexual assault is not to roll back protections and guidelines in place.
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Mr. Nice! posted:All this means is more people like Ken Starr are going to be able to systematically cover up rape and other abuses at their schools. The problem of a few schools overreacting to handling rape and sexual assault is not to roll back protections and guidelines in place. No, it means that schools have to have more than a preponderance of evidence before they go ruining people's lives based upon hearsay and force them to provide due process for the accused.
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You're both probably right tbh People are lovely and will continue to be lovely.
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Waroduce posted:Currently waiting for gf to wrap up am drinking at bar What's your name on Snapchat?
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psydude posted:No, it means that schools have to have more than a preponderance of evidence before they go ruining people's lives based upon hearsay and force them to provide due process for the accused.  if you seriously think that anything like that is going to happen. That article you posted is full of outliers (that will reach eventual resolution in courts) while systematic poo poo like baylor has been going on for decades. The solution to fix the problem you're presenting isn't to scrap the whole system. You just issue guidance to change the evidentiary standard. That isn't what is happening here.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I'm not saying that you're wrong and I'm definitely not a Kate Millett expert, but you're going to have to do a lot better job explaining what she did that was wrong because your initial complaints have no basis if you actually take a look at the context. Yeah, that post is in the " presumptively MRA foamer" box without more.
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Also any guy whose life is "ruined" by rape accusations was probably acting in a rapey way even if they don't realize it. Yes, there is a rare case of false accusation, but that is by and far a statistical outlier and policy should never be governed by the outliers. There are so many legitimate assaults that go unreported because of the immense pressure and backlash to not "ruin someone's life." Women you personally know have been sexually assaulted and will probably never tell you or anyone else about it. I'm not saying that Obama implementation was perfect. I agree that the evidentiary standard should probably be higher than preponderance before sanctions are put in place. The title IX guidelines, though, covered a whole hell of a lot more than that and were an attempt to curtail massive problems at campuses across the nation.
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youve got schools actively serving up their female students as an all you can rape buffet but lol the problem is the accused getting a bad name
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Maybe a university administration was not designed and does not have the training and systems in place to fully investigate and then pass judgement on what can be complex encounters between two or more people who most likely have just left home and are living on their own for the first time. Furthermore maybe an institution investigating itself or one of the programs that draws a large amount of money to the school for misconduct might not be the best way to move forward.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Also any guy whose life is "ruined" by rape accusations was probably acting in a rapey way even if they don't realize it. So they were asking for it, basically.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Also any guy whose life is "ruined" by rape accusations was probably acting in a rapey way even if they don't realize it. Yes, there is a rare case of false accusation, but that is by and far a statistical outlier and policy should never be governed by the outliers. There are so many legitimate assaults that go unreported because of the immense pressure and backlash to not "ruin someone's life." Women you personally know have been sexually assaulted and will probably never tell you or anyone else about it. Hey that's a great blanket statement and all, but it doesn't mean we deny people due process. You can provide protections for victims without also trampling on the rights of the accused.
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lightpole posted:Maybe a university administration was not designed and does not have the training and systems in place to fully investigate and then pass judgement on what can be complex encounters between two or more people who most likely have just left home and are living on their own for the first time. Furthermore maybe an institution investigating itself or one of the programs that draws a large amount of money to the school for misconduct might not be the best way to move forward.  that's what the guidance that was rescinded was supposed to facilitate. It provided details on how to handle and conduct investigations and included training material and FAQs.psydude posted:Hey that's a great blanket statement and all, but it doesn't mean we deny people due process. You can provide protections for victims without also trampling on the rights of the accused. I agree we shouldn't deny people due process. This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, though.
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I received a lot of training materials and faqs on suicide prevention but I sure as gently caress wouldn't want me within 100 miles of someone's suicidal ideations because I only half rear end paid attention and did the bare minimum.
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Mr. Nice! posted:
Except it really didn't provide much guidance at all: quote:The letter defined sexual violence requiring university investigation broadly to include “rape, sexual assault, sexual battery, and sexual coercion,” with no definitions provided. It also characterized sexually harassing behavior as “any unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature,” including remarks. Schools were told to investigate any reports of possible sexual misconduct, including those that came from a third party and those in which the alleged victim refused to cooperate. (Paradoxically, they were also told to defer to alleged victims’ wishes, creating no small amount of confusion among administrators.) The whole thing probably shouldn't be thrown out (especially the support for victims), but it needs some serious reworking when it comes to guidance for investigations. psydude fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 7, 2017 |
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:I received a lot of training materials and faqs on suicide prevention but I sure as gently caress wouldn't want me within 100 miles of someone's suicidal ideations because I only half rear end paid attention and did the bare minimum. This is the part I am a little uncomfortable with. I have training in numerous situations but very little experience. The outliers or poorly handled cases appear to be due to a lack of experience, poor training, poor procedure etc throughout the system. It was still an effort in the right direction. I just had to do a ~90 minute online course on sexual harassmen/assault before grad school so that's changed at least in the last ten years.
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Due process is good, even for troublesome people who may have mental health issues and people accused of particularly horrible and difficult to prove crimes.
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I guess the part that irks me is that it's structurally similar to the military's ineffectual sexual assault prevention system. They're forcing wholly unqualified people to perform investigations into criminal matters.
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cowboy elvis posted:Dang. That sounds like it's nearly impossible for me coming off the streets. The last ones we have hired have been ground pounders that were former FEs. They did crew chief stuff for awhile and then when a spot opened up they wound up getting brought on to fly. Really more out of desperation than anything else - we are very small and only run two P3 crews, so we are only billeted for 4 FEs. A lot of them are older and already retired from the navy many years before, so if they run into issues with their FAA medical stuff, we have to scramble or fly short staffed. We are using a contractor from Wiley? Or whoever it is that supplies FEs to det Dallas for this storm series. I'll put the word out if they are looking again, someone is always in medical limbo these days it seems.
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psydude posted:Except it really didn't provide much guidance at all: That's the letter in the article you're talking about. The guidance that DeVos is tossing is a 53 page document.
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