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King Burgundy posted:##vote Keane Wouldn't be a game alongside KB if KB wasn't wrong about my alignment. TMMadman posted:I do not know what you are right now, but I have a slight scum lean because as I've said, I've been through your history and I'm the only person you've called scum. It's a holiday weekend with a lot of words. Nobody has posted about you outside of me and I will continue to bang the dram until this is addressed.
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King Burgundy posted:To be clear, your leader also asked for your top 3 scum reads and you ignored that, and have continued to float. Oh, I didn't see your post about the scum reads. Let me revise my statement then. Yes, I am refusing to comply to force this issue, I have no king, all monarchs are tyrants.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:09
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CCKeane posted:Wouldn't be a game alongside KB if KB wasn't wrong about my alignment. And you are free to do so, just like I will continue to point out that you are still ignoring the request by now multiple people to provide other scum reads.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:10
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To be clear here, you can say I'm annoying and that I'm being a jerk, which is fine, but also doesn't address my points on TMM, and me being annoying is largely alignment neutral. Letting the conversation veer into compliance/non-compliance does not address scumminess/towniess.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:11
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Hey FL! Glad you’re not subbing out Nothing since my last post makes me doubt or change my previous scum reads, but for clarity, in descending order of confidence: pmush, quid, gotg I’m probably least confident about GotG. The post I quoted still sounds scummy as hell to me, but I’m having trouble following other peoples’ cases. Quid and PMush both sound like scum who are doing weak (quid) and really bad (pmush) jobs of posting around irl problems. I’m fine with my vote where it is atm.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:12
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PMush Perfect posted:Okay, deadline tomorrow, guess I better start at least trying to play. How does being on a phone prevent you from reading some, but not all of the thread? This needs an explanation because with my understanding of phones and somethingawful, this isn't a thing that is possible. PMush Perfect posted:I don't even know what my votecount is (still on mobile), but this is a 25 player game, still a day away from deadline. Why would I fake claim to save myself NOW? Do you not know that you can click the votefinder image on the first page and be brought to the current votecount? PMush Perfect posted:This stopped being fun pretty much the moment I got banished to mobile. It's less convenient to post on a phone, and if you're juggling spreadsheets it can be damned near impossible. Do you have the Awful app or no? It makes it easier for sure. (This is mostly for Quid's benefit, but also contains questions that need good answers for me to think of PMush as town)
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Jan 2, 2018 19:14
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TMMadman posted:And you are free to do so, just like I will continue to point out that you are still ignoring the request by now multiple people to provide other scum reads. Again, look at this post: TMM is using compliance as a mark of scumminess/a means of dismissing my case. This isn't a statement on alignment, really. Now, let's also play the reverse here, since I got the attention of some folks: If I *DID* make a list and give through cases on others, who would grant me the reverse, a through read on TMM?
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Jan 2, 2018 19:15
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CCKeane posted:Again, look at this post: TMM is using compliance as a mark of scumminess/a means of dismissing my case. This isn't a statement on alignment, really. Post your damned scum picks and I'll read TMM.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:15
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CCKeane posted:To be clear here, you can say I'm annoying and that I'm being a jerk, which is fine, but also doesn't address my points on TMM, and me being annoying is largely alignment neutral. I'm not saying you are being annoying. I'm saying that you are directly avoiding giving scum reads other than to say that I'm scum. As far as I can tell from your history, your reads are: TMM: scum Gamer: town Kash: maybe town? Like literally that's about all I remember of them. That's pretty odd for someone who is trying to say that I'm being open with my reads.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:15
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50 pounds of bread posted:This is a lot of signal for a day 1, I'm not really sure about what to do, but I'd vote for hats. Gun to your head, who are your top 3 scum? Hats and?
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Jan 2, 2018 19:17
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Post your damned scum picks and I'll read TMM. Thanks, you're a pal.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:18
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Still stuck on mobile. Hoping it was just that they didn't fix it over a holiday weekend. The alternative is that the modem is busted. I welcome death. (Also lol at TG still banging on about the case on me like five pages after I last posted.)
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Jan 2, 2018 19:18
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Wait so is your vote on CC real, KB? Or just you being annoyed
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Jan 2, 2018 19:20
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PMush Perfect posted:Still stuck on mobile. Hoping it was just that they didn't fix it over a holiday weekend. The alternative is that the modem is busted. Since you're here, you know you're the vote leader right? Hell, even KB wasn't sure where you were coming from when you said you couldn't read all of the thread on your phone.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:21
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TMM, Slaan, GeneX, Chaos as a maybe. I'm clear on TMM, Gene's listing of me came after other people mentioned me, and the reasoning is questionable because Gene is using meta to craft an argument, but has not seen my town game until this one. Slaan gave me a gut bounce and I'll find that post in a bit. Chaos lurks while scum, but it's also a holiday weekend so I am less confident that is meaningful. l Al
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Jan 2, 2018 19:22
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CCKeane posted:It's a holiday weekend with a lot of words. Nobody has posted about you outside of me and I will continue to bang the dram until this is addressed. This isn't actually true. Several people have mentioned being wary of TMM this game.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:23
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Hello CC I would like to ask you about TMM
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Jan 2, 2018 19:24
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Now I remember why I thought Slaan, Slaan talks around the meta/battlefield information a lot, and this is an easy way to disguise content. I don't like it.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:25
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King Burgundy posted:This isn't actually true. Several people have mentioned being wary of TMM this game. Where
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Jan 2, 2018 19:26
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I don't think Keane is scum, and I don't think TMM is scum. They both come across as hostile and frustrated with each other, but I don't think either of them are bad folk.PMush Perfect posted:Still stuck on mobile. Hoping it was just that they didn't fix it over a holiday weekend. The alternative is that the modem is busted. At this point I don't care if I'm wrong about you, you aren't reading the thread and are only posting crap like this to float your post count.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:26
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Your Personal Muse posted:Hello CC I would like to ask you about TMM Shoot.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:28
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Sorry for the delay, I am in maybe too many forum games right now (I regret nothing). Besides 50 Pounds of Bread, I would say that I like the case on PMush--I really don't see the benefit of saying exactly what you do as opposed to saying "Hey, I'm a strong ranged attacker", especially when you then try to paint its value as being the element of surprise--and for my last one... I think Gamer is being genuine, so I'm going to go with a gut-feel read on Slaan. Something about how they were defending Tobb's claim of being a tank doesn't sit right with me, even though I don't really read Tobbs as scum right now.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:28
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I'm bad at big games at the best of times, but on mobile, when I can't even read the thread without having to deal with this tiny-rear end screen that turns everything into a giant wall of text, I am incredibly useless. Sorry to everyone who had expectations for me to rock my return to Mafia
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Jan 2, 2018 19:29
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Sidenote: I think anyone calling people out for 'slipping under the radar' on day 1 over NYE weekend is faking content.
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I *think* I may have played more with 50 than anyone else here and his play is firmly a nullon my meta read, fwiw.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:33
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Your Personal Muse posted:Wait so is your vote on CC real, KB? Or just you being annoyed Yeah, we are coming close to the end of the day, so I'll be a bit more free with my scum picks. I always think Keane is scum, so I have him lower on my list for later evaluation, but I had him as a lean scum on my spreadsheet. I think the way he was avoiding making any hard calls and not wanting to tie himself strongly to any reads was already scummy before he doubled down on it. I wouldn't have mentioned him today most likely if he hadn't annoyed me though. He isn't my first choice, and now that he's posted his top list I'll come off for now. ##unvote
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Kashuno posted:Sidenote: I think anyone calling people out for 'slipping under the radar' on day 1 over NYE weekend is faking content. Agree with you 100%
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TMMadman posted:Also, Keane is giving a really subpar effort right now. TMMadman posted:It's nice too see that FL had decided to join us! This strikes me as a bit odd. TMM calls out Keane for not putting in enough effort, but congratulates FL on making an entrance. Apart from that, TMM's posting/casing is filled with "I'm not sure", and while he did post his opinions on who is scum, I feel like he hasn't gone into a lot of detail about why they are his top scum reads. His interactions with GotG are pretty light. It's odd that his picks are based on such light interactions. TMMadman posted:I don't like this post because it feels very much like a 'Hey, I'm in this game!' post. What is this, really? "Oh hey, I see you're reading the other thread, so am I!" It's not necessarily scummy as I've been trying to keep up with them as well, but it sort of looks like he's calling out PMush for something he himself is doing, which I think he'd realize if he was sharing a genuine opinion here. All in all, I'm not getting a strong town read from him, but it's not enough for me to say he's definitely scum. Kashuno posted:Sidenote: I think anyone calling people out for 'slipping under the radar' on day 1 over NYE weekend is faking content. Not everyone is certain that they're going to be around past Day 1. If I look and see that chaoslord's in the game and hasn't posted since the night before NYE, I start to wonder how many jager bombs he drank to be hungover for so long.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:38
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CCKeane posted:TMM, Slaan, GeneX, Chaos as a maybe. So just to be clear: besides me, your list is a new guy, a lurker and essentially an omgus. Not exactly an impressive list and not exactly making the needle for you move towards town.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:40
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:This strikes me as a bit odd. TMM calls out Keane for not putting in enough effort, but congratulates FL on making an entrance. Oh come on. It's not like Keane's content is at the same level as FL's so far in terms of size.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:41
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CCKeane posted:Where I shouldn't have to do your work for you, but here is one very obvious example: Truth Quark posted:I would also go with MMT or TMM tbh, mostly because this exchange pinged me early on: Truth Quark posted:Tanking, in any game, only works if the opponent has a reason to focus you over other targets. By telling the other team this, Tobbs' removed that reason. Its possible he said that on purpose because of some ability he has, or maybe it was just a dumb mistake. The only alignment relevant thing I can see is that scum have a reason to want to go into battle but not get targeted, so maybe Tobbs' is purposefully trying to avoid damage in combat so he can dish out maximum hurt to the Glorious Mexican Army without getting killed himself. There's too many other possibilities though, so I'm just gonna keep an eye on him for now. Truth Quark posted:I can see TMM too tbh, he has been coming into the thread, dropping a big effort post, then peacing out with no follow up. He also hasn't voted yet in any of said effort posts except for joke votes early on. Example: TQ has been banging the drum for TMM off and on all game.
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King Burgundy posted:I shouldn't have to do your work for you, but here is one very obvious example: Yeah that's fair. I'd like it discussed among more of the town than that, though.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:45
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TMMadman posted:I think my three scum picks right now would be gamer/PMush and then maybe either Hats or AA. CCKeane posted:This is a bad post and is preparing for a juke/being wrong. Keane may not be feeding us walls of text, but most of his observations are on point. KB wants people's scum reads, and while TMM provided a list, he followed it up with one hell of a hedge.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:46
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CCKeane posted:Shoot. Somewhere in his post history, TMM made what I thought was a strange post about how the fact that I hadn’t fought with him was giving him pause on me. I had made about 10 posts by that point. I disregarded any feeling I had because I couldn’t find any scum motivation for him making that post. Since you are hot on his trail, I was hoping you would look at that post and tell me what you think of it.
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TMMadman posted:This is my take on it as well. Well, except he hasn't cased me. The hedge is bad, the meta content is fine. I'm not bother by this post by itself, but the fact that there's another hedge continues the narrative of TMM qualifying and preparing to be wrong while setting himself up for votingif the tide goes that way.
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Kashuno posted:Sidenote: I think anyone calling people out for 'slipping under the radar' on day 1 over NYE weekend is faking content. Eh, disagree. Like yeah, Holiday weekend and I've also been giving people a lot of slack. But this day has been going for 3 and a half days at this point and we have left the holiday behind. At a certain point the slack disappears. Fair amount of folks have posted just enough to skirt the lurker rules: The Lord of Hats 12 Hal Incandenza 11 Max Peck 11 Anomalous Amalgam 10 SalTheBard 10 Flying Leatherman 9 IllegallySober 6 Some of these, I'm feeling much better about now, like FL, he seems to be very engaged now that he's back. And Peck seems to be doing well for a first mafia game, But IS for example has a whole lot of nothing and I know that Hats can do better than he's giving us.
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 Votecount for Day 1   PMush Perfect (5): Kashuno, OMGVBFLOL, Moatillata, Your Personal Muse, Tobbs Gnawed Gamerofthegame (3): Murmur Twin, Max Peck, Monathin, Kashuno (3): Truth Quark, chaoslord, Max Peck, TMMadman, 50 pounds of bread, Quidthulhu (2): chaoslord, Tobbs Gnawed, Truth Quark, Slaan (2): 50 pounds of bread, Gamerofthegame, Truth Quark, Tobbs Gnawed (1): Quidthulhu, 50 pounds of bread (1): Slaan, SalTheBard (1): Hal Incandenza TMMadman (0): Murmur Twin, The Lord of Hats (0): GeneX, chaoslord (0): Murmur Twin, CCKeane (0): King Burgundy, Truth Quark (0): GeneX, GeneX (0): OMGVBFLOL, Kashuno, Your Personal Muse (0): Tobbs Gnawed, OMGVBFLOL (0): GeneX, Anomalous Amalgam (0): Quidthulhu, Murmur Twin (0): TMMadman, chaoslord, Not Voting (7): Anomalous Amalgam, CCKeane, IllegallySober, King Burgundy, SalTheBard, Slaan, TMMadman  With 25 people still alive, it takes 13 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 02nd, 2018 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 6 hours, 2 minutes.  First day back to work means no extra flavor today, but one last reminder - all Day ability usage MUST be entered into your character sheet BEFORE your thread hammers for it to count!
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Keane may not be feeding us walls of text, but most of his observations are on point. KB wants people's scum reads, and while TMM provided a list, he followed it up with one hell of a hedge. I feel that it's a very reasonable and real concern. I don't mind being wrong about a lynch, but I absolutely want to be cautious about the lynch as well. Scum want town to make rushed and bad decisions and I will always fight against it. So when a bunch of people suddenly start piling on the two seemingly most popular lynch targets, I am almost always going to urge caution regardless of whether or not I think those targets are scum. Think about it this way: if both gamer and PMush are scum then why hasn't there been any kind of effort to move the targets from them? It often doesn't take that much towards the end of the day. If they are both town then scum can either pile on or stay off it fairly easily. And if only one of them is scum, then are all the other scum saying that person is scum but voting someone else? Or are they throwing some bussing out there and hoping the vote moves away for some reason?
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Aren’t you trying to move the murder lynch away from them? And there are a lot of lurkers, some of who might be scum, who might just not be in the thread to move the lynch. This is very odd reasoning.
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Your Personal Muse posted:Aren’t you trying to move the murder lynch away from them? And there are a lot of lurkers, some of who might be scum, who might just not be in the thread to move the lynch. This is very odd reasoning. No, I would vote for either Gamer or PMush today and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But the more I think about it the more I can't see them being scum together.
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