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shame on an IGA posted:Dallas PD already did though A glorified RC car and autonomous are very different propositions though .
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Apparently Argentina lost a sub. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.1b788774b67f
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Plinkey posted:Apparently Argentina lost a sub. And I just found out Argentina has subs. Serving on an Argentinian submarine sounds like one of the worst postings in existence, next to serving on an early soviet nuclear sub.
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And the navy hit something again. http://abcnews.go.com/US/us-warship-collides-japanese-tug-boat-latest-mishap/story?id=51242298
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Don Gato posted:And I just found out Argentina has subs. Serving on an Argentinian submarine sounds like one of the worst postings in existence, next to serving on an early soviet nuclear sub. Could be on a North Korean sub...
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Plinkey posted:Apparently Argentina lost a sub. Maybe they will be found at the bottom awaiting dramatic rescue minutes before their oxygen runs out/CO2 kills em.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:Could be on a North Korean sub... An early Russian sub modified by less technically competent and engineers and operated by less competently trained crew? Yeah, that’s worse. At least Argentina has access to first world assistance for maintenance and training.
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The sub was made in Germany in the 80s or 90s iirc. German diesel-electric subs are pretty good if you're a navy on a budget that just needs coastal defense stuff, not full blown boomers. Now, what two decades in Argentine service implies I have no idea.
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 The sub in question at a jaunty angle.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:Could be on a North Korean sub... At least the military is the first priority of the North Korean government. Don't imagine Argentina gives as many fucks as the Koreans do.
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xthetenth posted:
I thought drydocks had done away with careening. 
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xthetenth posted:
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I read that they've detected "failed satellite calls" from the sub on Saturday morning, local time. Would I be correct in assuming that they have a buoy with enough cable that they could run it to the surface to try and contact people, or would they need to be surfaced to do that?
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I can almost guarantee this is a case of everyone on the sub saying "Jesus Christ this thing is not seaworthy" and being ordered out anyway See also: USS Iowa turret incident, Bud Holland
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Nov 19, 2017 04:39
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Memento posted:I read that they've detected "failed satellite calls" from the sub on Saturday morning, local time. Would I be correct in assuming that they have a buoy with enough cable that they could run it to the surface to try and contact people, or would they need to be surfaced to do that? I have no idea about the Argentine navy, but my vague understanding is that these buoys are usually self-ejecting and untethered.
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Captain von Trapp posted:I have no idea about the Argentine navy, but my vague understanding is that these buoys are usually self-ejecting and untethered. assuming you don't weld the port shut so that you don't have to worry about one ejecting on accident during a real mission  In fact, investigators learned that Kursk had been deployed to the Mediterranean during the summer of 1999 to monitor the U.S. fleet responding to the Kosovo War. Russian navy officers feared that the buoy might accidentally deploy, revealing the submarine's position to the U.S. fleet. They ordered the buoy to be disabled and it was still inoperative when the sub sank.
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IIRC there was a article recently about how the Argentine air force lost more aircraft to neglect during the Kirchner period than in the Falklands war, so I can't imagine their navy being in a better state.
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That would be impressive if true. They lost almost all their planes in the war.
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North Korea appears to be working on ballistic missile subs.
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Arms control wonk did a nice multi part podcast on them.
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C.M. Kruger posted:IIRC there was a article recently about how the Argentine air force lost more aircraft to neglect during the Kirchner period than in the Falklands war, so I can't imagine their navy being in a better state. So did the RN, for that matter.
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Yeah, looking at the actual British Falkands losses continue to surprise me, given what a victory it's touted as
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simplefish posted:Yeah, looking at the actual British Falkands losses continue to surprise me, given what a victory it's touted as Never underestimate the British propensity to get all  when it comes to ~preserving the Empire~ (or rather what's left of it  ).
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C.M. Kruger posted:IIRC there was a article recently about how the Argentine air force lost more aircraft to neglect during the Kirchner period than in the Falklands war, so I can't imagine their navy being in a better state. The navy is in an equally parlous state, they get almost no sea time and training. Old ships, short of spares, expired ammo, almost no sea lift capacity. The UK fleet is smaller than it was, but in terms of relative capabilites the Argentinian navy had fallen like a stone.
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Sperglord posted:A counter argument: Thats how you get there, I think people need to be able to show some problem everyone has that just cant be solved by anything but a robot like self driving cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PIJKE5KMtU They're now in testing in the real world, with non-engineer users (Tesla autopilot on a widescale, Waymo on a small scale). It got there in only 10 years after the first "semi real world" test because at that point everyone said "this will let people not have to drive themselves" and it became obvious that the first people to monopolize parts of this (then) very small market will be rich. Whats that for a robot that tries to be a human? The alternative only costs about $20/hr for businesses and can do very advanced tasks. How can it improve the mass market?
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CarForumPoster posted:Thats how you get there, I think people need to be able to show some problem everyone has that just cant be solved by anything but a robot like self driving cars: Tesla’s autopilot is not “driverless” testing “on a wide scale.” It’s adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist, and if you have a HW2 car it’s functionally not even as good older ones with off-the-shelf hardware. GM/Cruise and Waymo are the ones leading this pack, not Tesla. Despite what the internet fanbois think.
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drgitlin posted:Tesla’s autopilot is not “driverless” testing “on a wide scale.” It’s adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist, and if you have a HW2 car it’s functionally not even as good older ones with off-the-shelf hardware. See I'm not really talking about self driving cars, I am saying they're here in only ~10 years since the first hacked-together tests because they're hugely useful to humans. They solve a problem for every human being that cannot be solved in any other way. Why are human-like robots hugely useful? Re autonomous cars, I dont really care who wins however the following things are facts: -Regular users who use autopilot provide information back to Tesla that are intended to be used in fully self driving cars. -Tesla has "full driver-less hardware" currently in a huge variety of climates and use cases, which will help them test reliability and what happens when some are degraded. This is the best kind of risk reduction. -Tesla has released a video of a fully self driving car prototype operating in a real environment scenario. You should consider who of us is the "fanboi"
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You made a statement that was, at best, a gross exaggeration and got called on it. Get your panties unbunched and move on.
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Came for the airpower, stayed for the software developer slapfight
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simplefish posted:Yeah, looking at the actual British Falkands losses continue to surprise me, given what a victory it's touted as I'm not sure i've ever heard anyone touting it as a walkover, and I'm British.
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Being an Argentinian pilot during the war must've been crazy. On the one hand they managed some major successes, but the casualty rate was pretty bleak. e: I had a link to a paper here that seemed good but upon reading it it doesn't seem to add much over the wikipedia article aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Nov 19, 2017 |
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Falklands are definitely an edge case but has there been any other war where casualties exceeded the population of the disputed territory? Both sides combined totaled 904 KIA and 2,435 wounded over a 1980 census of 1,823 residents
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shame on an IGA posted:Falklands are definitely an edge case but has there been any other war where casualties exceeded the population of the disputed territory? Probably depends on whether you count "before" or "after" population.
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feedmegin posted:I'm not sure i've ever heard anyone touting it as a walkover, and I'm British. If the Argentinian Excocets had warheads that were just a little more reliable or at least as reliable as they were advertised it would have been Tsushima part deux.
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Throatwarbler posted:If the Argentinian Excocets had warheads that were just a little more reliable or at least as reliable as they were advertised it would have been Tsushima part deux. I don't think that was the case. They hit with three out of three or four air launched missiles launched, and 1 for 1 with the truck launched one. There were a large number of bombs that did not detonate, and the count of sunk or damaged British ships would have been much higher if their fusing issues were solved.
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simplefish posted:Yeah, looking at the actual British Falkands losses continue to surprise me, given what a victory it's touted as "A drat close-run thing" would seem to be a realistic quote by the commander of the British land forces. The Black Buck missions are fascinating - an amazing achievement but with generally minimal military impact. Usually overlooked, though, is the propaganda and morale effect it had at the time (this is from personal observation rather than any academic research).
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feedmegin posted:I'm not sure i've ever heard anyone touting it as a walkover, and I'm British. Edit: Ninja'd by Clarence, right down to the same Wellington quote. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Nov 19, 2017 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:Probably depends on whether you count "before" or "after" population. Also on how you define casualties. I can imagine that between 1939, 1944-45, and the intervening holocaust parts of Poland saw total deaths that exceeded pre-war populations. edit: yeah, Sobibor alone was a small village near a rail spur before the extermination camp was set up there, many multiple times the population of the surrounding countryside was killed at that camp. Plus I imagine there are dozens of individual battles (if you want to restrict it to purely military actions) where two armies killed the gently caress out of each other near a nothing-sized town. Fast googling shows Gettysburg had 2400 inhabitants in 1863 so that's an easy one right there. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Nov 19, 2017 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Also on how you define casualties. I can imagine that between 1939, 1944-45, and the intervening holocaust parts of Poland saw total deaths that exceeded pre-war populations. Yeah there are shitloads of small towns in France where the same is true too (and the towns themselves don't exist anymore either).
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Fearless posted:Yeah there are shitloads of small towns in France where the same is true too (and the towns themselves don't exist anymore either). Oradour-sur-Glane at night is creepy as hell. Or so I've heard.
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