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Maugrim posted:Nd6+ doesn't work because rook can take. I think it's -
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Maugrim posted:Nd6+ doesn't work because rook can take. I think it's - Rook can't take or else Qxc7#
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Oct 14, 2021 10:00
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Maugrim posted:Nd6+ doesn't work because rook can take. I think it's - Rook can't take because Nd6+ Rxd6 Qxc7#
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Oct 14, 2021 10:01
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i win at bullet posting
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Oct 14, 2021 10:01
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jesus WEP posted:i win at bullet posting This is why I play 10min posting!!!!
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Oct 14, 2021 10:02
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 So there's a few ways this can go. What I calculated and what computer thought was best was 1. Nb6 Kxb7 (takes Rook) 2. Nd6 (discovered check by the other Rook so Knight can't be taken) into 3 different legal moves: - If Kc8, then Qxc7 - If Ka7, Ka7, or Ka8, then Qa2, take the Rook when it blocks on Ra4 - If Rb4, then you do your own Rb4, and continue with either of the two above options depending on where the King moves. fisting by many said Nb6 then Kd7 but that's not legal because the Knight covers d7. What happened in the game was actually a relief compared to what I calculated: 1. Nb6 Kd8 2. Qxc7 Ke8 3. Qe7 Spent a whole minute in a 3 minute game on this. I was like "Everything's a check right?? I'm not hanging mate right????!! There's no other legal moves right??"
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Oct 14, 2021 10:41
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1. Nd6 not Nb6  That leaves 1. ...Kd8 as another option, but a bad one as 2. Qxc7#I might be wrong and missed a way for black to escape, it was hard to track all the moving parts.
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Oct 14, 2021 10:53
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fisting by many posted:1. Nd6 not Nb6 Oh my bad! Completely misread your first move and assumed everyone did the same one I did. No wonder when I was doing the line I was like "Huh? Nothing about this line makes sense." Turns out I no read good. So I actually didn't calculate Nb6 AT ALL in the match but according to Analysis you got it in this one with no ways to stop it too: fisting by many posted:"Circling the drain" Only the last move the computer is like "Rc7 instead of Qc7 man, that's cooler." I always feel like the computer keeps doing this. "Yeah man, you got that checkmate with the Queen, but we can do it in the same number of moves with a final pawn move instead."
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Oct 14, 2021 11:02
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i know poo poo happens in chess games but i am very amused at black’s little f7-h7 pawn shield while the king is chilling out on the c file
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Oct 14, 2021 12:05
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My Blitz rating is ~1200. I have a theory that up until quite a high rating, like 1600 maybe even higher almost all that counts is blunder density. I'm probably making ~3 blunders a game Like 0.5 blunders a game without good opening knowledge or positional play (never mind the stuff like color complexes or "middle game plans" which I only know as words), must be worth 1600. Although probably it doesn't matter anyway because who's going to learn like that. Also I thought blunder_density was a good name, so I made a new lichess account. I'm playing against higher rated players than I would normally and there are plenty of blunders here. I'm doing pretty well, only 6 games played, but 4.5/6 and current rating of 1682?  (I'm sure it will come back down arround 1200 before I loose that question mark though).So in conclusion: if you want a quick rating increase, make a new account lol
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Oct 14, 2021 13:40
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oh there's a whole 'nother page
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Oct 14, 2021 15:12
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Remember when we discussed pawn vs queen? Have a photo of a classic intro to chess book:  On the previous page, Tarasch explains how to draw pawn vs queen in the right circumstance. Page 46(left) explains how to prevent that draw if the pawn is a rank too late. Afterwards page 47 explains more advanced topics: "The hardest piece to move is the knight. It is the piece that looks like a horse's head. It is called "S", and moves like so: ....
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Oct 14, 2021 18:33
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Dirty Frank posted:My Blitz rating is ~1200. I have a theory that up until quite a high rating, like 1600 maybe even higher almost all that counts is blunder density. I'm probably making ~3 blunders a game Like 0.5 blunders a game without good opening knowledge or positional play (never mind the stuff like color complexes or "middle game plans" which I only know as words), must be worth 1600. Although probably it doesn't matter anyway because who's going to learn like that. All lichess games are archived and downloadable. When I get some free time, I might whip up a script to calculate some blunder density statistics. For the record, in the most recent blitz game I personally played (roughly 1000 vs. 1000), between us we managed to hang multiple pieces, fail to capture multiple hung pieces, and finally stalemate a comically lopsided (king and two queens vs. king) endgame. Sadly I was on the "king" end of that, but hey, I didn't lose. (Also, never resign.)
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Oct 15, 2021 00:32
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This sacrifice sequence was fake as hell, but it was bullet where I am in the ~1000 ELO range so it worked anyway. https://lichess.org/fgqqfnDe/black#33 I probably should stop playing Bullet tbh. I don't like not having time to think about what I'm doing--it really makes it uncomfortable to play against openings I'm not familiar with (which is most of them).
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Oct 15, 2021 20:58
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Bullet is fun for playing unsound gambits and bringing your Queen out early and pawn storming the kingside. All of my favorite bullet games involve me being down, like two pieces and a pawn and still finding mate — often with a Bishop, Queen, and a pawn on h6/h3. I play the stafford gambit so much that I am profoundly irritated when someone doesn’t take the pawn
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Oct 15, 2021 23:40
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You know how those lichess puzzles get extracted from real games? Toady I learned about what the opening explorer calls "french defence: normal variation" https://lichess.org/training/5kgCH
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Oct 18, 2021 02:08
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VictualSquid posted:You know how those lichess puzzles get extracted from real games? "Le Bongcloud"
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Oct 18, 2021 07:47
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Maugrim posted:"Le Bongcloud" that gives me a fun idea for a chess variant - swap the legal moves of king and queen but mating the king is still the objective
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Oct 18, 2021 08:38
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better yet, let the king move as a knight 
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Oct 18, 2021 09:48
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Oct 18, 2021 10:05
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Fried liver has almost pulled me back up to 650. Building habits has been great. I am still godawful and hang too many things but, improvement looks like it is coming.
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Oct 18, 2021 23:04
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BUG JUG posted:Fried liver has almost pulled me back up to 650. Building habits has been great. I am still godawful and hang too many things but, improvement looks like it is coming. I think this has been said, but at 650, openings are worthless. I would spend all my time doing tactics puzzles and reviewing my games. Possibly pick up Sierawan's tactics book. Being able to say (one move in advance) "ah, a pin!" or more often for me "oh crap, he could fork me" is worth its weight in gold.
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Oct 19, 2021 02:01
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At 650 it's not even tactics. It's just taking hanging pieces
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Oct 19, 2021 04:01
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Are spite timeouts a thing? Started an under-1400s tournament and reached this position with one of my opponents whereupon they vanished. Games are 5 days per move and they have half an hour left. I mean I'll take the W but I was having fun trying to work out how to extract my queen after ... Ke7 Qxh8 Ne8 - I believe it's doable but there's a lot of lines to think through. E: should maybe post the image, duh E2: they actually timed out on all their games so I guess they just quit playing Maugrim fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Oct 19, 2021 15:42
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Maugrim posted:Are spite timeouts a thing? Started an under-1400s tournament and reached this position with one of my opponents whereupon they vanished. Games are 5 days per move and they have half an hour left. Why wouldn't black just do ...Qd8 and not lose their rook?
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Oct 19, 2021 19:36
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I'm kinda surprised the evaluation is only +2.8, but who knows maybe their internet died when they kicked their modem in disappointment. edit: oops I had the white king on the wrong square its +6.3
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Oct 19, 2021 19:55
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Powered Descent posted:Why wouldn't black just do ...Qd8 and not lose their rook? Because then they quickly lose the b7 and b5 pawns for no gain, whereas letting me grab their other rook could potentially lead to them winning my queen (or whatever pieces I had to sacrifice to free her). I was trying to evaluate whether the queen trap line worked out better for them in the end. E: Probably dumb of me to even consider it - the engine thinks Ke7 is just a straight-up blunder and Qd8 is indeed the right move Maugrim fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Oct 19, 2021 21:11
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To reiterate the kinds of things you should be looking to for improvement at a low level, here's the Stockfish evaluation of my last game. I'm white (1001) vs black (1027), in 5+3 blitz. The first evaluation jump on move 2 is black hanging a pawn. The big jump on move 12, just after the middle game, is black allowing "enemy pawn moves forward one space, forking a knight and a bishop". The comical jump down (from mate-in-two to -1.2) just before the endgame is me failing to see that his bishop move exposed my queen to discovered attack that would have let him capture the queen at the cost of a rook. The comical jump immediately back up is him also failing to see that discovered attack. It's not exactly deep nuances of positional play or the latest grandmaster's deviation 12 moves deep in the Ruy Lopez. It's just whoever sticks their finger in the electric socket the fewest times. e: Helps to include the image: 
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Oct 20, 2021 02:19
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Maugrim posted:Because then they quickly lose the b7 and b5 pawns for no gain, whereas letting me grab their other rook could potentially lead to them winning my queen (or whatever pieces I had to sacrifice to free her). I was trying to evaluate whether the queen trap line worked out better for them in the end. Why wouldn't black answer Qxb7 with b4? Only one lost pawn and even then not really as b7 was only decoration. fisting by many fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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Oct 20, 2021 02:23
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fisting by many posted:Why wouldn't black answer Qxb7 with b4? Only one lost pawn and even then not really as b7 was only decoration. Black’s already down an exchange in that position, and has no obvious counterplay. That said, after Qd8, it’s probably more precise to trade queens, take the pawn on b5, and finish your development.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:30
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Captain von Trapp posted:It's just whoever sticks their finger in the electric socket the fewest times. Yep, it's not the first blunder that'll kill you, but the subsequent one the first one tilts you into.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:32
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We were discussing Annex Chess Club in Toronto a while ago and they have just announced they are reopening for casual play at the old Bathurst Street location: http://annexchessclub.com/2021/10/acc-reopening-october-25/ For others in the thread who were chess club regulars pre-COVID, what are things like with your club? I don't plan to go back to a club setting until my whole immediate family can be fully vaccinated or until the case numbers get very, very low...
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Oct 20, 2021 05:24
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fisting by many posted:Why wouldn't black answer Qxb7 with b4? Only one lost pawn and even then not really as b7 was only decoration. Mmm true. I think I did see that at the time. I'd probably still have gone Qxb7 if the trade was offered, which I guess is why I'm only a 1200
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Oct 20, 2021 08:03
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very pleased with myself this morning for finding a mate in 6 two moves after an 'oh no my rook' incident Solution 19. ..Qxe7 20. Qxa8 dxe3 21. fxe3? Nd3+ 22. Bxd3 Qxe3+ 23. Kf1 Qxd3+ 24. Kg1 Be3# The line if my opponent played perfectly after the first fxe3 blunder would have been 21... Nd3+ 22. Kd1 Qxe3 23. Kc2 Nb4+ 24. axb4 Bf5+ 25. Qe4 Bxe4+ 26. Kd1 Qd2# yes i am still only 700 why do you ask Doccykins fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 11:45
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Nowadays, I can see what I think the computer would like, but I don't have the skill or reading ability (or nerves) to follow up on it. Like this position:  I was just staring at it for a while, and then I was like, I bet the computer wants to sac the knight on B4 and then we check with the Bishop. I'm not sure what it wants after that, probably throw my rooks into the pawn to threaten the Queen, enemy Bishop taking back be damned. And all this was correct, except for the part where the enemy Bishop takes my Rook, computer was like "Too dangerous, let it live and bring the Queen to the King to protect instead." I didn't play that move, or any move, because of a work call so I resigned early there. But still! Computers are scary. Doccykins posted:very pleased with myself this morning for finding a mate in 6 two moves after an 'oh no my rook' incident Yo nice! I always have trouble with multiple move checkmate sequences, glad you found this
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Oct 22, 2021 12:40
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Are there any good free databases of chess games similar to what you'd get with an advanced chessbase subscription? This book I have references a game but has a notation error so I can't follow along and I'm looking for the actual game (Vukovic vs Urban 2000 apparently.) Doesn't show up in chessgames.com or lichess.
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Oct 24, 2021 21:55
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Booyah- posted:Are there any good free databases of chess games similar to what you'd get with an advanced chessbase subscription? This book I have references a game but has a notation error so I can't follow along and I'm looking for the actual game (Vukovic vs Urban 2000 apparently.) Doesn't show up in chessgames.com or lichess. Try http://caissabase.co.uk/?
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Oct 24, 2021 23:13
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Captain von Trapp posted:It's not exactly deep nuances of positional play or the latest grandmaster's deviation 12 moves deep in the Ruy Lopez. It's just whoever sticks their finger in the electric socket the fewest times. Grishuk's advice for new chess players: "Don't blunder" If you systemise the habit of always analysing every check and capture and don't blunder forks or hang your pieces, just that alone can probably get you to 2000 rating in blitz and rapid. No joke. Just staying solid as gently caress and pouncing on the inevitable mistake your opponent makes is maybe not the flashiest way to play, but it's certainly extremely effective. (I do not do this, I am only 1400, I blunder all the goddamn time) tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Oct 25, 2021 |
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Oct 25, 2021 02:51
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While that's true I feel like the really simple blunders fall off well before you reach 2000. So "don't blunder" really just ends up being "git gud at tactics".
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Thanks! I didn't find the particular game in there but was looking for exactly this type of thing.
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