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moonmazed posted:then why post in the first place people have been asking this question for 11 years
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Arthur MacArthur is a great name. This reminds me of the first ever Australian born Governor General of Australia. Sir Issac Issacs It's a petty and obscure historical fact that I like to pull out every so often because it has stuck in my brain
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May 11, 2022 08:24
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Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson won the 1903 nobel prize for literature
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After Japan outlawed the Bible in 1603, some communities kept practicing in secret and passing down Christianity orally. They venerated Jesus, John, Peter, and Paul, and believed that Christianity would let them break the cycle of rebirth. When Japan opened to foreigners in 1868, most of the 30,000 hidden Christians joined the Catholic Church. However, some followers believed that their faith was the true one and the Catholics had gone astray, so they kept practicing their own Christianity. There are still some practitioners now, but most are very old. Every religion is heavily influenced by retellings and artistic interpretations, but the Kakure Christians are a fascinating example because they diverged so much while isolated from the rest of Christianity.
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Carthag Tuek posted:Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson won the 1903 nobel prize for literature girl dick energy has a new favorite as of 11:40 on May 11, 2022 |
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girl dick energy posted:Because of how Icelandic names work, there are two strongmen (including a four-time World's Strongest Man), a 13th century Earl, a politician, and a British TV presenter all named some variation on Magnus Magnusson, and none of them are related. There are loads and loads of people with the same first and last name where the names do not abide by Icelandic naming conventions so... OK?
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Soul Dentist posted:
There's a lot about fairies though.
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. I was hoping specifically for more info about Thompson's repressed archetypes. Although I do love reading through the classifications
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3D Megadoodoo posted:There are loads and loads of people with the same first and last name where the names do not abide by Icelandic naming conventions so... OK? “Magnus” and “Magnusson” are in fact different names. 
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Platystemon posted:“Magnus” and “Magnusson” are in fact different names. Same first and last name with each other not with themself.
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Magnússon means Son of Magnús and means your dad was also called Magnús.
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Magnús Magnússon Magnúsmagnússonsson
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lol if you don’t use the superior, gender‐neutral postfix –bur They call me Aaron Aaronbur.
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girl dick energy posted:Because of how Icelandic names work, there are two strongmen (including a four-time World's Strongest Man), a 13th century Earl, a politician, and a British TV presenter all named some variation on Magnus Magnusson, and none of them are related.
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imagine being such a backwards culture that you haven't invented surnames yet
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Peanut President posted:imagine being such a backwards culture that you haven't invented surnames yet We didn't have surnames in Norway until 1923 when we got a law saying everyone has to have one.
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Peanut President posted:imagine being such a backwards culture that you haven't invented surnames yet surnames are only necessary for bureaucracy
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Before immigrants started to come to Iceland in the 20th century only rich people had surnames. Some of them because they were descendants of Danish colonials merchants or officials others because they wanted to imitate those Danish merchants and officials and gave themselves fancy last names usually ending in "dal" (valley) or "fjörð" (fjord). Norðfjörð, Reykdal, etc. etc. This practice was outlawed when the naming commission was introduced but people who already had surnames were exempt. FreudianSlippers has a new favorite as of 19:30 on May 11, 2022 |
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Carthag Tuek posted:surnames are only necessary for bureaucracy Which inevitably gets invented once you reach a certain level of complexity in running the civilization, yes.
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Iceland isn't shy about bureaucracy. We have a registry of almost every single Icelander back to 1703 (and some spottier records back to 874), their relations, and personal details. This database was developed into an genealogy app that allows you to connect to any other Icelander and see exactly how you're related tracing every individual ancestor back to your last common ancestor b(usually some random 18th century peasants neither person has heard off). This has been interpreted by the Southron media as "the incest app" though of course finding cousins to gently caress is only one minor function of the app
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Isn't Iceland the only country that still uses patronymic names? That's honestly kind of admirable.
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My cousin got pregnant via IVF and had to get bureaucratic approval to use her surname since there's no father in the picture and surnames generally aren't handed down on the female side. Also according to family lore my great grandfather didn't tell his kids their surname until he was on his deathbed.
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Björk Tilraunaglasdóttir
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girl dick energy posted:Isn't Iceland the only country that still uses patronymic names? That's honestly kind of admirable. Also 1st names must abide by THE RULES quote:A child must be given a name before the age of six months. The Personal Names Register includes all Icelandic names that have been approved. A special act of law applies to the giving of names.
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Because Iceland refuses to be sullied by Megatrons, Khaleesis, and Braydens.
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Gaius Marius posted:Why? Because Iceland. It is The Way It Is Done.
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Because Iceland refuses to be sullied by Megatrons, Khaleesis, and Braydens. I revoke my bewilderment, and encourage the US to adopt a similar system
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quote:No person can have more than three names this is anti-Catholic bigotry. Where's my John James Ignatius Marcus Nicholas Mastersons, or "Natty" for short
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Catholics were illegal until 1874
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Gaius Marius posted:I revoke my bewilderment, and encourage the US to adopt a similar system It's actually pretty racist! Because of how strict the rules are, there's a very small list of approved names and common names in many languages (including English) are banned. Unless both parents are foreigners, you're forced to assimilate from birth.
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Iceland used to be pretty rough:quote:The both of them were found guilty and were sentenced to death in 1596 at Laugarbrekka. Just as Axlar-Björn’s murders were horrible, so was his execution. One account says that the executioner used a sledgehammer to shatter his limbs while he was still alive. Following that, his limbs and head were cut off and strung to poles. His wife had a front row seat to his death. At one point, his privates were cut off and tossed into his wife’s lap. Ornamental Dingbat has a new favorite as of 02:33 on May 12, 2022 |
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chitoryu12 posted:Unless both parents are foreigners, you're forced to assimilate from birth. This is really interesting. How does this work for foreigners and their children? And considering the tone of the previous posts, is it difficult for foreign families to assimilate?
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Carthag Tuek posted:surnames are only necessary for bureaucracy History of surnames in Korea is fun too. For most of Korean history, surnames were granted by the king to royalty or the aristocracy, so most people in the rigid caste system just did not have one. Late 19th century Japanese occupation bureaucrats did not like this, so they forced everyone to choose a family name and stick with it. People often chose names that belonged to wealthy and prestigious families in the area. And that's why literally half of South Korea today has one of four surnames (Kim, Lee, Park, Jung). If the same thing had happened in the US, one out of every ~4 people would share the last name Rockefeller.
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girl dick energy posted:Isn't Iceland the only country that still uses patronymic names? That's honestly kind of admirable. Ethnic Malays in Malaysia still use them.
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girl dick energy posted:Isn't Iceland the only country that still uses patronymic names? That's honestly kind of admirable. We don't really use them much, but patronymics became legal again in Denmark in 2005* — you can even use matronymics now! Also you can use like Arabic bin or ibn, etc, as long as it is used traditionally in some culture (doesn't have to be your own, as far as I can see). https://danskelove.dk/navneloven/7 * they were outlawed in 1828; the original intent was to make tracking people easier (hence my comment about bureaucracy), but it actually just locked in boring patronymics instead of the much more colorful bynames people had. Almost 70% of people still had -sen patronymics in the 1960s. It's down to less than 50% now, because of the continued liberalization of naming.
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girl dick energy posted:Isn't Iceland the only country that still uses patronymic names? That's honestly kind of admirable. Patronymic names are still used in parts of Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Indonesia, and a few other countries. Although people with these names will often adopt a last name if they have to do a lot of paperwork with Westerners.
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The vast majority of russians still have their middle names as patronymics. It's legally required to have a tripartite name, waved for foreigners who get russian nationality. My wife is a Sofya Aleksandrovna X, her sister is Alyona Aleksandrovna X, her brother is Fyodor Aleksandrovich X. You also use it when being respectful (think t/v split) as an alternative to Mr/Ms Whoever. And then most every name has several diminutives if you're on "ty" terms. Sofyuka, Lenusha, Fedka. Mercifully everyone seems to mostly use normal names, so there's no poor bastards called Ivan Carldrogovich. The early soviet period is the exception. There's old folks named "Traktor" and "Staleng" and "Vladlen" and "Barrikad."
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Ibblebibble posted:Ethnic Malays in Malaysia still use them.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The vast majority of russians still have their middle names as patronymics. It's legally required to have a tripartite name, waved for foreigners who get russian nationality. My wife is a Sofya Aleksandrovna X, her sister is Alyona Aleksandrovna X, her brother is Fyodor Aleksandrovich X. And of course you get the excellent doubled names like Ivan Ivanovich, Vladimir Vladimirovich, Sergei Sergeievich, etc
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In 1782 jews in Austria were forced to get surnames in order to be tolerated (the law was literally called the Edict of Tolerance). Which is why many jews today have german names.Ornamental Dingbat posted:Also 1st names must abide by THE RULES
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