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I don't know for sure about any of the specific shows mentioned, but the reason some of HBO's earlier shows are missing is generally because they don't actually own them. It wasn't until around the time of The Sopranos that HBO started to ensure they had full ownership of all their original series.
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Diabolik900 posted:I don't know for sure about any of the specific shows mentioned, but the reason some of HBO's earlier shows are missing is generally because they don't actually own them. It wasn't until around the time of The Sopranos that HBO started to ensure they had full ownership of all their original series. In Mr.Show's case they do own the rights. They didn't treat the show well when it was still on the air either, they pre-empted new episodes for HBO'S Real Sex a few times and then questioned why ratings weren't great. I don't care what you think of a show, if you pre-empt new episodes for other programming, and still expect great ratings, especially for late night sketch comedy on pay cable, you are a loving idiot.
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Mar 24, 2018 18:43
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tv execs being moronic parasites? nah, no way
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Mar 24, 2018 19:04
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Mr. Show was really another HBO entirely. Same as those other early programming shows named. It was before they established that Sunday night slot or even that they could make originally dramatic programming. Mr. Show and Tenacious D and Dream On were shoved into slots with Real Sex because that's all HBO had outside movies and maybe some documentaries (and I don't think they had really established that either yet). It was a different world. Weirdly I still managed to watch Mr. Show and Tenacious D and Dream On and Arliss. I have no idea how with no DVR and relying on the accuracy of TV Guide and the program guide channel. A different world. My actual memory is that Dream On uses a ton of footage from old movies and shows so I imagine that's probably a rights disaster for HBO Go. And Arliss has all those athletes and celebrity cameos so maybe there's a problem there.
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Mar 24, 2018 19:06
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Open Marriage Night posted:I was surprised to find out it was like the first or second episode of the show. Huh. Looked it up and it checks out. Weird that that's the first appearance by the Justice Friends. Also, Justice Friends really is a cartoon concept that would have worked out better 20 years later.
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Mar 24, 2018 21:54
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Clips from old movies and TV shows used to be WAY easier to get (Steven Spielberg once joked that he feared seeing scenes from Close Encounters show up on, I think, Cagney & Lacey)- that's also the reason the MST3K movie Space Mutiny has all its effects footage taken from Battlestar Galactica, it was just cheaper to buy that from Universal than do anything new.
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Mar 24, 2018 21:55
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Off the top of your head, what's Natalya's best match?
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No Irish Need Imply posted:Off the top of your head, what's Natalya's best match?
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St Evan Echoes posted:any one of like 4 vs Charlotte, those two have great chemistry A Flair and a Hart having good matches with one another? 
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Mar 25, 2018 21:25
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Yeah, considering Ric and Bret's matches were all pretty poo poo.
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Mar 25, 2018 23:48
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This is kind of related to me rewatching WCW and being surprised at how little Nash and Hall even did at the height of the nWo. What do you think is the best match that Scott Hall was ever involved in during his career that DIDN'T involve a ladder?
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Mar 26, 2018 03:18
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His match with Bret at the '93 Rumble is pretty good
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Shiki Dan posted:Yeah, considering Ric and Bret's matches were all pretty poo poo. Their match at Souled Out 98 is really good.
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Mar 26, 2018 03:24
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MassRafTer posted:Their match at Souled Out 98 is really good. I never sat through it, but they worked an Iron Man match at a house show that's supposed to be good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wzWnNIZIE
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Has anybody ever used a "backbreaker submission" as a finisher? I've seen it on occasion in random matches and always thought it looked painful as hell. Yet it's never really treated as anything serious. But I mean, you're driving somebody's back down into your knee and then bending them over your knee while drilling it up into their back. Or so the appearance goes. It just looks really good to me. I'd give up in no time to that.
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NikkolasKing posted:Has anybody ever used a "backbreaker submission" as a finisher? I've seen it on occasion in random matches and always thought it looked painful as hell. Yet it's never really treated as anything serious. hello have you heard of the Torture Rack aka the move that always get cheered
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exploded mummy posted:hello have you heard of the Torture Rack aka the move that always get cheered Is that true for Ezekiel Jackson though?
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Hoss Corncave posted:Is that true for Ezekiel Jackson though? the most perfect move and the most boring dude cancel each other out
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Never saw the Souled Out 98' match, but it has to be better than any of their WWF matches. Although they still had real-life heat at that point, they were both being held down by Hogan and WCW so I can imagine they could put personal animosity aside and try to steal the show. Tato posted:This is kind of related to me rewatching WCW and being surprised at how little Nash and Hall even did at the height of the nWo. What do you think is the best match that Scott Hall was ever involved in during his career that DIDN'T involve a ladder? There's a Clique tag team match from Fall 1994 (Shawn and Nash vs. Hall and Kid) that was taped for WWF Action Zone that Meltzer gave 4.5* to. I vaguely remember watching it back then, but don't recall too much of it otherwise, although you might find it worthwhile to track down and see if it holds up. EDIT: Surprisingly easy to find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dud9ty6TUdE
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Mar 26, 2018 16:06
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Which WrestleMania was it that had the horse fall through the stage and whose entrance was it for? HHH or Taker, or someone else?
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flashy_mcflash posted:Which WrestleMania was it that had the horse fall through the stage and whose entrance was it for? HHH or Taker, or someone else? I had never heard of that, but I do recall shots of the vulture freaking out during Taker’s Wrestlemania IX entrance because they tied the poor thing’s feet to the perch.
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flashy_mcflash posted:Which WrestleMania was it that had the horse fall through the stage and whose entrance was it for? HHH or Taker, or someone else? I think it was going to be Bradshaw, maybe for his match vs Rey at 25?
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Mar 26, 2018 21:32
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flashy_mcflash posted:Which WrestleMania was it that had the horse fall through the stage and whose entrance was it for? HHH or Taker, or someone else? Triple H was supposed to come out on a horse at Mania 27 but during rehearsals it fell down the trapdoor that Taker's casket rose out of. They apparently had to spend hours dismantling the entire stage to get it out and nearly had to euthanize it.
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Mar 26, 2018 21:51
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OctoberCountry posted:Triple H was supposed to come out on a horse at Mania 27 but during rehearsals it fell down the trapdoor that Taker's casket rose out of. They apparently had to spend hours dismantling the entire stage to get it out and nearly had to euthanize it. That's the one, thanks! Where's the WWE 24 about that horse??
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Mar 27, 2018 00:07
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flashy_mcflash posted:That's the one, thanks! Where's the WWE 24 about that horse?? Do you really want to see a WWE 24 about a pack of jujubes?
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I'm sure a lot of you guys remember Zack Gowen, the one-legged kid who wrestled on Smackdown for a while. I remember seeing on these forums that they apparently hired the wrong one-legged wrestler when they brought him in. So, who was it they meant to hire? I've never heard a name and I'd love to see how much better than Gowen he was.
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Are there any good books or interviews that go over r "the economics" of ECW? Like, it's practically a running gag I've heard in interviews with Heyman that he owed all his stars money. People on here have also talked about Paul being awful with money. The whole thing sounds interesting to me and I'd like to hear actual details.
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Q_res posted:I'm sure a lot of you guys remember Zack Gowen, the one-legged kid who wrestled on Smackdown for a while. I remember seeing on these forums that they apparently hired the wrong one-legged wrestler when they brought him in. So, who was it they meant to hire? I've never heard a name and I'd love to see how much better than Gowen he was. If I remember right, I think Ace was supposed to hire Gowan but hired the wrong one-legged wrestler, then had to fire him (with a payout?) and THEN hire Zack?
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Q_res posted:I'm sure a lot of you guys remember Zack Gowen, the one-legged kid who wrestled on Smackdown for a while. I remember seeing on these forums that they apparently hired the wrong one-legged wrestler when they brought him in. So, who was it they meant to hire? I've never heard a name and I'd love to see how much better than Gowen he was. quote:One big story that indirectly involves Zach is the famous tale of John "Johnny Ace" Laurinaitis signing the wrong one-legged wrestler to a WWE contract. Ripe for parody, this story is something that JG had wanted to ask Gowen about since it happened. During this week's 31 minute uncut Club shoot, he did. Zach answered:
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quote:because that guy's like 6'3, 275." I think I figured out how Ace made that mistake!
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Jerusalem posted:I think I figured out how Ace made that mistake! seriously, do a google image search for him. He looks kinda like a nice Scott Steiner.
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Six 3 and 275, even missing a leg. He must have been a wall of muscle.
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What was the story with Gowen anyway? It's not often you see a one-legged man who can do moonsaults and stuff. Was he prone to injury? Liable to have the dreaded Attitude Problems(TM)? Or did the "gimmick" (which feels like a really shallow way of putting it but for the purposes of this discussion bear with me) just run its course too quickly? He was heavily featured in a main storyline, lost to Vince on PPV, then didn't seem to do much else. That said, Brock repeatedly F5ing his one remaining leg into the ring post as his mother looked on with tears in her eyes is one of my first "this is actually quite scary/disturbing" wrestling moments.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:What was the story with Gowen anyway? It's not often you see a one-legged man who can do moonsaults and stuff. Was he prone to injury? Liable to have the dreaded Attitude Problems(TM)? Or did the "gimmick" (which feels like a really shallow way of putting it but for the purposes of this discussion bear with me) just run its course too quickly? He was heavily featured in a main storyline, lost to Vince on PPV, then didn't seem to do much else. I remember he had a poor attitude, or hearing he did. I'd also imagine the hips and leg weren't in great state if he's doing moonsaults and absorbing it with half the standard issue of legs.
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Von Linus posted:I remember he had a poor attitude, or hearing he did. Not for nothing but....dude lost his leg at a young age, can you blame him for having an attitude? If I lose so much as my laundry quarters, I'm a prick for days.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:45
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Gowan developed a pretty serious drug habit too.
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MassRafTer posted:Gowan developed a pretty serious drug habit too. Not for nothing but....dude lost his leg at a young age, can you blame him for developing a serious drug habit? If I lose so much as my laundry quarters, I'm re-enacting Trainspotting in real time. I jest but seriously sobriety is good.
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fart blood posted:Not for nothing but....dude lost his leg at a young age, can you blame him for developing a serious drug habit? If I lose so much as my laundry quarters, I'm re-enacting Trainspotting in real time. What do his toes read
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exploded mummy posted:What do his toes read "Drugs"
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I've heard that Gowen was such a massive, entitled, and egotistical prick that he was pretty much universally reviled by everyone. Which is something that you wouldn't think was possible for someone with his condition, but apparently he was basically every worst fratboy stereotype incarnate, just with one missing leg.
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