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sandnavyguy posted:Steak we are not at lylo. That is an argument once we get past at least what, D3? GenericGirlName posted:I don’t like this post. And it’s not the survivor part, it’s the “why are you considering the impact of lurkers at lylo? We’re no where near lylo!” GenericGirlName posted:What value is there in either of those scenarios to keeping that player around until it is late enough in the game that we are choosing between disposing of them or someone that we have strong scum cases on? Please respond to the actual question I asked you. sandnavyguy posted:What was all that Y’all have been saying about go ahead and shoot, it’ll be fine? Cause it looks like I was absolutely right, and y’all are jumping down my throat. No told you who to shoot. Sorry that your choice of target is resulting in people building cases.
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Mr. Steak posted:ok so why did you shoot someone with no case on them whatsoever? Bif was attacking them tbh I think it makes sense not from a townie perspective but from a personal (SNG) perspective I also thought Bif would flip scum so I didn’t see anything wrong with it tbh
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Jul 23, 2020 23:59
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Mr. Steak posted:ok so why did you shoot someone with no case on them whatsoever? Excuse me? Take a look at vote finder. Also, take a look at your own posts, and bif’s posts from early D1. Compared to hum the case was iron-fricking clad, and I gave my own opinion on the drat list I posted after being called out for lurking. Which is EXACTLY why I didn’t wanna shoot yesterday. But had I not tried to give us more time, they STILL would be my choice, just 20 hours ago.
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Jul 23, 2020 23:59
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the tragedy here is sng is probably town. there is no way, in a hypothetical sng and i scum team universe, would i let sng gun anyone at this stage and especially not a prolific poster. he might cop a vote or two for holding out till end of day, but at least holding to that principle would be easier to defend against than what has transpired.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:00
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Okay, that escalated. I should make my opinion known, so: I don't actually think SNG's scum. My read before the shot was that he was playing scared; jumping at his own shadow, qualifying every opinion, wanting the town to take the decision of who to shoot out of his hands. And I totally get why that came off scummy, not wanting to make definitive cases so you always have an out is a scumtell. But to me it read as fear from being the only power in an otherwise VT game. With the bif shot... that was anger, obviously. Bif got under his skin and maaaaaybe it's unwise to provoke the dude with the gun. So what I see is a guy who was scared, caught heat for it, and got frustrated so he (literally!) popped off. And what I keep thinking is, wouldn't scum have just talked it over with their buddies? Blown off steam and come up with a plan to regroup? SNG's playing like a dude who's all alone and doesn't like it very much. This looks like a town meltdown to me.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:00
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to clarify, if i was town vanilla i would have shot by now too at the moment it would have been funniest.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:00
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I don’t think I’ll vote SNG for this, I see the case, and I do think he’s been scummy, but this case feels... like.. he shot town. but we can’t lunch for that every day.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:01
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Conversely it’s good cover for a bad scum shoot
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Jul 24, 2020 00:01
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t a s t e posted:Conversely it’s good cover for a bad scum shoot So inversely, people who shoot scum are confirmed town? (Fire & ice setup)
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Jul 24, 2020 00:02
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t a s t e posted:Conversely it’s good cover for a bad scum shoot yeah in this case i dont think so. when you're on a team of 3, playing fast and loose is probably not the best. BUT THAT WORKED FOR US LAST GAME
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Jul 24, 2020 00:02
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t a s t e posted:Conversely it’s good cover for a bad scum shoot
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Jul 24, 2020 00:02
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Sandwolf posted:So inversely, people who shoot scum are confirmed town? (Fire & ice setup) No, that doesn’t logically follow. Necessary and sufficient
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Jul 24, 2020 00:02
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What’s the actual # of people who explicitly told SNG they had to shoot the gun right this moment or else?
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Jul 24, 2020 00:03
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beet get out of my head
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Jul 24, 2020 00:03
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CapnAndy posted:Naw, "gently caress you buddy *BANG*" is just a bad shot period Sure, but it’s plausible that a given bad shot might be viewed as more forgivable in the eyes of sympathetic, misguided town when it’s borne out of frustration
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Jul 24, 2020 00:03
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t think I’ll vote SNG for this, I see the case, and I do think he’s been scummy, but this case feels... like.. he shot town. but we can’t lunch for that every day. sandwolf admits he's happy for town to die. more news at 11am.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:03
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GenericGirlName posted:Please respond to the actual question I asked you. I did? Did you even read my posts? quote="sandnavyguy" post="506725323"] Because eliminating a player unlikely to be scum is antithetical to being useful. If they are complete dead weight and don’t vote or anything they allow the game to be weighted in towns favor. It’s a possible NK that doesn’t harm towns planning team (though it’s unlikely they’ll do that it still is an option.), an extra body keeps the majority vote high which requires more town to be on board with the lunch if we begin paring the number down helping prevent a scum rush led turbo, and in a game with multiple vigs, gives additional time to figure out which vote leader to lunch and which to flip early. Eliminating them just wastes a vig. [/quote] But if you mean to focus on the last part of your question, leaving them on is a mute abstaining vote. Inherently it shrinks scum in comparison to the non scum majority. Like I already said.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:04
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I disagree beet, if I’m scum I’m killing anyone who’s not my alignment on d1and being content w that
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Jul 24, 2020 00:04
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Sigh I’m posting on mobile please pretend that I had an open bracket at the beginning of my quote
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Jul 24, 2020 00:05
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Sng did you play under a different name or is that thunderdome av just seared into my head from others
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Jul 24, 2020 00:06
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t a s t e posted:Sng did you play under a different name or is that thunderdome av just seared into my head from others lot of bad writers that play mafia, go figure
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Jul 24, 2020 00:08
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Nope this is my fourth game (5th if you include 10 minutes in Gushers)
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Jul 24, 2020 00:09
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that was a scummy shot but also a lot of the lazy "welp" votes on sng feel scummy, too which makes sense, since there's two scum teams!
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Jul 24, 2020 00:10
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t a s t e posted:I disagree beet, if I’m scum I’m killing anyone who’s not my alignment on d1and being content w that Yah but I’m not sure SNG has that acumen yet
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Jul 24, 2020 00:11
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I had a vig in the cuomo game and I waited til D2 before using it, I think D1 vigs are useless to be honest.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:12
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Mr. Humalong posted:that was a scummy shot but also a lot of the lazy "welp" votes on sng feel scummy, too Once again I agree with you. I would rather lunch anyone currently voting sng insteadi of lunching sng.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:12
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Mr. Humalong posted:that was a scummy shot but also a lot of the lazy "welp" votes on sng feel scummy, too I also don’t see an entire team of three, or even two of three, scum rushing to vote on that, though.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:12
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sandnavyguy posted:-snipt for length- Maybe I’m not explaining my question right. Why did you want to shut down discussion of how a lurker(of any kind of alignment) BEFORE it becomes an imminent problem? Follow up, when would you think it’s appropriate to have that discussion as a whole town?
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Jul 24, 2020 00:12
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My town list continues to grow. Taste Hambeet Sng
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Jul 24, 2020 00:13
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Of the votes on SNG, taste feels like he’s trying to push it the most, think I’ll vote there ##vote taste
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Jul 24, 2020 00:13
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I will support any of bifs list
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Jul 24, 2020 00:13
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Six votes, that’s all the scum. Book ‘em!
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Jul 24, 2020 00:14
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Sandwolf posted:Of the votes on SNG, taste feels like he’s trying to push it the most, think I’ll vote there Lmao lord help me but it’s time to go back to the old me
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Jul 24, 2020 00:14
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GenericGirlName posted:Maybe I’m not explaining my question right. Why did you want to shut down discussion of how a lurker(of any kind of alignment) BEFORE it becomes an imminent problem? Follow up, when would you think it’s appropriate to have that discussion as a whole town? After we have at least on flip based on votes. Then, we can look at it in terms of “this person is t getting replaced” and also, I haven’t mentioned this yet but uh, there’s a post limit right? They’d be a free mod kill by that point. why waste bullets? I’m just confused why this isn’t coming across well.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:15
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E+ asked for a replacement in gen thread
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Jul 24, 2020 00:16
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what I’m saying is that town or not Bif’s suggestion is laughably in favor of scum. Can anyone argue why it WOULD be a good idea to waste a shot on a non poster?
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Jul 24, 2020 00:16
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Sandwolf posted:I also don’t see an entire team of three, or even two of three, scum rushing to vote on that, though. GenericGirlName posted:Six votes, that’s all the scum. Book ‘em! 
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Jul 24, 2020 00:17
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sandnavyguy posted:I had a vig in the cuomo game and I waited til D2 before using it, I think D1 vigs are useless to be honest. idk I killed the SK with my day 1 vig, maybe they're only useful in the properly skilled hands
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Jul 24, 2020 00:17
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sandnavyguy posted:what I’m saying is that town or not Bif’s suggestion is laughably in favor of scum. Can anyone argue why it WOULD be a good idea to waste a shot on a non poster? If you are town SNG you need to drop this immediately, because you continuing to harp on it is very scummy
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Mr. Humalong posted:idk I killed the SK with my day 1 vig, maybe they're only useful in the properly skilled hands My hands are very unskilled that’s true.
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