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Was that another government defeat?
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dispatch_async posted:Was that another government defeat? I believe they whipped against the business motion (again)
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Apr 1, 2019 16:56
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It was a defeat, yes. Amendments chosen: C, D, E, G
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Apr 1, 2019 16:57
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So that's C (Customs Union) D (Common Market) E (Confirmatory vote) G (Parliamentary Supremacy)
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Apr 1, 2019 16:58
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C: Customs Union - Ken Clark and Hilary Benn (cross party) Ayes: 273 Noes:276 Instruct the government to make a permanent customs union with the EU as a minimum for any Withdrawal Agreement. D: Common Market 2.0 - Nick Boles and Lucy Powell (cross party) Ayes: 261 Noes: 282 Alter the Political Declaration to make it so that during the implementation of a Withdrawal Agreement we: -Become part of EFTA. -Become part of the EEA. -Agree frictionless food trade with the EU. -Agree a common tariff with the EU. -Give the UK a say on future EU trade deals (?) until an agreement is made to keep frictionless trade with no hard land border in Ireland. Make it so if the above were achieved the NI backstop in the Withdrawal Agreement would be overridden by this. Instruct the government to bring in another Meaningful Vote™ conditional on the Political Declaration being altered as above and made legally binding. E: Confirmatory Public Vote - Peter Kyle, Phil Wilson, Justine Greening et al (cross party) Ayes:280 Noes: 292 No Withdrawal Agreement and framework without putting it to a public vote. G: Parliamentary Supremacy - Joanna Cheery, Dominic Grieve, Vince Cable, Liz Saville Roberts, Sarah Wollaston (rainbow coalition) Ayes:191 Noes: 292 (it's not as cool as it sounds) If we haven't passed a Withdrawal Agreement by midday April 10th we must seek an extension from the EU council (EUCO). If EUCO doesn't give an extension by midday April 12th we have a vote on No Deal. If we don't approve No Deal in the vote then we revoke Article 50, and within three months of this hold an inquiry into whether any form of brexit acceptable to the EU is likely to also be acceptable to parliament. If the inquiry finds there is a form of brexit acceptable to the EU and likely to be acceptable to parliament, then a referendum is held on whether to trigger Article 50 to pursue the form of brexit the inquiry has found. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Apr 1, 2019 |
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Apr 1, 2019 16:59
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Sorry, are these normal parliament-style votes ('Aye' and 'Nay' rooms for each one) or a sheet of paper with box-ticking like last week?
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Apr 1, 2019 16:59
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That Italian Guy posted:Also tag yourselves, I'm Kurgan's Dad, 3rd from the left. Do debates in the House of Commons change any MP's mind about anything, ever? Is it all just pointless, time-wasting posturing and they might as well just get straight on with the voting on issues?
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Apr 1, 2019 17:00
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Lightningproof posted:Sorry, are these normal parliament-style votes ('Aye' and 'Nay' rooms for each one) or a sheet of paper with box-ticking like last week? Sheet of paper with boxes to tick.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:00
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Clarence posted:Is he in disguise? Generally not, although as I said early, Lucy Powell persuaded Barry Gardiner in her impassioned speech in favour of the Common Market and put him from vote against to vote for.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:02
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forkboy84 posted:Sheet of paper with boxes to tick. Cheers. I thought so but got confused at some point. Fingers crossed something salvageable can be pulled from this shitheap (lol who am I kidding).
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Apr 1, 2019 17:02
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Clarence posted:Is he in disguise? this sort of debate is mostly for the public record i'm sure that the odd vote is swayed here and there by sound argument, but for the most part their purpose is to make it known that those arguments have been made and considered for posterity sometimes, like when benn forced a free vote on bombing syria, a good speech can also help build someone's stature or shore up support, but mostly it's meant to let everyone know what parliament was thinking, more or less
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Apr 1, 2019 17:04
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Am I the only one who find marketing terms like CM2.0 and Norway+ is such loving bullshit? 2.0 makes it sound like it's some new or improved concept, and plus makes it sound like it's a better deal than what Norway has, which it absolutely won't be.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:04
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in less heavily whipped matters, the debate is much more important; if you're discussing a porn filter and someone comes up with a credible reason that it simply isn't going to work, that might push someone who might normally be in favour to abstain, for instance
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Apr 1, 2019 17:06
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V. Illych L. posted:in less heavily whipped matters, the debate is much more important; if you're discussing a porn filter and someone comes up with a credible reason that it simply isn't going to work, that might push someone who might normally be in favour to abstain, for instance Abstinence is the only working solution
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Apr 1, 2019 17:08
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Every time I take a break for a few days and then check back on brexit news I feel like simultaneously 50 different things have happened but also absolutely nothing has happened and its really bewildering.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:13
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https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1112709271878283265?s=19 Clarifying suspicions
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Apr 1, 2019 17:13
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The guy who sits behind Ken Clarke looks like a Bond villain to me.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:13
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“2.0” as a term is ludicrously overused now. It’s basically meaningless now.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:14
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moostaffa posted:Am I the only one who find marketing terms like CM2.0 and Norway+ is such loving bullshit? 2.0 makes it sound like it's some new or improved concept, and plus makes it sound like it's a better deal than what Norway has, which it absolutely won't be.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:15
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So Ken Clark's option looks to be the one most likely to get a majority today, right? But if May agrees to it, the ERG have been threatening to VONC the government. Full on Tory collapse is on the cards today then?
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Apr 1, 2019 17:15
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Is it the exact same method of voting as last week, or do they have to indicate a preference for one option over another?
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Apr 1, 2019 17:15
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Comrade Fakename posted:“2.0” as a term is ludicrously overused now. It’s basically meaningless now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjSqaI0SXXA#t=14s
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Apr 1, 2019 17:18
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Comrade Fakename posted:“2.0” as a term is ludicrously overused now. It’s basically meaningless now. Someone needs to propose an EU 2.0 amendment, where we pay in £700m a week and get twice as many immigrants in return. The ERG benches would resemble the final scene from Kingsmen.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:18
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Bardeh posted:So Ken Clark's option looks to be the one most likely to get a majority today, right? But if May agrees to it, the ERG have been threatening to VONC the government. Full on Tory collapse is on the cards today then? I think there's a very good chance of another VONC this week, potentially bringing down the government. If Clarke's customs union passes as you say the ERG are threatening to vote for one. If the CM2.0 passes then May has said she'll just ignore it and you'd assume that the soft Brexiteers/Remainers in the Tories would be sufficiently pissed off to back one.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:18
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So I don't know if I'm getting something wrong, but if we go by most likley to pass Customs union -> May agrees -> ERG throw their toys out the pram - > vote of no confidence -> jezzah has a spontaneous socialist emission -> governmet loses -> custom's union dies because there's no government
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Apr 1, 2019 17:19
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Where's today's flowchart, goddamnit
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Apr 1, 2019 17:20
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1112746689960513539
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Apr 1, 2019 17:22
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Obliterati posted:Where's today's flowchart, goddamnit 
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Apr 1, 2019 17:23
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Julio Cruz posted:tell it to whoever bought it for me in the first place (and I have my suspicions) you won't get an update for every brexit thing not happening jesus thing took me like hours
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Apr 1, 2019 17:23
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Obliterati posted:Where's today's flowchart, goddamnit The only flowchart you need is in the op
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Apr 1, 2019 17:24
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moostaffa posted:Am I the only one who find marketing terms like CM2.0 and Norway+ is such loving bullshit? 2.0 makes it sound like it's some new or improved concept, and plus makes it sound like it's a better deal than what Norway has, which it absolutely won't be. Barry Scott presents: Norway Bang
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Apr 1, 2019 17:24
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Lmao this loving country
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Apr 1, 2019 17:26
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baka kaba posted:Barry Scott presents: Norway Bang 
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Apr 1, 2019 17:28
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Obliterati posted:Where's today's flowchart, goddamnit https://i.imgur.com/Zs4lBPU.mp4
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Apr 1, 2019 17:28
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Ken Clarke having a go at others for filibustering and then going on for half an hour is loving impressive.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:29
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https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1112753340658737154 They'll privatise it again as soon as it's fixed.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:30
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baka kaba posted:The other nice thing about a referendum between confirming CM2 and just revoking the whole thing is that it does deliver on the actual Brexit vote, just in a concrete way that a lot of people probably won't support. Less chance of a betrayal!!! narrative if people just reject what's actually on offer yes i agree. i voted to leave the corrupt neoliberal etc etc but how we left was up to the politicians
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Apr 1, 2019 17:31
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Guavanaut posted:Wasn't that Roosh V? I will not be googling that on this day of all days
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Apr 1, 2019 17:34
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Betrayal narrative taking hold among Brexiteers is inevitable, even if we do hard Brexit. Especially if we hard Brexit, people will say Brexit was betrayed rather than admit it was all a fantasy.
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forkboy84 posted:Ken Clarke having a go at others for filibustering and then going on for half an hour is loving impressive. he's old he can do what he wants.
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