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Anyways, I'll shut up about Pmush. Only reason I was going on about my opinion of her at this point is because that was the sole reason people were pointing their fingers at me. I defended her at first to tell people that role reveals aren't necessarily terrible, if still a dumb idea. I've only kept up since then because these guys are using it as "proof" that I'm scum. An explanation of my thinking was called for
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Truth Quark posted:Though Tobbs I will say I have had the same thought as you re: giving Slaan the benefit of the doubt if he is new. The biggest reason why my vote isn't on PMush right now is that I don't want to rush that vote with so many people still posting opinions. It's definitely good to have the ramp up in posts leading to hammer, but last I checked she was at -6 and I'm really convinced she's scum, so I'm more afraid of scum getting the vote switched to someone more townie (gamer with his seemingly genuine but terrible opinion that I'm scum, or claimed first time player Slaan).
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Eh, after reading I think Slaan might be best pick. P Mush strikes me as uninvested town at this point. internet troubles, the hassle of mobile researching, maybe big game day 1 content overkill. I hate big games, but love Pod soooo here I am, but yeah. I don't think P Mush is scum. My suspicion meter for MMT is all over the place. I'll read 5 posts that make me think she's definitely town, and then one post that undoes that. The speculation about P Mush resonates with how I feel about them, but I think this is framing. Other than dispelling Kash's argument on Tobbs, I can't help but get a bad vibe from MMT. GotG ehhhh maybe town, I feel less bad about them. I think Slaan is a better pick because of an apparent scum slip in informed knowledge. ##vote Slaan I'll check in periodically before deadline, but I got a long commute coming up in 20 minutes.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:poo poo I just said Almost goofed and edited, but to clarify the informed knowledge revolves around some extra mechanics stuff.that doesn't seem clearly delineated in the appendices or in my own role so 
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Almost goofed and edited, but to clarify the informed knowledge revolves around some extra mechanics stuff.that doesn't seem clearly delineated in the appendices or in my own role so I'm curious about this, what insider knowledge does it seem that he has?
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I'm curious about this, what insider knowledge does it seem that he has? Eh, I'm probably honing in on something stupid. ##unvote I was misreading his interpretation of scum melee row mechanics, and its in contradiction with the rules so it's unlikely that was the slip up I thought it was. I still don't feel great about him, but my own misunderstanding of his misunderstanding was why I thought he was scum. However, I will say that I probably won't vote for P Mush for my previous given reasons in spite of thinking their play bad, I think it was just phone post skimming because of you know, other things. Which I'm guilty of myself. Out of the leaders, Gamer is my next choice because I still think they've given little to nothing of use to the thread while generating suspicion for themselves.
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I was hoping PMush would come back and say more but oh well ##vote PMush
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Would also vote 50 pounds probably, I don't think they are town, but that's not coming up so much right now.
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##vote Gamer OK, getting ready to head home and such. I'll try to be back.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Eh, I'm probably honing in on something stupid. Phone posting is a pain for sure but I don't think the idea behind what PMush was doing would change if posted on something more friendly. I still don't see what the issue with gamer is, there are some posts in their history that don't seem like scum at all
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Would also vote 50 pounds probably, I don't think they are town, but that's not coming up so much right now. This was actually my next thought, maybe it is residual fifty-meta but he he's giving me that bullying scum vibe pretty good
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:
The "it'd be silly if melee front line scum couldn't hit their own back/side" post? I'd quote it but  . Phone posting atmJust trying to say that there would likely be scum abilities that break the normal rules. Like the apparently fully accepted ability to hit back row to back row that was revealed earlier. So a scum that can hit the back row from the front row with shine and/or with a negative damage modifier. People were going against Tobbs with a rules based argument, so I was trying to point out the rules on the OP were probably breakable to some extent, especially as Podima had said he was trying to not have players use back/front row as a scum indication like a previous game did.
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Ok. Phone posting, but other thread is done. Let's get to battle. ##vote pmush
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Having to leave sooner than I expected so I haven't finished catching up like I hoped. Since this was asked for, top 3 scum reads: 1) ##vote Slaan Gonna just quote GeneX here because the summary is perfect and everyone should see it again imo GeneX posted:Slaan, because he a) had an incomprehensible vote on Kashuno for metagaming when Kashuno was doing the opposite, b) in his immediate next post implicitly asked for mechanics spec, c) completely ignored Truth Quark questioning that vote, d) reversed course on how he mechanically justifies tobbs' claim by now making it about many people claiming, e) hedged on his support for tobbs, and f) immediately tried to justify away another claim, this time by invoking wine, "gaining information", and asking this: "Question: What scenario can you guys think up where knowing this ability hurts us and helps scum?" which is literally asking town to help scum out 2) Murmur Twin. Going back to this case on TQ Murmur Twin posted:Likewise, I'm not sure I buy that TQ's case on Slaan is genuine. It evolves (bolded above) in order: Click through to see the post TQ made and such. MMT is criticizing TQ for calling out Slaan for multiple scummy things, saying "it's not consistent." But read the four points she makes. They're pointing out different types of scummy behavior. Calling them inconsistent would be like criticizing baseball scoring and football scoring for not being consistent in a discussion about types of scoring in sports. This criticism doesn't make sense to me. She doesn't call the points wrong, she just attacks them for not being related enough even though scummy behaviors don't have to be related to one another. 3) Quid. I have a strong gut read on Quid, and I like to think I can read him pretty well. Obviously gut is not full proof or anything, but the last time or two I felt this strong about Quid's posting I was right. Ok, headin out now. I'll finish catching up during night to have some posts ready to go when the next day opens. I'm in a plant all week this week, but it's a pretty slow week so should be able to check in on days more frequently. Apologize for going missing, just wasn't in the right head space to play mafs. If everyone promises not to tell Mrs Slord, I'll excuse myself from dinner at 5 til deadline to put a vote down in case things have stalled.
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I still want to lynch Slaan but we're at less than 2 hours to deadline, I'm on my phone, there'd need to be 8 more votes for him, and I'll be gone for dayend so ##vote PMush someone post the votefinder stuff, I want to do some vote analysis stuff tomorrow, maybe
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The tidbit of PMush clearly following the other thread while making excuses about ours is pretty damning. Her being frustrated and unengaged isn’t really alignment indicative to me, but there’s no reason for her as frustrated town to be closely following the other thread. I think that’s the strongest catch in all of this and it does tip me over, especially since she hasn’t come back to say anything else. Bread is my number two right now. I can not reconcile him putting me and Kash together as scum without COMMENTING on that. I could totally see him saying we were faking it, but...he didn’t? His response about his scumpicks really looks to me like he panicked and picked two of the high volume posters in the thread, forgetting that we spent a lot of last night going at each other. He would actually be my first choice today if we weren’t so close to deadline. I’m cooling on Kash but I’m not sure if that’s because I realized I was wrong about a single thing and am conflating that with being wrong about him completely. I don’t think I am, though, and he’s probably town at this point. His picking at me is grounded in fact and doesn’t feel like just trying to get my goat anymore, just trying to see if I’m being genuine or not, and that to me says it’s probably him coming from a town mindset. I’ve been so exhausted today at this point I don’t know that I could pick a third without using my feelings from like three IRL days ago and I’m probably not gonna read back much tonight. I’ll try to keep up with stuff from this point for the last hour but yeah. ##vote Pmush
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King Burgundy posted:Ok. Phone posting, but other thread is done. Let's get to battle. I super super hope b- is Texan because I'll have an IRL morale boost if Bif railroaded the advisor she herself chose only for him to flip town. Don't answer this though I want it to be a surprise.
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Better to get Pmush than let the Texans pick the lynching target even though I suspect gamer more ##unvote ##vote Pmush
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Alright, time to get this done. ##vote PMush
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 I say, chap, that appears to be the crimson mallet for PMush Perfect. Votecount for Day 1  PMush Perfect (13): Kashuno, OMGVBFLOL, Moatillata, Your Personal Muse, Tobbs Gnawed, Monathin, The Lord of Hats, Hal Incandenza, King Burgundy, GeneX, Quidthulhu, Slaan, TMMadman Slaan (4): 50 pounds of bread, Gamerofthegame, Truth Quark, Gamerofthegame (3): Murmur Twin, Max Peck, Monathin, The Lord of Hats (1): GeneX, Kashuno (1): Truth Quark, chaoslord, Max Peck, TMMadman, 50 pounds of bread, Tobbs Gnawed (0): Quidthulhu, TMMadman (0): Murmur Twin, Quidthulhu (0): chaoslord, Tobbs Gnawed, Truth Quark, chaoslord (0): Murmur Twin, CCKeane (0): King Burgundy, 50 pounds of bread (0): Slaan, Truth Quark (0): GeneX, SalTheBard (0): Hal Incandenza, GeneX (0): OMGVBFLOL, Kashuno, Your Personal Muse (0): Tobbs Gnawed, OMGVBFLOL (0): GeneX, Anomalous Amalgam (0): Quidthulhu, Murmur Twin (0): TMMadman, chaoslord, Not Voting (3): CCKeane, IllegallySober, SalTheBard  With 25 people still alive, it takes 13 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 02nd, 2018 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 hour, 32 minutes.  First day back to work means no extra flavor today, but one last reminder - all Day ability usage MUST be entered into your character sheet BEFORE your thread hammers for it to count!
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Day action submissions for this thread are now LOCKED, please don't update them or submit any new ones. Twilight posting is OK.
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twilight posting is ok unless Podima hates our thread for some reason
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:twilight posting is ok unless Podima hates our thread for some reason Owned by a minute
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Slaan posted:Owned by a minute Post times aren't delineated by seconds so it could have been less time 
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CCKeane posted:Uh, that happened really fast. Yeah
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CCKeane posted:Uh, that happened really fast. I'm comfortable with it. It shows the power of a leader's locked-in vote. The other thread was crazy. Bif pulled b- out of nowhere and he was hammered with zero resistance.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I'm comfortable with it. It shows the power of a leader's locked-in vote. I'm not.
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Well so much for me following how the final hours go lol
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CCKeane posted:Uh, that happened really fast. Keep in mind I was asking for the hammer at that point. People just listened. It happened only slightly faster than I expected/hoped.
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Quid was obviously writing his post for a while and I have to go in 5 minutes but I’m looking even harder at Slaan right now
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Jan 3, 2018 00:51
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CCKeane posted:I'm not. Tough
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King Burgundy posted:Keep in mind I was asking for the hammer at that point. People just listened. It happened only slightly faster than I expected/hoped. Noted, but I don't think it's the wisest play.
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Here is why: -Drawing out the hammer maximizes discussion and forces additional opinions to be laid out/challenged -KB is confirmed town but isn't infallible, following his lead strongly and encouraging the thread to follow his lead can discourage dissension and can also mean that scum need to fool KB instead of the entire town. -Day abilities are no longer viable - this can go either way, obviously, but I am inclined to think this hurts town abilities more than scum abilities. (This is a weaker point.)
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CCKeane posted:Here is why: It was only a handful of votes at the end but I begrudgingly admit these are decent points
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CCKeane posted:Here is why: We are ~1 hour from deadline and the only player prevented from posting (PMush) checked out hours ago. Sure, it affects day actions, but unless I'm remembering incorrectly KB warned us to get those in a few posts ago.
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My bad for not coming back faster, was figuring deadline would take a little longer.
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Mafia edit: by deadline I meant hammer.
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