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10G also means you can have machines using the 10G SFP+ cages that are typically available on 10G switches. SFP+ has an order of magnitude lower latency than 8P8C RJ45 - which is quite useful if you're doing iSCSI or even NFS, especially if they're diskless systems. iSCSI over Ethernet does require jumboframes though, as you almost always want to go with 4kB sectors and that's more than can fit in a standard Ethernet frame.
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Potato Salad posted:a huge caveat for infinite band at home core driver and hardware compatibility matrices for infiniband are notoriously strict and complex Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:
Are they paid by Intel, or are there weird brain things happening here?
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Are they paid by Intel, or are there weird brain things happening here? The intel subreddit doesn't allow links from their site, but I don't know if Intel had any say in that. The real criminal part is their site has some great data. When you want to compare performance of older hardware against newer there's no other great resource. When you want to see if you have something misconfigured and compare each part of your system against the average person who benchmarks there it's a great site too. The data/service they provide is so good that some reviewers were fearful it'd cut into their market share. But the site doesn't capitalize on this stuff and instead keeps doubling down on conspiracy theories. I used to assume the people running the site were 12-15. The site has been around too long for that to be true at this point. Khorne fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Are they paid by Intel, or are there weird brain things happening here? One hopes Intel's marketing department would be smart enough to tell them to tone it down a bit if they were calling the shots.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Are they paid by Intel, or are there weird brain things happening here? Intel does love spending marketing money in ways that make them look like stupid assholes lately.
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spunkshui posted:Intel does love spending marketing money in ways that make them look like stupid assholes lately. Always has been meme etc
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gradenko_2000 posted:and the distinguishing feature is a design that utilizes a combination of "big" cores (high performance) and "little" cores (high efficiency), something that's been tried only previously with ARM designs for mobile devices. https://www.anandtech.com/show/15877/intel-hybrid-cpu-lakefield-all-you-need-to-know Khorne posted:When you want to compare performance of older hardware against newer there's no other great resource. For CPU comparisons there is https://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU-2020/2758
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There are still some rumors going around that the Rocket Lake numbers are not representative of final performance. Seems that there are both new bios and microcode revisions showing up at the vendors now that are dramatic. I really hate that both CPU vendors end up pushing out stuff that needs day 1 patches and whose full performance needs to “mature” over its first year, but I guess that’s just the DIY business these days.
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Cygni posted:There are still some rumors going around that the Rocket Lake numbers are not representative of final performance. Seems that there are both new bios and microcode revisions showing up at the vendors now that are dramatic. And Xbox One has one hidden GPU in the powerbrick and another under the soc.
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No I mean actual rumors, not forum warrioring. https://twitter.com/capframex/status/1368335809011740672
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gradenko_2000 posted:
Just good ol' worthless userbenchmark at it again
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I dunno what they are arguing about but tbh I do think AT’s review is more of a preview without the final BIOSes. Zen2’s launch shoulda taught us all that. Yes I know the retailer hosed up and sent the retail parts out early.
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Don't see what the bios could do, it's the basically the same chip they been selling for 5 years.
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"But the final BIOS will change everything!" is like the hardware version of the classic gaming beta "Don't worry guys the day zero patch will fix everything on release." I think it's true just about as often, too.
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Perplx posted:Don't see what the bios could do, it's the basically the same chip they been selling for 5 years. It's explicitly not though, which is why people (including me) were excited for it. It is the same manufacturing technology, but a totally different architecture for the first time for Intel on desktop since 2015. Just like Zen 2 and Zen 3 are on the same node but have large performance differences, a lot of people were expecting big things. As of right now, thats looking unlikely.
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Cygni posted:I dunno what they are arguing about but tbh I do think AT’s review is more of a preview without the final BIOSes. Zen2’s launch shoulda taught us all that. Orders were closed for a while, but the other day the page was back up. Wonder if they thought since they'd be fined anyways may as well scalp as many orders as possible.
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I’m gonna have to manually OC my 10900KF to get the most out of it, aren’t I? I just went from a 212 evo cooler to a MSI Coreliquid 240 and it’s keeping my temps way down but my cinebench score only went up by about 80 points.
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Gwaihir posted:"But the final BIOS will change everything!" is like the hardware version of the classic gaming beta "Don't worry guys the day zero patch will fix everything on release." Yeah CapFrameX isn't always the best source, excellent software though.
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gradenko_2000 posted:In 2015, Intel released processors based on the "Skylake" architecture. This architecture was based on a 14nm manufacturing process, and the CPUs were marketed as their 6th generation of Core processors (i.e. the i7-6700K) Wow. Thank you for breaking things down like this.
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Cygni posted:It's explicitly not though, which is why people (including me) were excited for it. It is the same manufacturing technology, but a totally different architecture for the first time for Intel on desktop since 2015. Just like Zen 2 and Zen 3 are on the same node but have large performance differences, a lot of people were expecting big things. As of right now, thats looking unlikely. Just give in and by Zen 3.
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There are advantages to PGA, too. While it's a pain to unbend their pins, it's at least feasible - good luck unfucking an LGA which has taken any damage at all.
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1. buy one of them graphite pad things so you never have to worry about reapplying paste 2. once you put the CPU into the socket, never take it out BING BONG SO SIMPLE
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SourKraut posted:Just give in and by Zen 3. I probably already would have if the 5950X was in stock tbh
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SourKraut posted:Just give in and by Zen 3. What about then Zen 4 though
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Probably just wiser to stick with what you have and buy a DDR5 platform next year. Supposing whatever you have is not too bad, like my 8700K.
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Ihmemies posted:Probably just wiser to stick with what you have and buy a DDR5 platform next year. Supposing whatever you have is not too bad, like my 8700K. I'm going to guess DDR5 is going to be ridiculously expensive, and people will be longing for the days of DDR4 pricing, just like people longed for the days of DDR3 pricing HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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Shipon posted:If only AMD would get rid of its PGA packaging and move to LGA like they should, lol at the idea of ripping the CPU out of the socket with your heatsink. The socket not having a mechanism to hold the CPU down is pretty garbage, quite honestly. I don't see why they couldn't do that with PGA.
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HalloKitty posted:I'm going to guess DDR5 is going to be ridiculously expensive, and people will be longing for the days of DDR4 pricing, just like people longed for the days of DDR3 pricing I bought 16gb of DDR3 in 2012 for $70. You can now buy 16gb of DDR4 in 2021 for $70
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Inept posted:I bought 16gb of DDR3 in 2012 for $70. You can now buy 16gb of DDR4 in 2021 for $70 I bought 16gb of DDR4 for $140 in 2018 
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Inept posted:I bought 16gb of DDR3 in 2012 for $70. You can now buy 16gb of DDR4 in 2021 for $70 It's OK that there's parity, but there wasn't for a quite some time, and also, the fact that we can buy the same amount of RAM for the same money is extremely disappointing. The same cash (or even a tiny bit less with inflation) should buy a lot more RAM so many years on.. that's how it always used to be Edit: thought I'd dig through some old orders. £85.98 bought you 2x 256MB DDR PC2700 back in 2002, nobody would have been happy paying (adjusted for inflation) £120 in 2012 for 512MB of RAM, even if it was DDR3, and faster vv Speed isn't the best argument, as speed always increased through generations, whilst price per GB always dropped. All I'm saying is that the added complexity of DDR5 has me worried with regards to price, seeing as trends haven't exactly been favourable HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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HalloKitty posted:It's good that there's parity, but there wasn't for a quite some time, and also, the fact that we can buy the same amount of RAM for the same money is godawful. The same cash should buy a lot more RAM so many years on.. that's how it always used to be Yeah, but the $70 DDR4 is considerably faster than the $70 DDR3. You can also get lovely 16GB DDR4 for $60, and $70 in 2012 dollars is $80 in 2020 dollars, so now you're talking faster RAM at the same size capacity at 75% of the price. It's not amazing, but RAM just hasn't advanced as quickly as things like mass storage have. 8/16GB has also proven to be "enough" for desktop users for a lot longer than 1/2/4GB in the DDR3 days did, which is keeping demand for larger capacities down.
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HalloKitty posted:It's OK that there's parity, but there wasn't for a quite some time, and also, the fact that we can buy the same amount of RAM for the same money is extremely disappointing. The same cash (or even a tiny bit less with inflation) should buy a lot more RAM so many years on.. that's how it always used to be I was agreeing with you. It's bullshit that RAM prices haven't gone down in 8 years and more evidence of price fixing.
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Inept posted:I was agreeing with you. It's bullshit that RAM prices haven't gone down in 8 years and more evidence of price fixing. Right, got it, sorry, I wasn't 100% sure which way you were going with it. Still, it was a fun trip down memory lane to look at historic pricing, if nothing else
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Hello everyone! Just a quick note to help out the folks who browse by bookmarks. We've started a SH/SC feedback thread and would love it if you stopped by to say hi and let us know what you think. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3961558
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