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Stealth Tiger posted:Insulting strippers, just like insulting drug users, is a tremendous heel move that displays peerless villainy. Also, the part where Punk swung around the pole to deliver a kick was great. I root for most heels, but CM Punk's heel character really did get under my skin. Testament to his ability to annoy, full props to him in that regard. Same goes for Jericho too, although Jericho's heel is a tad more witty on the mic. I respect both guys for their showmanship.
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Following up from the NY64 thread, where can I get more details on the Ring Boy Scandal stuff? A quick googling turned up surprisingly little.
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Helicity posted:Following up from the NY64 thread, where can I get more details on the Ring Boy Scandal stuff? A quick googling turned up surprisingly little. Terry Garvin, Pat Patterson and somebody I forget was allegedly sexual abusing ring boys, many/most of whom were underage. Pat Pattersion was later rehired, since he's Vince's right hand man, and as such, "allegedly" continued to use his position to demand sexual favors from wrestlers. Allegedly is in scare quotes because there have been many allegations about him doing such things, and you should always believe the victims.
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Helicity posted:Following up from the NY64 thread, where can I get more details on the Ring Boy Scandal stuff? A quick googling turned up surprisingly little. https://411mania.com/wrestling/poss...-entertainment/ quote:WrestlingDVDNews.com has a report up on an edit made to the famous Andre the Giant vs. Hulk Hogan match from WrestleMania 3 that is also featured on The History of WWE: 50 Years of Sports Entertainment DVD/Blu-ray release. The match has now been edited with an angle strictly from the arena camera, and no commentary is present.
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Dec 20, 2018 05:17
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Mel Phillips raped dozens or hundreds of boys while working for WWE. He was caught in the early 80s and reported to security who did nothing. Vince McMahon had been warned in a letter from Lord Littlebrook and at one point fired Mel, but hired him back with a promise Mel would stay away from kids. Mel's MO was to find at risk kids and gain their confidence by using them as ring boys at shows, then when he raped them no one would believe them or their parents wouldn't be present to do anything. This all came out when Terry Garvin offered 19 year old Tom Cole a job, then demanded sex from him and fired him when he didn't get it. Garvin also offered Cole coke at age 16. Garvin had also harassed Barry Orton (Randy's uncle) in the 70s and tried to force himself on a ref as well. He likely molested several ring boys as well, not as many as Mel though. Pat Patterson seemed to do it in the way Al Franken did where he'd act suggestive and would grab butts and stuff around people. There were some claims of more, some claims it was all a joke. The biggest claim was from Murray Hogdson who accused Pat of demanding sex from him and then getting fired for it. Murray was later shown to be a fraud which is probably what caused the scandal to go away. Murray was super charismatic and came off great on Geraldo and Donahue, so they probably felt played after. Then in all of this Rita Chatterton came forward with her accusation that Vince McMahon raped her in a limo. Her story is absolutely chilling and was backed up in full or in part by other anonymous sources.
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I thought Pat Patterson got roped into that at the time because he was known to be gay, but I might be wrong.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I thought Pat Patterson got roped into that at the time because he was known to be gay, but I might be wrong. There's been way too many accusations thrown at Patterson, then and at other times.
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Deeply disputed. Gay panic poo poo. No idea why you are posting this.
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MassRafTer posted:Mel Phillips raped dozens or hundreds of boys while working for WWE. He was caught in the early 80s and reported to security who did nothing. Vince McMahon had been warned in a letter from Lord Littlebrook and at one point fired Mel, but hired him back with a promise Mel would stay away from kids. And then Cole, who had spent the previous two decades talking about how terrible the company is, suddenly came out in favor of Linda's Senate campaign (I believe 2012, though it may have been the 2010 run as well) and spoke glowingly about the McMahon family once the media started talking about the sex scandals. I wonder how much that cost them.
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rovert posted:Deeply disputed. Gay panic poo poo. No idea why you are posting this. Because we should believe the victims? It's no different than the shitstorm Hollywood is going through.
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Randaconda posted:Because we should believe the victims? I've watched that Piper interview a bunch of times - it sounds like Piper did a sexual favor for Patterson in exchange for a push I don't think he was molested/raped or underage when it happened, but still, you can tell Piper was hiding that away for a long time and was ashamed of it
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EugeneJ posted:I've watched that Piper interview a bunch of times - it sounds like Piper did a sexual favor for Patterson in exchange for a push Yeah, Patterson is literal garbage.
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Randaconda posted:Because we should believe the victims?
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Patterson was a star in the 70's and if there is anything I have learned in the last couple of years it's that you cannot trust anyone big in the 70's not to have been a monster no matter how much you like them or their work.
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That's nonsense. I mean look at Ric Flair, or Harley Race, or...ah, gently caress.
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Halloween Jack posted:When I first learned about these issues I gave Patterson the benefit of the doubt, because it was a time when conservative media was aflame with equating all gay men to pedophiles and degenerate criminals. But there have been too many allegations to ignore. Same. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for years, but there's just too much smoke for there not to be fire.
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idk if this is the right place to ask (or even the right forum) but im looking for deathmatch recommendations from this year. i've watched tournament of survival, ngi, and the 6/20 takeda/kodaka match from bjw. what else should i search out? even just a list of the top takeda matches would be much appreciated.
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Big Dave posted:idk if this is the right place to ask (or even the right forum) but im looking for deathmatch recommendations from this year. i've watched tournament of survival, ngi, and the 6/20 takeda/kodaka match from bjw. what else should i search out? even just a list of the top takeda matches would be much appreciated. David Arquette vs. Nick Gage
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Big Dave posted:idk if this is the right place to ask (or even the right forum) but im looking for deathmatch recommendations from this year. i've watched tournament of survival, ngi, and the 6/20 takeda/kodaka match from bjw. what else should i search out? even just a list of the top takeda matches would be much appreciated. Fly Star vs Toxin Mask vs Mask. It's on youtube. The full version is like 47 minutes long. I think there's an edited professional multicam version too. You will forget they have masks on with how bloody it is. It's the death match of the year. G-Raver vs Jeff Cannonball from GCW Tha G Code is must see stuff too.
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EugeneJ posted:I've watched that Piper interview a bunch of times - it sounds like Piper did a sexual favor for Patterson in exchange for a push So was that interview before or after Legends' House? Because if it was before...um...
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So was that interview before or after Legends' House? Because if it was before...um... Why would it matter?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So was that interview before or after Legends' House? Because if it was before...um... Legends House was filmed in February 2012 and began airing in April 2014. The shoot was filmed in October 2013 and it was released in April 2014. Piper died in July 2015.
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MassRafTer posted:Why would it matter? Because I don't know if this was something Piper later recalled or if he remembered it all along. If it was the former, living with Patterson for a few months may have triggered awful poo poo to come back to him. If it was the latter, I feel terrible that Piper needed the money badly enough that he was willing to live with Patterson for a few months. Don't worry, I'm not trying to find a way to blame Piper. EDIT: Like long-rear end nips Diane, I was also under the assumption that Patterson was getting more poo poo about the scandal for being gay. I knew about Phillips and Garvin, but what I had read didn't have nearly as much detail about Patterson. So now that whole scene in Legends' House where everyone treats him like a brave wonderful soul for coming out is loving abhorrent. It reminds me of what Kevin Spacey did. Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Because I don't know if this was something Piper later recalled or if he remembered it all along. If it was the former, living with Patterson for a few months may have triggered awful poo poo to come back to him. If it was the latter, I feel terrible that Piper needed the money badly enough that he was willing to live with Patterson for a few months. The shoot coming out within a few weeks of Legends House made everyone connect the scene where Piper refused to sleep in the same room as Patterson with Piper's comments about Patterson propositioning him Roddy later did a podcast angrily denying everything, but it sounded like it was more because he didn't want to come out to his kids as having done a homosexual act (acts?) than being mad at Patterson Kayfabe Commentaries sat on the shoot for 6 months and released the trailer the same week that Legends House premiered - they were intentionally stirring up poo poo to sell DVD's EugeneJ fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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Specific to Patterson: Basically, if you find Tom Cole's original allegations to be credible, you believe Patterson did SOMETHING, because he said in his lawsuit and the Wrestling Perspective interview that Patterson groped and sexually harassed him. Murray Hodgson was exposed as a semi-closeted gay guy who was going to bars with his boyfriend to blackmail closeted guys who were living as straight in their personal and business lives. He had no credibility and is probably the biggest part of why the whole gay witch hunt thing lives on. Tom Hankins, who was on Donahue after sending a letter to Meltzer, is absolutely credible. His claim was that, in a hotel bar, he asked Patterson if he could get some work doing TV jobs, nothing more, only for the response to be that it would happen if they went upstairs and Tom performed oral sex on him. Years later, Meltzer, while believing Tom, started questioning it a little, as Patterson had a habit of saying such things in a joking way, like "pfft, the only way you'd get to work for the WWF was if we went up stairs right now and you blew me, hahahahahaha." Tom is insistent that this was not the case for him. Barry Orton alleged that, pre-WWF, he was on a road trip with Patterson and Garvin where he was in between them in the back seat and they kept grabbing at his crotch. IIRC Meltzer alluded to him passing a polygraph, but I think WWE disputed if the official results were ever shared with anyone YMMV if that would be reliable. Have to head out but will explain more on the others later.
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From what I recall, Dave has hinted, but subtly, per his norm, that Patterson was known to be a predator.
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davidbix posted:Specific to Patterson: Specifically with the Hankins story some wrestlers disputed that it was serious saying it was the kind of thing Patterson would do as a joke. It seems to fit with the other weird poo poo he'd do with Cole where he seemed to really like sexually harassing people as a joke and making them uncomfortable. Which based on that backstage environment and what people (Vince) thinks is funny sounds like it would fit right in.
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Sexual harassment is still used in storyline by faces to get over in 2018, so that makes total sense. Almost every day I'm happier I cancelled my subscription. I just can't give money to these people anymore, and I feel terrible about how long I have.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Sexual harassment is still used in storyline by faces to get over in 2018, so that makes total sense.
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remember the classic "i'm a literal retard" gimmick haha (ie, Eugene) If I were a wrestler I think I could probably pull that one off.
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Big Dave posted:idk if this is the right place to ask (or even the right forum) but im looking for deathmatch recommendations from this year. i've watched tournament of survival, ngi, and the 6/20 takeda/kodaka match from bjw. what else should i search out? even just a list of the top takeda matches would be much appreciated. Arquette vs Gage is the first deathmatch to win this forum's (new to this year) match of the month poll. here is a link to the thread, which contains a link to the match. e: whoops, link got taken down. I'll need to find a new one. TTBF fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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what's the worst AJ Styles match? particularly where AJ himself had a notably bad performance, not just because he was carrying someone awful
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This reminded me of an old Dave post from The Board about Vince's master plan for the Donahue appearancedave posted:The deal was Vince came on because he had a plan.
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Low Desert Punk posted:what's the worst AJ Styles match? BOLA 2005 against Chris Bosh lovely match followed by this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=legAh9ARcaA
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OctoberCountry posted:This reminded me of an old Dave post from The Board about Vince's master plan for the Donahue appearance Barry O sounds a hell of a lot smarter than his brother and nephew. No wonder he never got pushed like them.
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Cole's settlement with WWE also meant his interview with Geraldo could never be aired as it was contingent on them not airing it until after he filed his lawsuit.
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MassRafTer posted:Cole's settlement with WWE also meant his interview with Geraldo could never be aired as it was contingent on them not airing it until after he filed his lawsuit.
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MassRafTer posted:Fly Star vs Toxin Mask vs Mask. It's on youtube. The full version is like 47 minutes long. I think there's an edited professional multicam version too. You will forget they have masks on with how bloody it is. It's the death match of the year. fly star vs toxin is a heck of a match. is there a site or a youtube or something to keep up with mexican indie deathmatch stuff? also g-raver rules and jeff cannonball is so likable, i need to remember he's a good wrestler and not just "the deathmatch friend of tom". thanks!
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