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I want it to be a running joke that whenever Spider-Man's in poo poo he can't do anything about he just asks Mephisto to help him out.
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Gologle posted:I want it to be a running joke that whenever Spider-Man's in poo poo he can't do anything about he just asks Mephisto to help him out. I could see this happening in Marvel Adventures.
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Jun 13, 2019 19:12
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Mephistio, take the web!
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Jun 13, 2019 19:31
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GrandpaPants posted:It looks like Mary Jane is back in Peter's life so that's at least a decent bargaining chip with Mephisto. "In order to save your aunt, this time I want...your friendship with benefits. Well, not -quite- benefits, just a chemistry, you know? Not gonna say your friendzone, that's dumb, but the will-they-or-won't-they vibe. That is what Mephisto desires!"
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Jun 13, 2019 20:04
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Sell me your soul and become the new spider-rider
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Jun 13, 2019 20:06
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Gologle posted:I want it to be a running joke that whenever Spider-Man's in poo poo he can't do anything about he just asks Mephisto to help him out. They've basically been slowly building towards something big with Mephisto over the last year or two, not just in Spider-Man books but also over in the Avengers with the new version of the Squadron Supreme that Agent Coulson is in charge of as well(probably in other books as well but I've only been reading bits and pieces of current Marvel)
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Jun 13, 2019 23:54
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Mephisto just wants to feel included.
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Jun 14, 2019 00:30
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Push El Burrito posted:I would read multiple issues of Aunt May in Valhalla. Meadcakes!
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Jun 14, 2019 01:15
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Lurdiak posted:One of the many reasons the Sam Raimi spider-man movies got Jonah perfectly is this scene: as terribly as those movies have aged (yes even 2, deal with it), this is forever JJJ for me. What I wouldn't give for a newspaper Spider-Man movie with Simmons as Iron Jonah. Anyway re: Aunt May, I just want these three words: venomized grey panthers
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Jun 14, 2019 02:32
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Tin Can Hit Man posted:Mephisto just wants to feel included. He's desperate to become relevant again, in a non-ridiculous manner, so he can get a movie deal. "Look, Peter, they're not going to get Son-of-Satan past the execs, and the Strange sequel - if there is one - will probably go with the green eyeball guy people only know from the fighting games. I need this, man."
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Saotome Senshu, Hitakakusu Yae Saotome is a high school girl and boxer, who is "one of Japan's best hopes for a medal in female boxing at the 2020 olympics". As such, she's always under a lot of scrutiny, and absolutely cannot, no matter what, never, don't even think of it have a boyfriend. (Japan has some... Backwards ideas regarding relationships.) But she does have a boyfriend. Satoru, who is in the same boxing club as her in high school. They manage to keep things secret for a while, but disaster strikes when they're photographed while they're kissing on their high school trip. Satoru's face doesn't show up in the photo, so no one knows who "the boyfriend" is, but it still causes a huge scandal. As the news breaks, Yae goes and hides somewhere, and Satoru runs around trying to find her; in these pages he goes looking for her at their boxing club, and runs into a couple senior members. (Read right to left.)    
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Jun 14, 2019 17:53
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Avengers 34: Captain America is at the end of time being told (by 3 different versions of Kang the Conqueror) that if he wants to save the world he has to let Tony Stark and the Illuminati carry out their plans and blow up alternate earths.  I love that last zinger so much
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Jun 15, 2019 02:44
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Lord I hate that whole Incursion storyline it's just amazingly lovely
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TwoPair posted:Avengers 34: Captain America is at the end of time being told (by 3 different versions of Kang the Conqueror) that if he wants to save the world he has to let Tony Stark and the Illuminati carry out their plans and blow up alternate earths. This kind of encapsulates why I don't really like Cap. For as much of a compassionate dude as he is, even at his supposed best, the dude really is just "I have the power to do what I want and gently caress the consequences or bigger picture" kind of power fantasy. This is some rugged individualism kind of bullshit that only gets a pass because it's Captain America and we know the story will turn out that he was in the right, because he's Captain America. Like, obviously superhero comics are not exactly the place to go if you're not fond of great man theory, but god drat if it's not the entirety of Steve Rogers whole rear end.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:16
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drrockso20 posted:Lord I hate that whole Incursion storyline it's just amazingly lovely (Me neither tbh but there were some good parts mixed in there)
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Jun 15, 2019 03:17
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drrockso20 posted:Lord I hate that whole Incursion storyline it's just amazingly lovely
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Cabbit posted:This kind of encapsulates why I don't really like Cap. For as much of a compassionate dude as he is, even at his supposed best, the dude really is just "I have the power to do what I want and gently caress the consequences or bigger picture" kind of power fantasy. This is some rugged individualism kind of bullshit that only gets a pass because it's Captain America and we know the story will turn out that he was in the right, because he's Captain America. As opposed to the people saying that they're so smart they know there's no way beyond murdering whole planets.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:31
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Cassa posted:As opposed to the people saying that they're so smart they know there's no way beyond murdering whole planets. Those people are also assholes. I'm talking about Captain America.
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drrockso20 posted:Lord I hate that whole Incursion storyline it's just amazingly lovely I'm completely convinced Hickman's run on Avengers is the reason Marvel's sales are currently in the toilet.
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Jun 15, 2019 06:48
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I mean the industry is, quite legitimately, dying. Nobody is really going to speed that up or slow it down too much.
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Jun 15, 2019 06:55
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Uncle Ben gonna Uncle Ben. https://twitter.com/PeteSpideyTalk/status/1139557973561184256
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Jun 15, 2019 06:59
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Skwirl posted:Uncle Ben gonna Uncle Ben. The trade.
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Cabbit posted:This kind of encapsulates why I don't really like Cap. For as much of a compassionate dude as he is, even at his supposed best, the dude really is just "I have the power to do what I want and gently caress the consequences or bigger picture" kind of power fantasy. This is some rugged individualism kind of bullshit that only gets a pass because it's Captain America and we know the story will turn out that he was in the right, because he's Captain America. He is also really really pissed due to the people who he considered his friends wiped his mind.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm completely convinced Hickman's run on Avengers is the reason Marvel's sales are currently in the toilet. Personally I put the blame on Morrison's run on X-Men, as I feel it's success paved the way for all the really bad edgy stuff both DC and Marvel have been doing for the past 15 years or so Immortal Hulk has been one of the only good "mature" comics Marvel has done in a long time, and a lot of that has to do with Al Ewing being one of the only good writers at Marvel these days(a lot of that has to do with him being one of the only people at either company who actually bothers doing research on what he's writing and thus has a good grasp on the characters)
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Marvel just clearly doesn't give a gently caress about healthy industry practices. I was a Marvel fan growing up, but running a comic shop I dread having to do preorders for their next batch of bullshit each month.
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I wasn't a big fan of the incursions but I liked Secret Wars and I enjoyed a lot of Hickman's other stuff. That's my comic book post.
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drrockso20 posted:Personally I put the blame on Morrison's run on X-Men, as I feel it's success paved the way for all the really bad edgy stuff both DC and Marvel have been doing for the past 15 years or so I liked Morrison's run since it felt like it had good ideas on how to steer the X-Men. Mutants were a growing population and developing their own culture, Jean fully embraced her powers and role as the new leader of the X-Men, Xavier being outed as a Mutant and having to deal with the fallout, Mutations either not being super useful or making you look hosed up, Scott and Emma's chemistry and them getting together. It just sucks some of that got walked back by the following runs. 
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amigolupus posted:I liked Morrison's run since it felt like it had good ideas on how to steer the X-Men. Mutants were a growing population and developing their own culture, Jean fully embraced her powers and role as the new leader of the X-Men, Xavier being outed as a Mutant and having to deal with the fallout, Mutations either not being super useful or making you look hosed up, Scott and Emma's chemistry and them getting together. some of it?
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Lurdiak posted:I'm completely convinced Hickman's run on Avengers is the reason Marvel's sales are currently in the toilet. I am too, but I suspect for different reasons than you. I see Hickmans run as a modern day high point and Secret Wars was such a good ending, that it allowed me to walk away from Marvel for a bit. I've come back in the last few months but mostly using Marvel Unlimited to read Hulk and a few other books. Hickman coming onto X-Men is going to bring me back to month on month purchasing for his stuff. As for those panels, I think they are fantastic because Cap is right in pushing back against the "I am a smart man. And I say that we need to kill millions to save billions. Hard man making hard choices." As he points out, Cap has been around since World War 2. He's no stranger to the idea that problems are complex and choices have to be made. But he also knows that people will often say "it's down to these two choices. That's it!" And be wrong. His overall point is that you cant forget morals (as the Kangs are doing) when deciding what to do. Frankly this world can do with more people saying "what about individuals" instead of pushing ahead with plans that hurt the least.
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bobkatt013 posted:He is also really really pissed due to the people who he considered his friends wiped his mind. This doesn't look like Identity Crisis.
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Hickman's run is fantastic, what are you guys smoking.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm completely convinced Hickman's run on Avengers is the reason Marvel's sales are currently in the toilet. That there is a take
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Cabbit posted:This kind of encapsulates why I don't really like Cap. For as much of a compassionate dude as he is, even at his supposed best, the dude really is just "I have the power to do what I want and gently caress the consequences or bigger picture" kind of power fantasy. This is some rugged individualism kind of bullshit that only gets a pass because it's Captain America and we know the story will turn out that he was in the right, because he's Captain America. I don't really agree with that. It's a power fantasy but the power fantasy is being able to stand up for your beliefs even in the face of people arguing they are implausible/unrealistic/childish. Yes, this can be twisted into horrible beliefs, but that compassion is at the center of why it works. It isn't 'great man' theory, it's the idea that you don't have to bend or compromise on what is right in favor of what is easy. Saying that people should bend and compromise on atrocities because they are 'necessary' ignores that very often they're not. They're just easier. This is true in reality as well as in superhero fiction and trying to disguise doing something abhorrent under 'it's the only option' is a way more loving damaging viewpoint to espouse because it's one people regularly and frequently use to justify utterly awful things. There's really never a 24-style "I have to torture this person to REVEAL THE BOMB" scenario and giving additional weight to that does nobody any good considering it gets literal Supreme Court judges citing it . "I have to do this awful thing, it's the only choice" is also a power fantasy. It's a power fantasy for people who want a justified excuse to do something terrible and feel like it was the right choice. Yet actual decisions are a lot more complex then that and the central key to most "I have to do this awful thing" things in both fiction and history isn't that it is the only choice. It's just the only choice that benefits the person making that choice.
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Rhyno posted:Hickman's run is fantastic, what are you guys smoking. 
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Rhyno posted:Hickman's run is fantastic, what are you guys smoking. I though I'd stumbled into some alternate reality reading those posts above.
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Hickman's Avengers on its own is the best Avengers run of modern times. Hickman's SW/F4/A/Secret War is probably the finest long run epic of the last 25 years. The gently caress man.
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I liked pretty much everything but Time Runs Out. The only good part of that was Blue Marvel calling the Illuminati pricks for not telling everybody.
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ImpAtom posted:I don't really agree with that. It's a power fantasy but the power fantasy is being able to stand up for your beliefs even in the face of people arguing they are implausible/unrealistic/childish. Yes, this can be twisted into horrible beliefs, but that compassion is at the center of why it works. It isn't 'great man' theory, it's the idea that you don't have to bend or compromise on what is right in favor of what is easy. Again, I'm not talking about the other dudes and their "we must do this awful thing because it is necessary" crap; that is also garbage, but it's garbage everyone knows is garbage, so quite frankly I'm less concerned with it. Cap, specifically, irks me with his spiel because it comes off like prioritization or triage is some sort of "lesser of two evils" poo poo, and that he's justified in this because he's Captain America, Marvel's conscience-- like it's some kind of noble goal that he's not thinking about where and how he could do the most effective good.
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ImpAtom posted:I don't really agree with that. It's a power fantasy but the power fantasy is being able to stand up for your beliefs even in the face of people arguing they are implausible/unrealistic/childish. Yes, this can be twisted into horrible beliefs, but that compassion is at the center of why it works. It isn't 'great man' theory, it's the idea that you don't have to bend or compromise on what is right in favor of what is easy. Yes, this is a good post. If super-hero stories are fundamentally power fantasies, we can acknowledge that and make decisions about what sorts of fantasies we want to cultivate, and Captain America's commitment to altruism here is no less of a fantasy than a bunch of smart boys and Beast going to another dimension to explode it. I prefer super-hero narratives that aspire to idealism rather than ones that aspire to a finer edged cynicism, because as mentioned, the "tough decisions" are often really merely the stupid, cruel, and shortsighted decisions, their efficacy itself a macho fantasy.
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