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Katana Gomai posted:$100 retail value worth of sealed product costs the store much more than $100 worth of singles. You (should?) know this. Limiting store credit use to singles and snacks is just good business because it means you end up paying less to cash in your players' winnings. You want to sell your high margin products as much as possible. Store credit is interest free loans to begin with, and the customer has already spent the equivalent on tournaments with prize support If a store can't afford to let you use credit on any product they offer, that store has far greater accounting problems
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A big flaming stink posted:Store credit is interest free loans to begin with, and the customer has already spent the equivalent on tournaments with prize support A store can afford to do lots of things. A store can afford to give me a McChicken sandwich when I show up for FNM. Doesn't mean it increases profits to do it, though. Some stores have decided it's in their interest to have more cash flow from draft fees
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It's understandable to not let you pay to enter events with credit. Not letting you buy boxes is very dumb.
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Devor posted:A store can afford to do lots of things. A store can afford to give me a McChicken sandwich when I show up for FNM. Doesn't mean it increases profits to do it, though. they should already have increased cash flow from the credit itself! store credit is insanely beneficial to a store
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Devor posted:A store can afford to do lots of things. A store can afford to give me a McChicken sandwich when I show up for FNM. Doesn't mean it increases profits to do it, though. It certainly is more cashflow if you don't actually let people use your store credit. Holy moly this post is silly.
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Devor posted:A store can afford to do lots of things. A store can afford to give me a McChicken sandwich when I show up for FNM. Doesn't mean it increases profits to do it, though. You know what's also good for cash flow? charging 50 bucks for drafts and giving out a pack per win in support.
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They're hoping that by restricting what you can spend store credit on, they make you buy something you otherwise wouldn't have in order to use it up. Does it work? idk
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I know that post didn't make any sense but it's been a long day so please just go with it, I really need a win here
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kalel posted:I know that post didn't make any sense but it's been a long day so please just go with it, I really need a win here Yeah gently caress it I want to go home. I'll concede, good luck in top 8
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The events at the LGS here paid out the same amount of store credit that they took in in entry fees, but you can't spend the credit on event entries. Or at least, that's how it was a couple of years ago (the last time I went). I'm sure there's some grinder who dreams of going infinite against the schoolkids who show up to the 4pm event who's upset about this, and would prefer lower event payouts that they can roll into the next event entry. Everybody else seems pretty happy with the structure though.
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When Pokémon was white hot in like 99, we'd have events every weekend where adults would utterly decimate little kids to fund their Warhammer armies. We moved to having 2 separate age bracket tournaments but the adults actually called WotC to tattle about it. Our ultimate solution was to give all prize support for Pokémon in Pokémon Boosters. This was what the rare kid winners wanted anyhow and it pissed the adult winners off because they didn't want them. They "protested" for a few weeks by winning the tournaments and burning the won Boosters in the parking lot but then they got bored and stopped ruining the children's card game
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Katana Gomai posted:$100 retail value worth of sealed product costs the store much more than $100 worth of singles. You (should?) know this. Limiting store credit use to singles and snacks is just good business because it means you end up paying less to cash in your players' winnings. You want to sell your high margin products as much as possible. This isn't as clear cut as all that, especially the bolded part. But in any case, if the argument for limiting store credit to the things of your choosing is "it's good for the store that way" then... like, yeah, I know that. The point is, if the customer comes in and hands me $10 to enter my tournament, wins two $5 packs and says "gimme credit," then at that point it's all the same to me behind the counter. They've paid me $10, and they're getting $10 in stuff. I either sold 2 packs at full retail or I sold a single $10 card at full retail. There's no losing proposition there for me. Not to mention the fact that every day the credit isn't redeemed is an interest-free loan In terms of how you treat your customers/player base, there's just no excuse for restricting credit on anything but tournament entry, and I don't even do that either, personally. I just get why you would.
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Ok I said I was going to do this so here we go: Hey folks, I'm Chris and I'm YOUR Commander Mechanic. I was invited as a creator to the first ever MTG Summit by Kingdoms in SLC this past weekend, and here's my experience. Disclaimer: thanks to the affiliate program my flight and stay were both comp'd by Kingdoms. So let that color this however it may. For a first time TO Kingdoms did a lot right and had a lot of issues as well. Funneling event registration through a hastily-built app was a mistake but the alternatives (manually or via Magic Companion) were, understandably, just as worse. But this app also tracked your prize tix as well so as to eliminate physical media so... meh. The issue was that hiccups would drop people from events seemingly randomly or by mistake, and if you had overlapping events - ones you signed up for that were approaching while you were still in an event - it was a crapshoot as to which one they'd drop you from. And when some events you paid in advance for, that was not cool in a lot of occasions. One fan told me a nightmare story of getting randomly drawn to be part of Sanderson's cube then was dropped from it by the app because he had signed up for a prerelease lol They also did this weird-but-cool thing where all VIPs and Creators were automatically enrolled in all events, so they could just show up and take part without having to worry about signing up. But it ended up being a nightmare when like 200 people dropped from events in round 1. idk how much of a logistical nightmare that ended up being but hey we got free prerelease kits for it. I spent most of my days in the Commander area, obviously. This event did this really cool thing called Creator Clash, where VIPs could sign up (or just show up lol) and jam games with creators. Everyone was given free precons so there was no issue with deck mismatches, which was a BIG big brain move. However Kingdoms was understaffed for this and asked the Degen Games crew (MTGNerdGirl's team) to run this for them. Poor Brittany worked like a maniac all weekend to make sure this was a good experience for fans. She deserves a medal! But this feature is something a LOT of TOs should do with invited creators; it's very cool and was a big draw for people to buy VIP passes to get face time with people like Prof, Kibler, the PWP guys, and some goon like me. The Commander area was packed all 3 days and, unlike Magic 30 in Vegas, there was no differentiation between the Commander freeplay area and the "Command Zone". Everyone could play with everyone, signing up for the Command Zone just got you on demand event tix. It meant the pool for players was MUCH larger and everyone just got to enjoy playing games. Very cool. I brought 5 decks with me of varying power scales and ACTUALLY played all of them. Plus the precons. Plus some other peoples' decks. There was a "green room" for creators and artists and judges that was fully stocked with snacks and food and drinks, which was a nice touch. It was a haul and a half across the con center and a little hard to find at first but I've never seen another event do this either and it was good for a break. A quiet space to make sure 'talent' wasn't overwhelmed or dehydrated. A+ Apart from that the highlight was hanging out with people. Seeing fans, meeting new friends, and seeing old friends again. In that, the event absolutely kicked rear end. https://twitter.com/CmdrMechanic/status/1592925540708933634?s=20&t=0pDC83d85HJ_5PBNaRnk4w
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I hate how wotc is shipping Ashnod/Mishra https://twitter.com/blakexkunkel/status/1591962745779650561?t=eAA6AYscapuRstzHVwV7Gw&s=19
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I'm not sure how card collation works, but I choose to believe that means they also shipped out decks that are nothing but 2 different basic lands.
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sit on my Facebook posted:This isn't as clear cut as all that, especially the bolded part. But in any case, if the argument for limiting store credit to the things of your choosing is "it's good for the store that way" then... like, yeah, I know that. The point is, if the customer comes in and hands me $10 to enter my tournament, wins two $5 packs and says "gimme credit," then at that point it's all the same to me behind the counter. They've paid me $10, and they're getting $10 in stuff. I either sold 2 packs at full retail or I sold a single $10 card at full retail. There's no losing proposition there for me. Not to mention the fact that every day the credit isn't redeemed is an interest-free loan Fair enough. As I said, that's exactly how my LGS handles it (bolded part) and I am completely fine with that as a player. I was just perplexed by you saying that you don't see the difference between selling singles and sealed. I know sealed margin goes up when you sell individual boosters compared to boxes, so I will take your word for it being equivalent to singles prices in your store. You certainly have a better insight into your books than I do. Also props for running what sounds like a nice store to play in. Katana Gomai fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Nov 18, 2022 |
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noteworthy news, especially on the heels of Wizard's move into "official proxies" https://twitter.com/ImKyle4815/status/1593658806201856001?s=20&t=LEJ3x2NN8-GvD6ku_pueyQ
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Balon posted:Ok I said I was going to do this so here we go: That's awesome it was a good time. Hopefully there are more events like that in the Midwest or Southwest in the future. The part I really enjoy most about cons is having time to explore the city they're held in, find good food etc. And that system to give people the chance to play with/against content creators sounds really really cool.
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I brought my Drake posted:My friends and I are making un-EDH decks. Mine is probably going to be a dice rolling durdler with gate lands. There's also a bug circus deck with Jermane and a goblin tribal deck with Space Family Goblinson in the group. This looks pretty fun, almost made a dice-roller over Dangerous Gamer. Hopefully get to play the Gamer this weekend. uggy posted:I heavily considered a bunch of the mystery convention cards for a vintage cube but the playgroup decided against it as it changes the basics of gameplay too much. This is totally a card I'd use. Random chance to change who goes first feels kinda like random chance to decide who goes first in the first place. I've been lucky though and don't know any players who get really worked up anything like that. sit on my Facebook posted:Even before I was an LGS owner, I've never understood restricting the use of store credit. I feel like I'm not missing any math on how it's worse for me if somebody wants to use their credit on any given product versus any other one, just seems stingy tbh I guess I get it, it just is obviously not good for my as a customer. The guy who told me the credit rule made it sound like it was something the owner decided at some point so that nobody could go "infinite." There are 2 people at my LGS who only draft sometimes and most others seem unhappy when they do, when they don't play they'll walk around and comment on your deck or draft or whatever so I think if nothing else, the rule keeps those two people from playing every week since I think they're the local draft experts who might just win consistently enough to not pay back the entry fee if it were allowed. Not allowing us to buy booster boxes I guess also stops someone from sitting down, opening packs until they get enough to trade-in for another, but I doubt that can ever really be a consistent problem given the trade-in rate for cards. Reckon sealed product is mostly worthless garbage with value hinging on the gambling aspect and they just don't wanna hold onto random singles to hand out gambling packs when gamblers will definitely pay cash to do it anyway. That said there are a couple other LGS in town, including one that I think might have a higher WOTC star rating or whatever, but it's too far across town, couldn't walk there in time, no sidewalk for a lot of it. LGD posted:noteworthy news, especially on the heels of Wizard's move into "official proxies" This really bums me out, I kept putting a bunch of custom magic card ideas on hold since I was working on other stuff and just assumed the mtg one would be around in a month or two when I get to them proper. Some quick exploration makes it seem like there's really nothing else remotely comparable. Trying to set these up myself in photoshop will be rough. Ugh, I even had the rules text mostly head-written couldve at least made protypes when i had the chance. I was also trying to make each card seem like it was from different sets over time and if setting up one modern card is a pain in photoshop/illo then all the others will be a nightmare to typeset too. Such a weird target considering counterfeits just need an image of the card, not a custom card maker. Picking up a set of basically the entire ideal manabase for a rainbow commander deck I'm putting together. My options were either have a bad/mediocre manabase with half my cards being focused around mana fetching and fixing, or have a good manabase I could never afford if printed by Wizards. There are countless other printers though and quite affordable. I wonder if card conjurer was just something the lawyers have been wanting to snipe off for a while or if this is the start of some heavier handed approach towards all the other places to get Real Magic Cards. I haven't been playing long enough to know but it kind of seems like it's fairly recent people are okay with proxies, like a spell was broken that kept people being very sanctimonious about only using cards printed by Wizards. AFAIK the only setting where wizards-only cards matter are official tournaments and things that they do online now anyway, and kinda seems like even in-person it's incredibly unlikely anyone will ever be really scrutinizing your cards. Surely even at its height, those kinds of tournaments were the absolute minority of players ever participating. Charity Porno posted:When Pokémon was white hot in like 99, we'd have events every weekend where adults would utterly decimate little kids to fund their Warhammer armies. We moved to having 2 separate age bracket tournaments but the adults actually called WotC to tattle about it. Our ultimate solution was to give all prize support for Pokémon in Pokémon Boosters. This was what the rare kid winners wanted anyhow and it pissed the adult winners off because they didn't want them. this is really sad, even before the burning part. pokemon products have been burnt for a lot of goofy reasons over the years.
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Yeah, Card Conjurer going down is a bummer. It doesn't make a lot of sense either, why does WotC care if I use an online tool to make a version of Pako with my dog on it!!?
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fadam posted:Yeah, Card Conjurer going down is a bummer. It doesn't make a lot of sense either, why does WotC care if I use an online tool to make a version of Pako with my dog on it!!? Because next year's big push will be bespoke, customized cards starting with Secret Lair "Your Dog on a Magic Card"
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fadam posted:Yeah, Card Conjurer going down is a bummer. It doesn't make a lot of sense either, why does WotC care if I use an online tool to make a version of Pako with my dog on it!!? a short google makes it appear that it's probably a combination of monetizing the service w/ priority rendering and it being what seems to be the main free tool people were using to supply proxy printer services with hi-res card images in bulk (including straight-up importing from scryfall and a hidden option to turn off the card conjurer copyright) flew too close to the sun, basically
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Katana Gomai posted:Fair enough. As I said, that's exactly how my LGS handles it (bolded part) and I am completely fine with that as a player. I was just perplexed by you saying that you don't see the difference between selling singles and sealed. I know sealed margin goes up when you sell individual boosters compared to boxes, so I will take your word for it being equivalent to singles prices in your store. You certainly have a better insight into your books than I do. Thanks! Basically the operative thing to know for this equation is that even as a bulk collection buyer, one has to pay a LOT for singles on the secondary market these days. I generally offer 65-70% in cash on singles, dependant on a few factors. Anything less and I wouldn't be competitive
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flatluigi posted:a short google makes it appear that it's probably a combination of monetizing the service w/ priority rendering and it being what seems to be the main free tool people were using to supply proxy printer services with hi-res card images in bulk (including straight-up importing from scryfall and a hidden option to turn off the card conjurer copyright) There's a service that takes a raw text list and spits out a [REDACTED] file for [REDACTED] that is decently popular, people here have used it to get like thousands of proxies at a time. I feel like using Card Conjurer for just straight 1-1 copies of existing Magic cards would be kind of a pain in the rear end tbh, it was annoying getting my Steven Segal and Dorothy Zbornak tokens. Oh well, I think there are other tools that make custom cards, I just like CC because I could access and use it on my work computer. Pour one out.
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Got my MPC order in. I bought the (S33) superior smooth. The cards themselves are a little smelly from the printing process, but that will go away over time. When sleeved, they don't seem to be any different from a regular magic card. A++ will come up with more overpriced commander cards to have printed again
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fadam posted:Yeah, Card Conjurer going down is a bummer. It doesn't make a lot of sense either, why does WotC care if I use an online tool to make a version of Pako with my dog on it!!? Someone in their in-house legal staff decided it was a threat to their trademark. Which is their job. Like, yeah, it's a bummer, but it was going to happen eventually. Don't base your business off of using someone else's IP.
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Khanstant posted:This really bums me out, I kept putting a bunch of custom magic card ideas on hold since I was working on other stuff and just assumed the mtg one would be around in a month or two when I get to them proper. Some quick exploration makes it seem like there's really nothing else remotely comparable. Trying to set these up myself in photoshop will be rough. Ugh, I even had the rules text mostly head-written couldve at least made protypes when i had the chance. I was also trying to make each card seem like it was from different sets over time and if setting up one modern card is a pain in photoshop/illo then all the others will be a nightmare to typeset too. Such a weird target considering counterfeits just need an image of the card, not a custom card maker. FYI while there's still plenty of online card makers available (mtgcardsmith is still kicking), Magic Set Editor (just google it) blows anything you can find online out of the water in terms of usability and options and is almost certainly what you want for those purposes. e: Toshimo posted:Someone in their in-house legal staff decided it was a threat to their trademark. Which is their job. Like, yeah, it's a bummer, but it was going to happen eventually. Don't base your business off of using someone else's IP. The general problem, which extends far beyond Wizards, is that many companies are perfectly happy to allow fan projects to flourish, indirectly or directly profiting off of that free work, but have no clear consistent enforcement policy on whatever they believe is unacceptable usage of their IP, resulting in fans putting years of work into something before a cease and desist seems to descend randomly from the heavens and kill it. Did cardconjurer get C&D'd because the owner got too close to the monetization sun? Because Wizards tries to track ordering of counterfeits and/or proxies and noticed a lot of people used it? Because the phases of the moon shifted and a bug jumped up the wrong lawyer's rear end? Who knows, companies rarely make any sort of public statement on these situations and all of the lawyers are going to say is "a) we don't have to tell you anything b) gently caress you", so unless the fan in question is a millionaire with a bunch of money to blow on a legal battle arguing fair use, we'll likely never know. Tulul fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Nov 19, 2022 |
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Tulul posted:Who knows, companies rarely make any sort of public statement on these situations and all of the lawyers are going to say is "a) we don't have to tell you anything b) gently caress you", so unless the fan in question is a millionaire with a bunch of money to blow on a legal battle arguing fair use, we'll likely never know. I imagine the reason they don't say any more than is to avoid ever risking a legal battle around the specific language and reasons given. "That's our ip, cut it out" is clear enough and I imagine exposes them to the least amount of risk
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odiv posted:What does Scryfall do? Do they have an agreement with wotc or are they just banking on being useful enough? Scryfall images have all the proper credits and copyrights untouched.
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LGD posted:noteworthy news, especially on the heels of Wizard's move into "official proxies"  This is all theorizing, idle thoughts and musings by a non-lawyer, not deeply researched factsI wonder what happens if/when Magic "forks" into multiple different games and abandons Hasbro? Like, the way games work, one can't really copyright mechanics. This is how, for example, the folks responsible for the Avatar RPG manage to kickstart and publish an entire game without giving any credit to the Bakers for Apocalypse World. Historically, we can see different regional variations of Chess, with things like the proto-Queen "Advisor" only being able to move a single space in any direction, then evolving into the modern rules set that most folks play when you say "Chess", but also with a host of "fairy" pieces and different board configurations that are played by enthusiasts. To an extent, this is even a already present in MTG itself, with the legal card pool and deck configuration being determined by the players/organizers, and formats like Commander, Dandân, and Heritage originating from the players themselves, rather than WotC, and attempts at official control like Brawl crashing and burning hard. Already many online cEDH tournaments are being run with no sanction from Wizards at all, so they can allow proxies, and there's an existant "no bans list" scene as well for many formats. Other examples that pop to mind are "Crabs Adjust Humidity", which I've seen in big box stores right next to the real game, and which literally bills itself as: quote:...a crappy little third-party, unofficial, unauthorized expansion card set that blends seamlessly with the original game and adds 112 morally-questionable new cards to play. Don't buy this if you don't have the original game: it's useless without it. Cards Against Humanity is a trademark of Cards Against Humanity LLC and is completely unaffiliated with this game or its publisher. or the entire OSRIC RPG line, which initially existed so people could keep producing adventures for AD&D without having to bother with 3rd edition, and being "OSRIC Compatable" was essentially a legal fiction maintained to keep lawyers away. With official tournament support for paper presently in the decline, Standard going downhill fast, Hasbro profits falling, and angry fans galore, what happens when someone publishes their own legally distinct expansion, using none of the trademarked imagry or characters, but which just happens to be completely compatable gamewise with MTG? And, barring any legal challenges, how long does the authority and influence of Hasbro extend to what is played if stores don't bother with officially sanctioned tournaments? They might not be any good, and might not recieve the playtesting the official cards are supposed to, but what happens when a Paizo type company tries to snipe the market back by making a Pathfinder-esque "Sorcerer's Conclave" or "Witches' Sabbath" type expansion, which is compatable and fun for a certain era or format of the game, but also just different enough to need to be fought in court? Would it see any adoption if it played well? Not quite the exact situation, but right now, I can buy on Etsy extremely unofficial and unsanctioned crossovers that brutalize fan IP allowances and are almost certainly in the crosshairs as soon as someone from WotC notices, but which also don't contain any official Magic IP on their cards (aside from noting which card is being reskinned), and which bill themselves as "Magic" rather than "Magic: the Gathering" to further tread that line:    Remove the IP crossover aspects, and you'd have a compatable yet legally distinct game, like OSRIC or Crabs. Redraw the mana symbols, put on a different back (which wouldn't much matter as most folks use opaque sleeves), and you could print an entire unproduced set like Spectral Chaos, or one of your own devising. Many "dead" CCGs have had long afterlives with fan expansions. What happens when the fan expansion comes before the game is dead? (I mean, you get Legends, but that was back at the start, not now...)
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TacoNight posted:Because next year's big push will be bespoke, customized cards starting with Secret Lair "Your Dog on a Magic Card" This is probably what is going to happen
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This is the second time this week I've been teased on there actually being a Sailor Moon Universes Beyond, which I would windmill slam my hand and money down so hard for that I would break the table. (also I love how, of the 4 Doctors shown in that Doctor Who mockup, 10 is the only one who is called "The Doctor" and not specified by a number lol) Framboise fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Nov 19, 2022 |
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mandatory lesbian posted:Okay i didnt read the words but id be all for a sailor moon x mtg thing I hope Jadeite opens attractions to represent his goofy energy stealing plan this week.
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