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Cygni posted:Looks like those earlier slide leaks might be right. [...] Coming back to this I do wonder where the 9900KS fits in here? https://twitter.com/goerkemb/status/1182664034228801537 at 8C/16T 5.0 GHz all-core it may end up being faster than the 10C/20T 4.6 GHz SKU in many workloads but on an outdated socket and priced higher, unless the 10C also magically clocks to 5 GHz out of the box. Speaking of which, shouldn't that CPU be out by now? I assume they're holding it back for the delayed 3950X release.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Bringing DRAM closer to the die is for bringing data closer to the CPU so it can wait less and work more, which means it will also consume more power. Stacking everything together will definitely make cooling and power consumption worse in pretty much every way, because it sticks more power consuming and thermal dissipating components in less space than ever before and helps them all work harder besides. I've no idea how effective they will be, but they thought it was a practical enough idea to patent it. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Oct 12, 2019 |
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Oct 12, 2019 16:41
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The next revolution in CPU cooling will be a waterblock integrated into the silicon itself.
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Oct 12, 2019 16:42
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Lube banjo posted:I hope you don't think that they plan to make these chips 95w TDP. 7nm doesn't scale well with high power usage. They will try to target the optimal spot of the efficiency-curve. More likely we'll get similar performance of today's chips but at 15w or 7w so it can be passively cooled and tossed in a tablet or surface pro Bruh, AMD is shipping a 280W 7nm part today.
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Oct 12, 2019 16:48
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God, please let someone deliver a Core 2 Duo game changing level architecture to AMD to bring power efficiency back into computers so I don’t boil my nuts off with a small nuclear reactor on my lap that’s not furry, meows, and uses a litter box.
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Oct 12, 2019 17:39
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PCjr sidecar posted:Bruh, AMD is shipping a 280W 7nm part today. yeah a 5700xt pulling 280w gets like 3 fps more than one using stock 180w. hence the poor scaling
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Oct 12, 2019 18:00
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So, what are the chances of the 10700k being out before Doom Eternal, now it's delayed to March 2020?
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Lube banjo posted:yeah a 5700xt pulling 280w gets like 3 fps more than one using stock 180w. hence the poor scaling Even the Asus ROG Strix version of the 5700 XT doesn't draw much more than 220W under load. The Epyc 7h12 however has a 280W TDP
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Oct 12, 2019 19:15
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HalloKitty posted:Wouldn't it be neat to have a special board and case, where the CPU socket is on the back side of the board? Enormous amount of space around it for a giant, giant heatsink, and the components on the front of the board wouldn't need to be crammed in on little riser daughterboards and so on.. Maybe the space on the "front" could be used on my theoretical "mini ITX" sized board for a large chipset heatsink. I don't know, now I'm just talking nonsense. p sure tr4/sp3 is too physically large for mini itx. The x299 went to SODIMMs. The x99/itx has a strange narrow ILM socket. It's just kinda dumb now that you can get 12-16 cores in a small socket. It makes very little sense since a huge part of having the workstation/server boards is more memory channels which simply won't physically fit on the mini-itx board. I want it because I'm insane.
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K8.0 posted:The next revolution in CPU cooling will be a waterblock integrated into the silicon itself. An IBM patent, iirc.
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Drakhoran posted:Even the Asus ROG Strix version of the 5700 XT doesn't draw much more than 220W under load. The Epyc 7h12 however has a 280W TDP Yeah that’s what I’m referring to. 30% higher base clock for 40% higher TDP relative to 200w part. 7nm may or may not scale well but its not going to stop vendors from putting as much in as possible.
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PCjr sidecar posted:Yeah that’s what I’m referring to. 30% higher base clock for 40% higher TDP relative to 200w part. 7nm may or may not scale well but its not going to stop vendors from putting as much in as possible. Original comment was referring to 3D stacked dies using 7nm. There would be no way to cool a 280w part (well, eight 35w parts) in a situation like that. So I was simply stating that Intel would probably try to hit peak efficiency curve rather than max out the clock speeds. But yeah look at the efficiency on those 8-core chiplets on EPYC. From 65-95w tdp @ 3.6-w/4.4ghz boost to what, 25w at 2-w/3.3ghz turbo?
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Malcolm XML posted:p sure tr4/sp3 is too physically large for mini itx. The x299 went to SODIMMs. The x99/itx has a strange narrow ILM socket. Is it that much bigger than LGA3647?
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Oct 12, 2019 23:10
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Paul MaudDib posted:Is it that much bigger than LGA3647? Ice Lake SP going to LGA4189 
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PCjr sidecar posted:Bruh, AMD is shipping a 280W 7nm part today. Yes, but it's a 280W 64-core/128-thread part. You know, where you can socket a pair of those into a board and achieve SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Oct 12, 2019 |
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TR4/SP3 is slightly larger than 3647 (which has an ITX board out there), so it would probably be physically possible with lots of engineering/compromises, but frankly the HEDT market is a small submarket and threadripper an even smaller sub fraction of that submarket. there isnt a ITX TR4 board cause the big 4 dont think its worth the cost
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Oct 12, 2019 23:52
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Isn't a nichel market like HEDT also more likely to go with a E-ATX motherboard to get four pci-ex for SLI or something equally silly?
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Oct 13, 2019 11:46
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Maybe they are finally making this true
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Oct 13, 2019 12:02
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Hmm. 4.6 GHz all-core on 20 threads is certainly interesting. 12T @ 5.0 GHz in Ghost Recon: Breakpoint bottlenecks my 1080 Ti (100% CPU usage and 85-90% GPU usage at 1080p), so depending on how much I really want to spend on a new motherboard this could be an interesting upgrade. I'd rather go Threadripper tbh but I don't know if much of what I do other than a few really well-optimized multicore titles is going to eat up something nuts like 14C/28T @ 4.0 GHz.
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Kazinsal posted:I'd rather go Threadripper tbh but I don't know if much of what I do other than a few really well-optimized multicore titles is going to eat up something nuts like 14C/28T @ 4.0 GHz. I feel like there’s a good chance this we’ll see real-time software encryption DRM schemes become standard as high core count adoption improves. 
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eames posted:I feel like there’s a good chance this we’ll see real-time software encryption DRM schemes become standard as high core count adoption improves. Like denuvo, that makes games stutter, chop, freeze and average significantly lower performance because it steals so much CPU time away from actually running the game?
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in workloads where dram access speed matters, nobody is going to handicap performance so severely by adding yet more cycles to every operation with a cache miss
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D. Ebdrup posted:Isn't a nichel market like HEDT also more likely to go with a E-ATX motherboard to get four pci-ex for SLI or something equally silly? is SLI even still a thing nowadays? I keep getting the impression that it's no longer being supported or is at least on the outs with newer hardware
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Oct 13, 2019 13:33
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Indiana_Krom posted:Like denuvo, that makes games stutter, chop, freeze and average significantly lower performance because it steals so much CPU time away from actually running the game? Denuvo is great. It only hurts performance in situations where you shouldn't be running the game anyways. If you're planning to run the game at 720P or something I guess it's a miss, but at 1080P or higher it's no problem. It's literally the first DRM I've thought was good enough.
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gradenko_2000 posted:is SLI even still a thing nowadays? I keep getting the impression that it's no longer being supported or is at least on the outs with newer hardware It is definitely on the outs. Far less games bother with support, and nVidia is slowly pushing it out of their lineup for all but the bleeding edge overclockers/enthusiasts and professional products. e: Crossfire is whatever, but Crossfire has always BEEN whatever.
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coke posted:Maybe they are finally making this true Where on this chart would “surface of the sun” be?
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D. Ebdrup posted:Isn't a nichel market like HEDT also more likely to go with a E-ATX motherboard to get four pci-ex for SLI or something equally silly? E-ATX is wider, not longer 
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latinotwink1997 posted:Where on this chart would “surface of the sun” be? ~6300 W/cm2, higher than anything else but would still fit in the graph.
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Do note that that is already on a logarithmic scale.
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https://www.techpowerup.com/260130/intel-scraps-10nm-for-desktop-brazen-it-out-with-14nm-skylake-till-2022quote:In a shocking piece of news, Intel has reportedly scrapped plans to launch its 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture on the client desktop platform. The company will confine its 10 nm microarchitectures, "Ice Lake" and "Tiger Lake" to only the mobile platform, while the desktop platform will see derivatives of "Skylake" hold Intel's fort under the year 2022! Intel gambles that with HyperThreading enabled across the board and increased clock-speeds, it can restore competitiveness with AMD's 7 nm "Zen 2" Ryzen processors with its "Comet Lake" silicon that offers core-counts of up to 10.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://www.techpowerup.com/260130/intel-scraps-10nm-for-desktop-brazen-it-out-with-14nm-skylake-till-2022
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Khorne posted:How is that news though? We already knew that was the plan since at least late 2018. Although lots of people predicted 2021 for Intel's 7nm on desktop while that article claims 2022. That they wouldn't offer 10nm on desktop was more or less an assumption, though, not hard knowledge. A more and more obvious assumption when no news for desktop Icelake was heard for months on end, but Intel up until now hadn't actually said they were going to skip desktop 10nm entirely, vs their previous "we're working on it" line.
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Khorne posted:How is that news though? We already knew that was the plan since at least late 2018. Although lots of people predicted 2021 for Intel's 7nm on desktop while that article claims 2022. Ice Lake was always planned to be skipped but iirc Tiger Lake was supposed to be coming to the desktop. That basically seals the deal on anything significantly surpassing Coffee Lake until 2022 as far as gaming is concerned. Zen3 will launch late 2020 and probably catch up but not significantly surpass it, that puts Zen4 in like late 2021 or more probably early 2022. That's a bummer considering consoles are going to get a big increase in per-thread performance here. It's gonna be hard to hold 100+ Hz when consoles have a processor that's roughly on par with a 2700 or so and target that as their 60fps baseline.
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This also means that the 400 series boards are going to be 14nm for their full lifecycle and thus likely another refresh of Z170.  Previous rumors claimed that Comet Lake needs a new socket/chipset to be compatible with the 10nm arch coming down the road but clearly that’s not happening, so the new socket is probably there for mobo makers and to have less vdroop for those lovely unannounced 400W CPUs. In a very odd turn of events I think I’d sooner buy into X299 than Z490. 
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Paul MaudDib posted:That's a bummer considering consoles are going to get a big increase in per-thread performance here. It's gonna be hard to hold 100+ Hz when consoles have a processor that's roughly on par with a 2700 or so and target that as their 60fps baseline.
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-yes-there-will-be-10nm-desktop-cpus New statement by Intel confirms that there will be 10nm desktop CPUs after all, though a 65W CPU in a NUC would technically qualify as a desktop CPU
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I got one of those I3 9400F processors for $90 bux. I was gonna go Ryzen but eh, that's the cheapest processor that doesn't suck i could find. Oh well, maybe next round AMD will win.
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redeyes posted:I got one of those I3 9400F processors for $90 bux. I was gonna go Ryzen but eh, that's the cheapest processor that doesn't suck i could find. Oh well, maybe next round AMD will win. Where did you find this? Still available?
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Twerk from Home posted:Where did you find this? Still available? Micro Center with the $30 off promo on CPU/MOBO?
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