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Tre Jones as a backup PG is a great asset and a luxury. Tre Jones as a full-time starting PG? I totally understand why the Spurs are looking to address a PG issue.
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May 25, 2023 04:13
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Is Lowry the only passed his prime point guard in league with a ring at this point? Holiday and Steph aren’t passed their primes yet and aren’t going anywhere. Rondo’s out of League. Lol you have go back to Kyrie in 2016 to find another one.
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May 25, 2023 15:54
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Atlanta has a logjam at point guard, maybe them and the spurs can strike a deal
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May 25, 2023 18:02
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Listening to the Woj pod today and it's very funny to hear him and Givony talking about Brandon Miller as the clear No. 2 prospect (based on talent and NBA projection) who might only be derailed by Mononucleosis / crime stuff / Charlotte liking in-person workouts. Meanwhile draft heads / the Hornets fan base are melting down
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May 26, 2023 16:50
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morestuff posted:Listening to the Woj pod today and it's very funny to hear him and Givony talking about Brandon Miller as the clear No. 2 prospect (based on talent and NBA projection) who might only be derailed by Mononucleosis / crime stuff / Charlotte liking in-person workouts. Meanwhile draft heads / the Hornets fan base are melting down I also enjoy the smokescreen that the Blazers are likely going to keep the pick. There needs to be some sort of succession show but for NBA Assistant GMs
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May 26, 2023 17:48
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Blazers might keep the pick. If everyone is low balling their offers, take the young player, especially if it's Scoot, then auction him off after the draft. Blazers are looking for a win now player anyway so it's not essential a trade happens on draft day.
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May 26, 2023 18:50
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The Golden State Warriors did that with James Wiseman. But it didn't work very well
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May 26, 2023 19:58
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Draft day trades are so much easier due to protections.
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May 26, 2023 20:22
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Fast Luck posted:The Golden State Warriors did that with James Wiseman. But it didn't work very well You have a point. Draft --> stash --> trade never actually seems to work. Probably because you have to play a guy for him to have any value on rookie contracts, and also from a salary standpoint don't generally slot well with anything but other people drafted the same year.
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May 26, 2023 20:31
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When can teams officially start trading draft picks? The day of the draft? After the finals end? Now? I couldn't find out from a quick google. e: VVVV thanks Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 22:29 on May 26, 2023 |
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May 26, 2023 20:43
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Whenever they want, minus the teams still playing. Most wait until after the finals though
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May 26, 2023 20:46
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Scoot doesn't mesh with Dame, but I don't think trading for Siakam or whoever actually moves the needle that much
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May 26, 2023 21:48
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Having to draft Scoot would really suck for Portland. He won't (or at least shouldn't) get any touches as long as Dame, Simons and Sharpe are there. If Portland can't make a trade work for the #3 they have to hope that Miller is available, or that they can move Simons for a starting wing. Neither seem very likely. I want Siakam or OG and I think either should guarantee a top 4 seed in the West. Then again I really thought Dame/Simons/Hart/Grant/Nurk was gonna work, so maybe I'm just a dumb homer
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May 26, 2023 22:13
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Scoot doesn't mesh with Dame, but I don't think trading for Siakam or whoever actually moves the needle that much Portland has the number 3 pick in the draft they had the 7th last year don't worry how someone with 2 years left with the team will mesh with your future
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May 26, 2023 22:29
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I think trading Dame would be the best move forward for both Dame and the Blazers, but that's probably not happening and they'll be stuck at like 6th-seed ceiling for another few years
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May 26, 2023 22:35
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Would love to know what his answers werequote:Jonathan Givony: "Based on talent, [Brandon Miller] should be the #2 pick in the draft, and I believe if the draft was held tonight, he would be the #2 pick". Also mentions that teams did not like Miller's answers during interviews in regards to the gun incident
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May 26, 2023 22:43
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When was the last time a team traded a superstar and did not suck for many years?
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May 26, 2023 22:45
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Oh poo poo read a post saying the Hornets going to draft Scoot to entice Curry to retire with them
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May 26, 2023 22:45
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WhyteRyce posted:Would love to know what his answers were He basically plead the fifth and handed teams a note from his lawyer saying he couldn’t talk about it
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May 26, 2023 22:46
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Mean Baby posted:When was the last time a team traded a superstar and did not suck for many years? the spurs managed to tread water for three years post kawhi
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Declan MacManus posted:the spurs managed to tread water for three years post kawhi Yeah I’d define not suck as reach the conference semis. They also got back an all nba player in that deal lol.
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May 26, 2023 22:56
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Mean Baby posted:When was the last time a team traded a superstar and did not suck for many years? Okc had 2 seasons without post season play
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Mean Baby posted:Yeah I’d define not suck as reach the conference semis. They also got back an all nba player in that deal lol. well then you should have said that instead of moving the goalposts jeez so a team where they sent their best player out, did not get anything immediately worthwhile back, and made the conference semis (which many teams with a superstar would not have been doing anyways) small list but the 2012 nuggets took the lakers to 7 games in the first so that’s as close as you’re getting
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Having to draft Scoot would really suck for Portland. He won't (or at least shouldn't) get any touches as long as Dame, Simons and Sharpe are there. the dame window has closed. you’re not making the playoffs with him as a #1 option, much less winning a title.
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May 26, 2023 23:06
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Mean Baby posted:Yeah I’d define not suck as reach the conference semis. They also got back an all nba player in that deal lol. 22 teams suck every year?
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Declan MacManus posted:the dame window has closed. you’re not making the playoffs with him as a #1 option, much less winning a title. One of these players led their team to 53 wins, another one won 49 games, and another 33 code:
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May 26, 2023 23:26
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Lockback posted:22 teams suck every year? I think in this context, yes. If you have a star, people act like if you aren’t in at least the top 8 you should blow it up to maybe be competitive to win a championship sometime in the future. Potential is overrated by very online fans. I think realistically 8-10 teams have a legitimate shot at a championship each year. You are waaaayy more likely to win a championship with a veteran star then without one any given year.
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May 27, 2023 00:08
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Pelicans mostly pivoted well.
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Rick posted:Pelicans mostly pivoted well. Injuries and fake-muscles Bledsoe, though. 
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The T-Wolves are perhaps an extreme example, but everyone compares Dame's situation to KG's. Both markets are not attracting marquee free agents. 8 of the 10 seasons with KG, Minnesota had a positive win percentage, won over 50 games 4 times, and had a WCF appearance. 7 of the 11 seasons with Dame, Portland has a positive win percentage (and made the playoffs during the bubble with a negative win percentage), won over 50 games 3 times, and has a WCF appearance. In the 16 years since trading KG, it took them 10 years to make the playoffs, they've only made the playoffs three times in that window (year 15 and 16), haven't won a series, and haven't finished higher than 7th. They've had very high and very hyped picks a lot in that window. I don't want to be 50 when the Blazers make the playoffs.
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Mean Baby posted:I think in this context, yes. If you have a star, people act like if you aren’t in at least the top 8 you should blow it up to maybe be competitive to win a championship sometime in the future. Potential is overrated by very online fans. Less than that are actual contenders, but I also think the measurement for success needs to be a lot different than "made the finals". Some collorerary with real life, maybe.
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Having a job for life and getting a gold watch on retirement :: Washington Wizards???
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WhyteRyce posted:Having a job for life and getting a gold watch on retirement :: Washington Wizards??? Atlanta Hawks. Find joy in the second round seasons of life.
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Mean Baby posted:The T-Wolves are perhaps an extreme example, but everyone compares Dame's situation to KG's. Both markets are not attracting marquee free agents. Buddy the trailblazers will make the playoffs again when they start being ran like a good franchise again old man dame isn't changing that
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May 27, 2023 02:08
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The Twolves also didn’t get the modern trade package for a All NBA player.
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Calidus posted:The Twolves also didn’t get the modern trade package for a All NBA player. Love? Keep in mind contract length is a real important factor.
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Lockback posted:Less than that are actual contenders, but I also think the measurement for success needs to be a lot different than "made the finals". Maybe a better measurement would be going as far in the playoffs as they had with the star. It looks like there are a couple of examples of it leading to success in the short term, but that team had another superstar. Orlando went to the finals a couple years after trading T-Mac, but they had Dwight Howard. Shaq was traded to Miami but the Lakers were able to build another Dynasty. Of course they had Kobe. The KG / Pierce to NJ trade. These are a few of the nightmare trades: Iverson to Denver KG to Minnesota Jimmy Butler (both Chicago and Minnesota). Chris Paul (the NOP and HOU trades) There are also a lot of TBD, lose-lose, and “depends on your definition of a superstar”. I’m not sure if someone like Kevin Love is truly a star. Butler might not have been at that level when traded, etc. OKC has been able to ship out stars and get a lot of assets back. With SGA, it looks like that has paid off. Although, I think they realistically should be finishing higher given how good SGA is and the assets they have to build a team around him.
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May 27, 2023 02:30
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omax prosper from marquette is a crazy good defender
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The huge difference between what prospect scouts I respect say about scoot, versus what Adrian Wojnarowski and Jonathan Giviny said on wojs podcast has me very suspicious. woj was manufacturing opinion
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