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I woke up late this morning, so you're not getting BedPostingTM: instead, it's straight into computer posts while I am supposed to be listening to corporate. Happy to summarise the case against me as I see it (which is probably not that useful, but I will try to be objective): Merk disagreed with my characterisation of his defending Steak as scummy and said I was fake for saying it was out of character for him to defend Steak in the way that he did He used (I would say misrepresented) the argument I used against him to vote for me As my case evolved as he posted more content to analyse, he accused me of moving the goalposts He selectively quoted some posts from me, out of order, to make it look like my point of view was internally inconsistent I think that's it, but as I say, I am not a reliable narrator of the case against me, because I know it's horseshit
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How anyone can possibly read merk's behaviour today and not think he's scum, I don't know. This is not town merk play.
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Jun 4, 2020 09:30
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Scientastic posted:How anyone can possibly read merk's behaviour today and not think he's scum, I don't know. Have you considered that you're really tunneling here?
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Jun 4, 2020 09:43
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Voodoofly posted:I don't think merk was trying to softpeddle his defense of steak, it was pretty blatant and about the only thing he did on Day 1. This is what merk wants people to think my case is, but it's not: my case is that he defended Steak and tried to stop him being executed, BUT that he did so without making serious alignment calls. Read his posts defending Steak: he only actually calls him town once, and even that is wooly. The rest of the time he goes with the "Steak posts like this, we can't make an alignment call". That is not that same as saying he's town and we shouldn't execute him, and gives him a very easy out when Steak later flips scum.
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Jun 4, 2020 09:43
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DGK2000 posted:Have you considered that you're really tunneling here? Yep, I am aware of it: I am just posting my views on posts as I read them, I am pretty much done on merk and hopefully I can move on to other people.
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Jun 4, 2020 09:44
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It's also harder for me to gauge other players, simply because my interaction with merk, and his subsequent behaviour, is a large part of what has happened so far today
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Jun 4, 2020 09:46
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I am about to have a call that I actually need to pay attention to: who should I look at and why?
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Jun 4, 2020 09:47
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Scientastic posted:I am about to have a call that I actually need to pay attention to: who should I look at and why? Andy, because of this case right here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3922476&pagenumber=32&perpage=40#post505403004
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Jun 4, 2020 09:53
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DGK2000 posted:Andy, because of this case right here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3922476&pagenumber=32&perpage=40#post505403004 I can absolutely see it. Voodoo makes some good points, reading Andy's posts it feel like he's sort of testing the waters on whether he can push Spoonsy. Prefer my vote on merk OBVIOUSLY, but based on this, I will try and properly read Andy today.
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Jun 4, 2020 10:31
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And I agree with Voodoo, Andy isn't scumhunting.
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Jun 4, 2020 10:35
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i like my point on andy not testing all of spoonsy's claim because it makes the whole thing seem a) performative and b) i like it really because i made it.
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Jun 4, 2020 10:43
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CapnAndy posted:This is bad logic in several ways. First off, since as you say people have been putting forth alternate candidates all day, that means one of two things -- either most people don't like the spoonsy case, or everyone who's proposed another target (which again, as you've said, is a lot of people!) are all scum. I think the former is a lot more likely. And this is a bus. At this point, Steak has 4 votes, and looks like a potential execution candidate. Andy is the 5th vote, and doesn't want to just say "yeah, me too" so generates this post focusing on a single Steak post that he calls out as scummy. What I find interesting is the phrase "I haven't liked your defenses before now", but this is literally the first post in which Andy casts any aspersions about Steak's alignment. AND, I find the equivocation quite telling, where in the instant of saying that he sees self-preservation as Steak's motivator, he gives himself an out saying that town players also do that, so that if he needs to back out of the vote, he can. Would vote Andy too, thanks DGK.
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Jun 4, 2020 10:50
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DGK2000 posted:Andy, because of this case right here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3922476&pagenumber=32&perpage=40#post505403004 This is something I had open last night before I passed out and wanted to look into. Face value I liked it & going to try to read before I start work
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Jun 4, 2020 13:08
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cheese sandwich posted:There are good reasons to vote merk rn and these aren't them, but this helped me wrt you and seeing it from your pov. Your interaction with DGK makes me feel better about you fwiw I kind of agree, I just wanted to sum up my thoughts yesterday because some players seem to want not to read pages of back and forth. I find merk's reaction to the case extremely strange and non-town, and his interactions around Maigius' claim are suspect as well.
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Jun 4, 2020 13:12
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Scientastic posted:I kind of agree, I just wanted to sum up my thoughts yesterday because some players seem to want not to read pages of back and forth. I find merk's reaction to the case extremely strange and non-town, and his interactions around Maigius' claim are suspect as well. To clarify, I agree that there are other good reasons not to vote merk, not that these aren't good reasons in and of themselves.
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Jun 4, 2020 13:13
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Votecount for Day 2  merk (8): Scientastic, xopods, Squiggly, hambeet, Jose Valasquez, Sub Rosa, b-minus1, Nep-Nep, Sandwolf, Maigius (5): CapnAndy, Scientastic (2): merk, CapnAndy (1): Voodoofly Sandwolf (0): merk, SalTheBard (0): Scientastic, b-minus1 (0): CapnAndy, Spoonsy (0): xopods, Nep-Nep (0): Scientastic, Not Voting (6): CapitalistPig, cheese sandwich, Maigius, MisterJed, Mr. Humalong, SalTheBardWith 22 alive, it's 12 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 04th, 2020 at 6 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 9 hours, 42 minutes. Days will be 48 hours, nights are 24 hours.
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Jun 4, 2020 13:17
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CapitalistPig posted:I tried to put you in my masonry cheese but it failed. Do people read this as a serious claim of being a mason recruiter? I thought it was a joke between cheese and pig on D1 but can't tell if this is still a joke or an actual role claim.
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Jun 4, 2020 14:11
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i took it to be a joke, personally.
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Jun 4, 2020 14:22
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in line with pigs d1 posting
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Jun 4, 2020 14:22
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hambeet posted:in line with pigs d1 posting D1?
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Jun 4, 2020 14:26
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Sub Rosa posted:Do people read this as a serious claim of being a mason recruiter? I thought it was a joke between cheese and pig on D1 but can't tell if this is still a joke or an actual role claim. A serious claim would require cpig to do something of value in this game, so it is definitely a joke
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Jun 4, 2020 14:27
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Sub Rosa posted:Do people read this as a serious claim of being a mason recruiter? I thought it was a joke between cheese and pig on D1 but can't tell if this is still a joke or an actual role claim. FWIW I took it as a serious claim of a mason recruiter that failed to recruit
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Jun 4, 2020 14:28
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merk posted:D1? 
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Jun 4, 2020 14:29
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Jose Valasquez posted:A serious claim would require cpig to do something of value in this game, so it is definitely a joke Rekt
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Jun 4, 2020 14:41
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Now that I’ve cooled off, I can look for scum again. Sleeping on the Sandwolf case made me think it is not all that great. I still feel good about scientastic.
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Jun 4, 2020 14:42
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Sub Rosa posted:Do people read this as a serious claim of being a mason recruiter? I thought it was a joke between cheese and pig on D1 but can't tell if this is still a joke or an actual role claim. I had hopes that he was serious but now I'm just mad at the tease Objectively probably in line with his d1 as others have said
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Jun 4, 2020 15:00
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Jose Valasquez posted:Mostly reiterating what's been said already, but Maigius has an interesting role that isn't very useful to the town. He buried PQ and his stuff so that nobody could take it but then someone took it anyway. Also he can tell who takes the stuff for some reason, which seems very useful to the town! Imo after thinking & sleeping on it idk if we can really say whether his role is inherently scummy or not without knowing more about the setup and whether access to flipped players or knowledge about who has that access benefits scum more or less than town I probably said something similar last night but rn I'm still pretty neutral on the role and leaning town on him for how he's played it
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Jun 4, 2020 15:05
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Looking at Steaks posting he does a bit of dancing around CapnAndy that pinged me a bit Shading voodoo for posting about Andy; Mr. Steak@Voodoofly posted:dude, what are you even trying to get at here? you think andy is legit scum and so is pq...? Mr. Steak posted:
towncalling Sci for dragging Andy, there were a few subsequent town calls on Sci from Steak Mr. Steak posted:
Mr. Steak@Andy posted:thats a surprising amount of words for such a nothing vote-reason. u just trying to plump up your vote post so it looks serious? Just from these interactions & my gut one of Sci & Andy is probably scum. Leaning towards the latter atm
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Jun 4, 2020 15:23
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cheese sandwich posted:Just from these interactions & my gut one of Sci & Andy is probably scum. Leaning towards the latter atm Hmmm. I hadn't thought about how Steak's flip affects the Sci/Andy fight. You do have a point that calling everyone Town who voted for Andy, without voting Andy himself seems like the sort of clumsy plan Steak would come up with if he were Scum with Andy. Thing is though, in all other regards I find Sci way scummier than Andy... the effort he's putting into the merk case seems particularly weird today given how likely a merk lunch looks already. I think someone suggested that this whole fight has been merk and Sci hard bussing each other, and that's really what it looks like to me. Andy's been mostly alright, except for playing Sci's probably-not-joking case off as if it was a joke from the start. I do agree that Sci's probably not on Steak's team, but in this game that doesn't necessarily mean Sci isn't scum. Two kills, two Town factions at least one of which matches a Scum faction, etc. looks like two Scum teams to me.
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Jun 4, 2020 15:34
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with how the rest of the day's gone I still think merk is objectively the better lunch for info, I don't really have much to add. Other scum reads I'll probably look harder at tomorrow: xopods, Andy, maybe Sci? I've been feeling a little better on Sci. I really want to spend more time looking at Andy but I've spent the last hour and a bit not working and that's going to bite me. I also want to look closer at the votes on Maigius tomorrow when I have more time because a lot of those votes felt lazy and opportunistic ##vote merk work time. I'll still be at work for deadline but I'll be in and out during the day
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Jun 4, 2020 15:57
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cheese sandwich posted:objectively the better lunch for info uhhh what
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Jun 4, 2020 16:00
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Jose Valasquez posted:This isn't merk's town game. He's spent the entire day defensive instead of scum hunting. Town merk would vote for this merk This vote is not correct and a lazy excuse to jump on a bandwagon. I've cased Scientastic aggressively, cased Sandwolf (which I think isn't that strong now), and am actively looking for scum. This is the scummiest vote on me right now. ##vote Jose Nep-Nep's vote was really scummy as well as I pointed out. However, I don't really know how to parse the re-evaluation and unvote. I think that's a townie move but am not sure.
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I really want merk to be scum but some of these votes on him are pretty bad Unfortunately all of merks votes are on people voting him which is not a good look either I think, hesitantly, I'm going to vote Maigius who has pretty much disappeared from the convo since merk appeared as a prime target and a lot of bandwagon votes popped up ##vote maigius Getting cold feet. I liked sandwolfs reasons but sandwolf wasn't even voting him while stoking the fire
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Jun 4, 2020 17:46
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lol merk just told Squiggly to stop bussing him
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Jun 4, 2020 18:00
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Seriously, look at this waffling Defend Squiggly posted:Town merk is too good at scum hunting. It's a curse, really Attack and defend Squiggly posted:He looks scummy because he hadn't come up with a rock solid case yet. I think there are more egregious scummy things than a meta case currently Hard defend Squiggly posted:I think your own words did not say that even if it's what you meant Squiggly posted:I find this wrong and disingenuous. He very clearly said he thought steak was town due to meta Squiggly posted:Defense of steak Attack with a hint of defend Squiggly posted:This is a scum merk move though Squiggly posted:If maigius had come out with all of this at once this day would look a lot different Defend Squiggly posted:I actually think merks refusal to claim is the towniest thing he's done today and I can't really explain why Attack Squiggly posted:Sandwolf is so fuego Defend Squiggly posted:I really want merk to be scum but some of these votes on him are pretty bad Dude definitely doesn't want to launch his scum buddy but doesn't want to look too buddy buddy with him
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CapnAndy posted:I never claimed to have followed you and I think my only post since your full claim was to ask if anyone could do me a favor and and summarize sci. My bad on what you were doing last night. I still don't have the best feeling about you. I have this vague feeling you and Spoonsy were staging an argument earlier in the day. Merk honestly has been pinging more as town, but it's hard to say why.
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The first quote is an attack actually, because he wasn't scum hunting I also called merk out yesterday for not participating like I expect town merk to It's unfortunate that I don't know anyone's alignment and thus have to change my mind when new info is presented Your vote actually pushed me to consider him as town, interestingly enough
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