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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Wheat Loaf posted:

Why did this silly feud start again?

Katy hired away three of Taylor's backup dancers mid-tour.

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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Pinterest Mom posted:

Katy hired away three of Taylor's backup dancers mid-tour.

Truly the greatest betrayal ever known. Who among us would not react the same way?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Look, band-aids don't fix bullet holes.

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


There's also the Kanye-Taylor feud, where Kanye interrupted her VMA speech in 2009 (which was an rear end in a top hat thing to do) and then last year Taylor apparently lied about giving her blessing for a lyric of his (which was also an rear end in a top hat thing to do).

You'd think at this point they'd just call it even.

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

ninjahedgehog posted:

There's also the Kanye-Taylor feud, where Kanye interrupted her VMA speech in 2009 (which was an rear end in a top hat thing to do) and then last year Taylor apparently lied about giving her blessing for a lyric of his (which was also an rear end in a top hat thing to do).

You'd think at this point they'd just call it even.

I don't actually believe this, but I would not be surprised to eventually find out that there was never any beef between Kanye & Taylor. Or that it was manufactured for publicity by the two of them.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

MrSargent posted:

I don't actually believe this, but I would not be surprised to eventually find out that there was never any beef between Kanye & Taylor. Or that it was manufactured for publicity by the two of them.

Nah, I think the two inciting incidents were pretty genuine. Kanye was in a pretty dark place in 2009 and I think him interrupting Taylor led to a big change in how he functioned (and also to his best album), and I definitely don't think that Taylor would let herself be embarrassed like she was after Kim showed the world that video.

I think they both played the publicity that they got from it to their advantage, Kanye really leaned into the "I'm an rear end in a top hat" thing for MBDTF and Taylor definitely excels when there's someone she can say is oppressing her or whatever (see also: Mayer, John, or Jonas, Nick). And I think until Famous came out they were actually genuinely friendly for a little while. They just have good PR people who know how to work that poo poo into gold.

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
Yah I didn't necessarily mean that those incidents were staged, but more that neither of them were actually that mad at each other but agreed to milk the publicity together in a never-ending cycle.

Again, I don't really believe this, I just wouldn't be shocked if it ended up being true.

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

I think Taylor's issue is more with Kim than Kanye

foolish_fool
Jul 22, 2010
I would like to hear a swift album produced by west. That would be epic. So, I hope the feud is all fake (but it seems like it probably isn't).

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004

foolish_fool posted:

I would like to hear a swift album produced by west. That would be epic.

I never needed anything more in my life than this

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

foolish_fool posted:

I would like to hear a swift album produced by west. That would be epic. So, I hope the feud is all fake (but it seems like it probably isn't).
That’d be loving absurd and wonderful. Too bad it’s not likely at all, at least for the time being.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


You're about to see her everywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k_z0t2WCuA

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
It's absolutely crazy that Emma's EP was featured on screen as part of the Apple event man. Her stuff is pretty good but still trying to be Hayley Williams a lil much.

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

I like that song but that video makes me hate her.

e: Also, it's way more derivative of Lights-era Ellie Goulding than Hayley Williams.

Truther Vandross fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Sep 13, 2017

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Max Landis is trying to come at Queen CRJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCFh0lJ-WAg

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Escobarbarian posted:

It's absolutely crazy that Emma's EP was featured on screen as part of the Apple event man. Her stuff is pretty good but still trying to be Hayley Williams a lil much.

i dunno that same presentation had a phone that was listening to Scum gently caress Flower Boy so

Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCFh0lJ-WAg

noted son-of-a-helicopter-murderer/screenwriter Max Landis tried music criticism on for size, and because he is a weirdo, he couched it as him being a crazy person discovering a pattern instead of just, you know, music theory.

edit: dammit i should have known that someone else would find that before i did

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Since I'm just nuts enough to try and extract something useful from the Carly-Bomber's Manifesto, I did a thing.

So in Max Landis' weirdo living document he basically breaks down each and every Carly Rae Jepsen song (and I do mean every, considering he looked up songs on Youtube from when she was like 16 that have barely 1k hits) into about seven different major themes:

TEMPTATION
OBSESSION
LIMERENCE
SECRETS
ESCAPE
REJECTION
MISERY/LONGING

This roughly follows a pattern you might see in a relationship. You see someone and want them, think about them all the time, have that great feeling when you're just falling in love, maybe have to keep it secret for some reason, want to get away from everything because of those secrets, end the relationship because the two of you want different things/feel differently towards each other, and then finally feel really lovely for a while. The songs on Emotion aren't in this order in the least, but if you take the songs from Emotion, the bonus tracks and Side B, and toss in her newest single, her most popular single, and one other song CRJ was featured on that I felt really made the narrative sing (no pun intended), you can roughly map out The Story Of Whatever Dummy Broke Carly Rae Jepsen's Heart (as told by Carly Rae Jepsen):

Prologue: Meet Cute
Call Me Maybe: Meets a guy, wants to see him more, gives him her number.

Act 1: Honeymoon Period
I Really Like You: Starts hanging out on the reg, not in love but drat close.
The One: Still denying she's in love, but basically spending all her time with the dude.
Favorite Colour: They are close emotionally.
Warm Blood: They are close physically.
Higher: She realizes just how great this guy makes her feel.
Cut to the Feeling: She comes out and says that she wants to be in a genuine relationship.

Act 2: The Secret
I Didn't Just Come Here to Dance: They go out to have a good time at the club.
Let's Get Lost: Leave the club, just drive around for a while.
Making the Most of the Night: He's not entirely feeling it, but she keeps pushing.
Body Language: She starts to get confused and doesn't really know how he feels about her.
Black Heart: She keeps pushing him because she loves him and he doesn't seem to.
LA Hallucinations: The reason he's not feeling her is because his level of fame precludes having a normal life/relationship.
All That: She tells him that she will always be supportive of him when he is feeling down.

Act 3: On Shaky Ground
Gimme Love: She can't stop thinking about the guy.
Run Away With Me: She wants to escape all of the troubles of life and just be with him.
Cry: She is fed up that he won't open up to her.
Boy Problems: She talks to her friend, who tells her that he's more trouble than he's worth.
Never Get To Hold You: She is sad that she doesn't see this guy as much as she wants.

Act 4: The End
Fever: The relationship hits a rough patch, she stays with a friend for a few days and kinda stalks the guy.
Love Me Like That (song from The Knocks' album 55): Like a bolt of lightning, she realizes that the relationship will neer be two people equally in love with each other.
Store: She bails.
When I Needed You: She tells him why she bailed.

Act 5: Life Doesn't Go On
Emotion: She hopes he misses her.
Roses: They somewhat reconcile and agree to be friends, though she is still hurting.
Your Type: She still loves him, even though he will never feel the same.
Love Again: She tells herself that she will learn to love again (natch)

Epilogue: Begin Again
First Time: The cycle begins anew, with each new relationship that fails still carrying the weight of a first relationship.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
uh

is this a really weird way to talk about his new favourite singer or what

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Tired Moritz posted:

uh

is this a really weird way to talk about his new favourite singer or what

It's Landis. What else do you expect?

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004
So the “big revelation” is that a pop singer sings about relationships?

COLOR ME SUPRISED :aaaaa:

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Is he trying to poo poo on everyone for liking a singer he doesn't like? I don't really understand. Seriously can't tell if this is meant to be positive or negative hahah

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Every time Max Landis gets mentioned, I am always reminded that Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor in Batman v Superman was likely based on him.

edit:
I just found out that Kesha wrote this Britney Spears song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzU9OrZlKb8

The MSJ fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Sep 14, 2017

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Escobarbarian posted:

Is he trying to poo poo on everyone for liking a singer he doesn't like? I don't really understand. Seriously can't tell if this is meant to be positive or negative hahah

Nah, he makes clear that he really likes CRJ and the music in general, so it's not mean or anything like that, it's just illl-conceived, heavy-handed and obnoxious.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Celebrities sure have strange ways of asking each other out.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Josh Lyman posted:

Celebrities sure have strange ways of asking each other out.

He's just hoping that this is enough that she'll call him. Maybe.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

RevKrule posted:

He's just hoping that this is enough that she'll call him. Maybe.

hey, i've just heard of you
and i'm real crazy
read this manifesto
then call me maybe

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

DC Murderverse posted:

hey, i've just heard of you
and i'm real crazy
read this manifesto
then call me maybe


:golfclap:

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
This isn't really "new" music but its something I have just discovered thanks to my wife. She was always a huge Hanson fan growing up and still follows them today. She played me a bunch of songs from them on a road trip last weekend and they have made some incredibly good pop songs. In particular, "Georgia" and "Penny and Me" are really great. When I was growing up in the 90's, obviously Mmmbop was insanely popular but Hanson was kind of looked at as a joke when they are actually insanely talented musicians and songwriters.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
crj is really good at writing relationship songs. let's get lost get too close to my heart.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

MrSargent posted:

This isn't really "new" music but its something I have just discovered thanks to my wife. She was always a huge Hanson fan growing up and still follows them today. She played me a bunch of songs from them on a road trip last weekend and they have made some incredibly good pop songs. In particular, "Georgia" and "Penny and Me" are really great. When I was growing up in the 90's, obviously Mmmbop was insanely popular but Hanson was kind of looked at as a joke when they are actually insanely talented musicians and songwriters.

Hanson owns. I saw them live at Disney World a couple years ago and they did a loving killer cover of I Believe in a Thing Called Love. And they've just kept truckin' in the industry even though 90% of people would just recognize them for Mmmbop. Their fans are dedicated as hell too. I knew someone in college whose birthday present was tickets to a few different Hanson concerts in cities within driving distance of where we were.

edit: also Middle of Nowhere was the first CD I ever owned. I got it when I got a DiscMan for my birthday when I turned like, 6.

edit2: also Taylor Hanson made an album with Adam Schlesinger (of Fountains of Wayne and Writing A poo poo Load Of Amazing Power Pop Songs fame), the guitarist from Smashing Pumpkins and the drummer from Cheap Trick in a supergroup called Tinted Windows that is one of the best, most pure power pop albums ever. This is the good poo poo right here.

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Sep 14, 2017

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

DC Murderverse posted:

Hanson owns. I saw them live at Disney World a couple years ago and they did a loving killer cover of I Believe in a Thing Called Love. And they've just kept truckin' in the industry even though 90% of people would just recognize them for Mmmbop. Their fans are dedicated as hell too. I knew someone in college whose birthday present was tickets to a few different Hanson concerts in cities within driving distance of where we were.

edit: also Middle of Nowhere was the first CD I ever owned. I got it when I got a DiscMan for my birthday when I turned like, 6.

edit2: also Taylor Hanson made an album with Adam Schlesinger (of Fountains of Wayne and Writing A poo poo Load Of Amazing Power Pop Songs fame), the guitarist from Smashing Pumpkins and the drummer from Cheap Trick in a supergroup called Tinted Windows that is one of the best, most pure power pop albums ever. This is the good poo poo right here.

Dude thank you for sharing this, if my wife doesn't know about it (she probably does), the Tinted Windows album would be a great gift for her.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Don't follow Max Landis.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Tired Moritz posted:

crj is really good at writing relationship songs. let's get lost get too close to my heart.
She didn't just come here to dance.

If you know what she means.

Do you know what she means?

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy
The max Landis CRJ thing is really, offensively bad. I know that's probably obvious but I'm really mad I wasted my time reading all that bullshit so I need to vent. Here is a small sampling of why it sucks:

1. The way he arrogantly frames his analysis of pop music as being something new and bizarre that's never been done before. "Oh isn't it funny how I'm closely reading into pop music lyrics. Everyone else just sings along to the radio and doesn't pay attention to the words, but not me!" As if pop music critique hasn't existed for basically as long as the art form itself.

2. The way he picks and chooses elements to suit his narrative that Jepsen ONLY sings about these certain subjects, while quickly dismissing anything that doesn't fit the pattern as just an abberation, or simply ignoring it.

3. The way he denies Jepsen any kind of agency, and thinks this pattern in her songwriting must be some kind of accident, or a cry for help spurred by some deep emotional issues. As if she couldn't just be trying to maintain a consistent brand and continue to deliver to the taste of the audience that made her famous.

4. The actually offensive way that he suggests his obsessive critique could perhaps be an early symptom of schizophrenia or other mental illness. As if the inane, obvious observations he's making MUST be coming from some deeper place in the human psyche rather than the musings of a mediocre white guy


Also he puts 2 spaces after the end of a sentence and I hate that.

Athletic Footjob
Sep 24, 2005
Grimey Drawer
I hope Carly deliberately writes different music from now on just to piss him off.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
please don't ask her to do a taylor swift pls

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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Tired Moritz posted:

please don't ask her to do a taylor swift pls

This guy right here gets it. Separate Carly Rae from this dumb poo poo. She and Kesha have taken the reins of sugary revenge​pop while Katy and Taylor battle over who's woker about white feminism and who can sing less badly.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Fall Out Boy released a new song - The Last Of The Real Ones - and it's a billion times better than the other two songs released from their new album so far. It's more of a rock song but given they're totally a pop band overall these days I'd say it deserves to be in here

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

QuickbreathFinisher posted:

This guy right here gets it. Separate Carly Rae from this dumb poo poo. She and Kesha have taken the reins of sugary revenge​pop while Katy and Taylor battle over who's woker about white feminism and who can sing less badly.

Katy Perry's always going to have those abysmal live covers of "Don't Stop Me Now" against her but does Taylor Swift any really outstandingly bad vocal performances on record?

I remember that country music crossover show she did with Def Leppard (!) about 10 (!) years ago where she sang "Pour Some Sugar One Me" and thinking, "Ohhhhh, she's not doing a great job with this," but I attributed it to her being about 18 and the vocal part of that song having maybe five different notes.

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less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
Brand new CRJ music video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o97_jDomyqc

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