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Freudian posted:Beloved by the Irish, but has yet to act in their favour. 
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Freudian posted:Beloved by the Irish, but has yet to act in their favour. 
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Spacegrass posted:I've been going to spiritual/Christian chat rooms and the 'leader' there said Jesus was God in the flesh. I do not believe that because of the things Jesus said; for example: "My God why have you forsaken me!?", "I do the will of my Father." etc. I guess everyone has their own beliefs, but they can get really disturbing and confusing. The Holy Trinity is a divine mystery that we aren't going to completely understand in this world. Another thing to keep in mind is that Jesus Christ came into this world in order to live His life as an example for how we are to live our lives; same reason He got baptized, and did several other things; not because He needed to but to show us what we should do.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:I’m having a sleep study done tonight. Please pray they find something, (hopefully apnea) that can be addressed and enable me to live a better, fuller life. If it's any consolation I am literally in this exact situation (just diagnosed with apnea last month, a few weeks on CPAP) and I had not realized just how much I wasn't getting a good night's sleep until I suddenly was getting the support needed to not choke out in the middle of the night constantly. It is somewhat hard to get used to (I still have issues breathing through my nose for the machine, particularly with how often I'm stuffy, though part of that is the apnea trained my body to breath through the mouth) and they will probably have to adjust the pressure and such, but even a few weeks in it is a major life improvement for me just to actually be fully rested when I wake up in the morning. So I assure you it's worth doing this if you do have a problem, it has indeed been improving my life to address this.
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Somehow I never realized that some people say an extra line at the end of the Lord's Prayer. "For the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours forever." I saw a sign with this version of the prayer at a bookstore and did a double take.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Somehow I never realized that some people say an extra line at the end of the Lord's Prayer. There are a whole bunch of minor variants that are really funny when you get a bunch of Christians who were raised in different places/from different denominations together and go SURELY WE ALL HAVE THIS IN COMMON.
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Yeah, I never noticed it until I was Episcopalian. I think in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, it's traditionally supposed to be a priest who says that part, though I've seen it in some prayer books for laypeople. In Orthodoxy it's modified to "For Thine is the Kingdom and the power and the glory, of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, now and forever and to the ages of ages."docbeard posted:There are a whole bunch of minor variants that are really funny when you get a bunch of Christians who were raised in different places/from different denominations together and go SURELY WE ALL HAVE THIS IN COMMON.
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docbeard posted:There are a whole bunch of minor variants that are really funny when you get a bunch of Christians who were raised in different places/from different denominations together and go SURELY WE ALL HAVE THIS IN COMMON. This factors in to one of my favorite episodes of Moral Orel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1yVtu9NTY
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Somehow I never realized that some people say an extra line at the end of the Lord's Prayer. That's in the United Methodist version, IIRC. I remember hearing it from my grandparents on my Mom's side. "United Methodist Hymnal #270 posted:Our Father who art in heaven, https://hymnary.org/hymn/UMH/page/270
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Liquid Communism posted:That's in the United Methodist version, IIRC. I remember hearing it from my grandparents on my Mom's side. episcopal is the same way except it's "forever and ever"
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Keromaru5 posted:Yeah, I never noticed it until I was Episcopalian. I think in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, it's traditionally supposed to be a priest who says that part, though I've seen it in some prayer books for laypeople. In Orthodoxy it's modified to "For Thine is the Kingdom and the power and the glory, of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, now and forever and to the ages of ages." "To the ages of ages" also was occasionally traditionally translated with the possibly-dubious but badass-sounding "world without end".
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docbeard posted:Anyway, as for the Community/Twelve Tribes themselves, I definitely got more of a "new religious movement" vibe off them than a "scam" vibe. We were not pressured to stay, or to join up though they were certainly happy to tell us about themselves and we got loaded down with literature. Mark definitely chatted me up a few times about the group after that, too, but he backed off when I wasn't interested, and I think he was pretty typical of their number, at least those I ran into. Their beliefs are absolutely not my beliefs, and I think their treatment of women in particular is appalling, but I'm not sure I'd think of them that differently from any other separatist religious group beyond that. Yeah, they are quite a rabbit hole though https://www.thedailybeast.com/twelve-tribes-the-church-preached-child-abuse-and-slavery https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2018/darkness quote:
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Britney swam the Tiber, supposedly. https://twitter.com/ZacMabry/status/1423449449959919616?s=19 St. Dymphna, please pray for her. Our Father...
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I can't help but be skeptical given that celebrities treat their spirituality like they treat their marriages a lot of the time.
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If there's one person who needs Jesus it's Britney. She's been through the wringer
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TOOT BOOT posted:I can't help but be skeptical given that celebrities treat their spirituality like they treat their marriages a lot of the time. I doubt any of this has to to with their celebrity and more to do with having their lives examined publicly far more than the rest of us.
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I see no reason to think her conversion isn't genuine. I do know, also, that she currently has an IUD or a coil fitted and she wants rid of it. I wonder if the courts would be more amenable to that now that it's a religious requirement. Not saying she's being cynical, just wondering if that would make a difference.
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I honestly hope that faith gives her comfort. Fame has done terrible things to her life and her family.
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HopperUK posted:I see no reason to think her conversion isn't genuine. I do know, also, that she currently has an IUD or a coil fitted and she wants rid of it. I wonder if the courts would be more amenable to that now that it's a religious requirement. Not saying she's being cynical, just wondering if that would make a difference. I try not to pay attention to celebrity stuff, but was she forced to receive the IUD due to her father having those custodian rights or whatever? If so... Mother of Mercy that is evil. Time for some prayers then.
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Yes she was. Her family is also forcing her to perform constantly to make money that they steal from her as administrator fees.
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mycophobia posted:episcopal is the same way except it's "forever and ever" Yeah. I grew up with High Church Anglicanism and it never occurred to me that this was "different" in some way. Freaking me out! Pershing posted:Britney swam the Tiber, supposedly. I hope she's serious about it and it helps her. I feel somewhat jealous of her finding faith (much as I am of most people in this thread) as I feel like I want it for the sense of purpose and safety but can't quite get there.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:I try not to pay attention to celebrity stuff, but was she forced to receive the IUD due to her father having those custodian rights or whatever? If so... Mother of Mercy that is evil. I don't know if she was forced to receive it, but she is being forced to keep it and has stated she wants rid of it because she'd like to have another child. Right now she is basically a non-person in the eyes of the law. It's pretty miserable.
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I don't know whether the guardianship arrangement is overall a good or bad thing but she is someone that had a significant and public mental breakdown some years ago, aspects of which might not have been made public.
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TOOT BOOT posted:I don't know whether the guardianship arrangement is overall a good or bad thing but she is someone that had a significant and public mental breakdown some years ago, aspects of which might not have been made public. She's also someone who had people with no fiduciary duty to her controlling her estate and forcing her to perform to enrich them, one being her father. She pulled in roughly $30m a year while working from 2008-2020, and over the course of this conservatorship her estate's value has dropped from $350m to $60m while she has no control of her money and no one financially responsible to her in control of it until the last month or so either. That whole situation is a huge mess, and I feel for her. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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Gaius Marius posted:Yes she was. Her family is also forcing her to perform constantly to make money that they steal from her as administrator fees. How is forcing someone to receive an IUD legal? Didn't we ban forced eugenics and sterilization and the like after the 40s in the USA? If not, mega yikes.
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She's in a conservatorship so she's legally not in control of her own affairs. To be fair I don't know if the IUD precedes her conservatorship, but she's publicly stated she wants it removed. The whole situation is absolutely hosed. She was raised by her parents purely to make money for them, and the courts have allowed them to take her agency even as an adult.
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Gaius Marius posted:She's in a conservatorship so she's legally not in control of her own affairs. To be fair I don't know if the IUD precedes her conservatorship, but she's publicly stated she wants it removed. We're also only getting her side of the story, and she doesn't seem to be quite all there. I don't really know what to believe. It's just sad on a lot of levels. I hope and pray there is a positive resolution of it eventually.
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I broke my foot yesterday and can't get a cast until next week. If the bone moves too much between now and then I'll need surgery. I have a 3 year old and a very active hobby that requires my feet to be in tip-top shape, so needless to say I'd like a quick and full recovery. Please pray for me. Also pray for Brittany because that situation is all kinds of hosed up and has been forever.
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Deteriorata posted:We're also only getting her side of the story, and she doesn't seem to be quite all there. I don't really know what to believe. The main red flag is that the people are making decisions on her behalf have decided that the things she should be forced to do just so happen to be exactly the things make everyone else a tremendous amount of money. She does need a miracle, and I'm hopeful that God will take care of her. It reminds me a little bit of Kanye West's conversion, although he at least has personal agency. A really famous person with a difficult personal life and mental health problems suddenly decides to become a Christian? I had (and have) my doubts, but if I'm being honest it's gone better than one might reasonably have expected.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:How is forcing someone to receive an IUD legal? Didn't we ban forced eugenics and sterilization and the like after the 40s in the USA? My understanding is that the conservatorship was awarded on the grounds that she was not mentally fit to take care of herself, both financially and in her personal life. This basically makes an adult a child in the eyes of the law - her guardians have similar decision making rights for her as a parent making decisions for their children, especially when it comes to medical decisions.* My understanding - and again, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just some rear end in a top hat who googled some stuff when this was making headlines so anyone who spots some place that I'm wrong please correct me - is that these arrangements are more normally for people with profound mental illness or mental disability. Someone in that situation might be put on birth control by their legal guardians for the simple reason that they're not really capable of raising a child and it's questionable whether they understand the implications of protected vs unprotected sex etc. What really makes all this eye popping is that there's nothing about Brittney that really says she has those kinds of limitations, and it's pretty mind boggling how a judge granted that degree of control over her life in the first place. edit: also note that the laws surrounding all of this differ state by state. *kind of the reverse case happens when a minor wants birth control. Some states require parental consent for medical treatment of a minor, others are making moves to expressly carve out birth control because a 17 year old should probably have access to that without their parents having to know. Basically there's a lot of uncomfortable legal territory in the areas where a person is of an age where they are sexually mature and potentially sexually active, but are not considered legally adults and therefore can't make certain decisions on their own. Legal guardianship and conservatorships just expand that out to people who are unequivocally adults, vs. the more common conversations surrounding teenagers.
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Slimy Hog posted:I broke my foot yesterday and can't get a cast until next week. If the bone moves too much between now and then I'll need surgery. Chaplet incoming. If you got Legos, might be a good way to distract the kiddo.
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Slimy Hog posted:I broke my foot yesterday and can't get a cast until next week. If the bone moves too much between now and then I'll need surgery. May your foot heal as fast and as painless as possible. Amen.
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Slimy Hog posted:I broke my foot yesterday and can't get a cast until next week. If the bone moves too much between now and then I'll need surgery. Very sorry to hear, that sounds awful. God be with you.
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A lawyer's overview of the Britney Spears situation for those interested. As for her conversion or lack thereof, not my place to judge. If it's real and sincere, good for her. https://i.imgur.com/R5q35Or.mp4
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Y'all are hemming and hawing an awful loving lot over the possible good intentions behind a law that enables her family to rape her and force her to perform for money they get to a point where she's clearly having a(nother) mental breakdown.
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No one in this thread is trying to justify conservatorship or say that it's a good thing in that situation, that's the like the complete opposite of what folks have said in this thread, myself included. A lot of people are just shocked that a situation like this could have happened in the 21st century in the USA.
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Tias posted:Y'all are hemming and hawing an awful loving lot over the possible good intentions behind a law that enables her family to rape her and force her to perform for money they get to a point where she's clearly having a(nother) mental breakdown. I admittedly haven't followed that closely, I'm just wondering whether she was dianosed with a serious mental illness or something and that's how we ended up here. It seems crazy that an adult woman, and a well-known celebrity at that, can have her driving privileges and reproductive capability under someone else's control.
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She has herself said she has bi-polar personality disorder, and seems to identify with it - but has also reported that her psychiatrist and psychologist now are in her family's clutches, and largely serve to tell her no and give her sedatives.
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