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ufarn posted:I waited about ten years to upgrade my PC hoping for Intel to get off tick-tock, and for RAM and GPU prices to drop, let me be the one to tell you that waiting out bad pricing and incremental improvement isn’t what it’s cracked up to be. TOM I KNOW ITS YOU
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Lol pretty sure the most expensive iphone is already over $1500 w tax in MA
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ufarn posted:I waited about ten years to upgrade my PC hoping for Intel to get off tick-tock, and for RAM and GPU prices to drop, let me be the one to tell you that waiting out bad pricing and incremental improvement isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.   I'm debating putting together a cheapo system that I can pass on to my brother once Zen 2 comes along.
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Arzachel posted:
make a slickdeals pc i have no need for a computer but i want to for fun
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I dunno about Steve's whole "manufacturers won't raise prices on stock that's already in the country before the tariffs kick in" thing. Refusing to recognize the change in the value of your inventory doesn't make it not change. If all GPUs are now 20% more expensive then congrats, you just made 20% on the value of your inventory. It's like how gas station prices all move in sync. When prices drop, if they want to sell gas they have to follow them down, and while they don't have to raise prices if wholesale prices increase, they are "giving away" that money. There's no reason to give away all the upside when you still face the downside risk. It's not personal, it's business 
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Oct 1, 2018 18:09
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I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement.
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Oct 1, 2018 18:13
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Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. That would be economic suicide. American companies can’t just buy their poo poo from Jed down the road when there is no longer any manufacturing capacity in America of most of the things imported.
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VelociBacon posted:TOM I KNOW ITS YOU Have you considered to... just buy it
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Zero VGS posted:Have you considered to... just buy it why u do this
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Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. The Japanese call this “hara kiri” although it’s likely civil war would destroy America before that happened
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Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. if we nuke ourselves then china wont have anyone to trade with, checkmate
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Arzachel posted:
Part of the reason I went Ryzen is that the AM4 socket will still be supported for another two-ish years so I should be able to upgrade to something even better in the future when my CPU is bottlenecking again.
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Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. I see we’ve reached peak stupid.
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Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. Doing nothing is the right thing. China's policies hurt the US, yes, but they hurt China more, especially in the long term. If Chinese people are willing to bust their asses to make poo poo cheap for us, and meanwhile be content with their government enacting policies that are going to gently caress their kids and grandkids, then one, we should take advantage of it, and two, the US government is not going to be the thing that convinces 1.4 billion Chinese people that their culture should change. You don't respond to people loving themselves by going "Oh yeah? Well I can gently caress myself harder!" You just do your thing and let people eventually learn why those policies are stupid.
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Palladium posted:China's manufacturing efficiency is already to the point where you can use literal slave labor in some other X country and still have trouble competing with them. I think it was Paul Krugman a few years ago that wrote an article (addressed to some people on the left, at the time) about whether the free trade genie could even be put back into the bottle. I can't find a link right now, but the gist of the argument was that it's now hopeless. Once you go free trade, re-instating tariffs doesn't take you back to the old equilibrium. It's a new shittier equilibrium point that's pretty much just "it's still cheaper to make everything over seas, and now we just pay more taxes". Your point is part of the reason: there's trillions in manufacturing infrastructure over there now. You'd have to replicate those trillions of dollars of investment over here, just to get back to price parity. Anyway, you know it's funny, I starting following pc hardware heavily again 2 years ago because it was a nice escape from politics, where we could be hopeful about the cool stuff coming in the future! Sigh.
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Paul MaudDib posted:I dunno about Steve's whole "manufacturers won't raise prices on stock that's already in the country before the tariffs kick in" thing. Refusing to recognize the change in the value of your inventory doesn't make it not change. If all GPUs are now 20% more expensive then congrats, you just made 20% on the value of your inventory. It does seem like wishful thinking after manufacturers and retailers got a taste of the gas station model during the bitcoin fiasco. Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. Trade deficits aren't "losing" and trade surpluses aren't "winning" (nor vice versa), even ignoring the massive over-counting going on the trade deficit numbers. Suddenly eliminating all trade would definitely be very very losing - for everyone. Stickman fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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crazypenguin posted:
The fact that this bullshit is loving with my hobby head-space is almost as bad as the fact that it's also making it more expensive.
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Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. you're very good at politics
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Stickman posted:It does seem like wishful thinking after manufacturers and retailers got a taste of the gas station model during the bitcoin fiasco. cowofwar posted:That would be economic suicide. American companies can’t just buy their poo poo from Jed down the road when there is no longer any manufacturing capacity in America of most of the things imported. Scalding Coffee fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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Scalding Coffee posted:You do know there are other countries we can trade with? Yeah, you know those other countries with massive electronics supply chains that we don't trade with for some odd reason edit: certified brain genious 
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I threw a GPU cooler, bracket, and vertical extender on my credit card yesterday to bypass this dumb poo poo, because paying the credit card off in a month or so is easier to take than the bending over we are all about to receive. edit: antifa nazis? Haha oh boy you're dumb.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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We dont need to out /pol/ here I dont think that didnt go well last time. Lets just say, barring trading with other countries that dont make what we want to buy (hate to break to to anyone who doenst know this but they get everything from China too), we're in this hole now. Just imagine, the $1200 FE is the cheapest 2080ti we'll ever see  . Well maybe, if they ever ship.
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Siets posted:I’m no MAGAer, but how else do we combat slave labor industry at China’s scale than employing tariffs? Sitting around jerking off to “the free market” while Foxconn employees commit suicide and are replaced by children seems the worst of the two options to me. Build a time machine. This is the future that decades of outsourcing and offshoring manufacturing has gotten us to. China makes all of our tech for us because they built a lead on cheap labor, and then parlayed that cheap labor into automation, without any of the hangups about "machines put people out of jobs" that we have in America, while appealing to the part of the consumer's lizard brain of "product cheap, therefore better!" There is no ethical consumption under capitalism... especially not when you've pissed away the ability to made a difference with your consumption decades earlier. Now, I will say that as working for my dad as of those "small business owners" and "job creators" that President Mushroom Dick likes to say he's trying to protect by enacting these tarriffs? No. No he's not. If we're lucky, we might survive the year. Dad is past retirement age, he just keeps running the shop so he has something to do instead of going stir-crazy at home. And he always makes low-level grumbling noises about shutting down the shop and retiring-retiring. But his grumbling has gotten worse over the past year, and I wouldn't put it past him actually doing it, assuming we aren't killed by the apocalypse first. Scalding Coffee posted:Having one-sided trade deficits going this poorly are why we got out of NAFTA and renegotiated. I guess, if you consider "got minor concessions back from Mexico and Canada in exchange for bending over and taking the full brunt of all of TPP that would have affected US + Canada trade", to be "we got out of NAFTA and renegotiated", sure. President Deals, everyone! SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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Scalding Coffee posted:I would have liked to see how China would react if we simply cut all trade with China and end the 600 Billion dollar and growing trade deficit we have with them each year for decades. Making them have to work out a better deal that doesn't involve giving away parts of the country to them each year because they got favored trading status, is an improvement. Fess up, which one of you dorks bought Trump a SA account
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Scalding Coffee posted:Having one-sided trade deficits going this poorly are why we got out of NAFTA and renegotiated. You have a massive one sided trade deficit with your local grocery store. It's not a problem because you recognize getting food for relatively cheap is good. A trade deficit isn't a bad thing if your getting value from it. Why do you think the US government would be better equipped to make that decision than the businesses that import stuff? Also lol at the NAFTA renegotiation. The only term is upping the % of a car that has to be made in the US from 62.5% to 75%. Meaning those cars will likely be more expensive and there will be almost no impact to the manufacturing sector. Way to go!
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Cygni posted:if we nuke ourselves then china wont have anyone to trade with, checkmate we have dropped plenty of nukes on american soil lmao
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Note that much of America's "massive trade deficit" with China is a statistical illusion:Paul Krugman posted:First of all, much of that big deficit is a statistical illusion. China is, as some put it, the Great Assembler: Many Chinese exports are actually put together from parts produced elsewhere, especially South Korea and Japan. The classic example is the iPhone, which is “made in China” but in which Chinese labor and capital account for only a few percent of the final price.
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i didnt think the point of the tariffs was to actually win on trade it was just to win votes from idiots
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Yes, the tariffs are necessary to stop those nasty Europeans with better labor laws.
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 This thread is for discussion of GPUs, not trade policyI mean there's some overlap and it's obviously a highly relevant topic right now, but we're at the point where the discussion really needs to be in a more appropriate thread in a more appropriate forum.
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Anyone here actually gotten their hands on a 2080Ti yet?
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EdEddnEddy posted:Anyone here actually gotten their hands on a 2080Ti yet? I called today about my preorder and they don't have any of the EVGA 2080tis at all in Vancouver.
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So relating to graphics cards, do these tariffs mean it's best to buy a card as soon as humanly possible to get in before it happens, or am I still good waiting for a theoretical 2060?
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Got my EVGA GTX 1080 ti Black Edition in the mail. For a mining card its in loving great condition complete with box, manuals, and the original invoice. For $425 on Ebay its a steal glad I got it. Now I will flip my 1080 for $350.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Anyone here actually gotten their hands on a 2080Ti yet? I got my EVGA 2080Ti last Wednesday. Really happy with it. The software is a bit buggy though.
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Siets posted:I’m no MAGAer, but how else do we combat slave labor industry at China’s scale than employing tariffs? Sitting around jerking off to “the free market” while Foxconn employees commit suicide and are replaced by children seems the worst of the two options to me. It’s not really our problem, because it’ll very likely take violent revolution. Besides, this isn’t the reason for what Trump is doing; he’s whining about the country’s disregard for intellectual property makes it a problem for capitalists who invest intellectual property, and the right wing had bitched for a while about lowered costs of international shipping favoring overseas retail over domestic. Oh noes you can download movies on the internet and buy knockoff poo poo at AliExpress time to gently caress over everyone. My guess is Trump wants to sell exemptions for donations or some poo poo because he doesn’t know what’s illegal and doesn’t care, and this will probably end once Republicans lose agribusiness. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Enos Cabell posted:My PC is working fine on new drivers with one gsync one non monitor. No problem playing new tomb raider with both displays on. Just wanted to quote and call myself a dumbass. I had downloaded the drivers but I guess didn't install them. They do in fact totally gently caress up gsync on multi monitors.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Anyone here actually gotten their hands on a 2080Ti yet? I cancelled my FE order and camped newegg.com at midnight on the 27th. Was able to snag a Zotac and got it last Friday.
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