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tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Chas McGill posted:

I'm feeling down about the state of the world due to the news and books like those mentioned above (especially the Jakarta Method, jfc). Does anyone have recommendations for books that describe a better path forward or document occasions where the capitalist/colonialist machine has been stymied?

I recently read A History of the World in 7 Cheap Things and that was depressing af. I'd recommend it as a snapshot of the development of unsustainable frontier exploitation. The final chapters about some sort of reparation ecology were frustratingly vague on the implementation though.

I’d also recommend KSR but The Years of Rice and Salt. An alternate history where the bubonic plague killed 99% of Europe instead of 30%.

As a teacher, I also really really liked Anathem by Neal Stephenson. Can’t talk too much about it without spoilers but it traces an alternate history of science evolving in a very different social context.

For nonfiction when I feel like that, which is every couple of weeks as I read more awful poo poo, I listen to the Seriously Wrong podcast. Their series on Bookchin/Social Ecology is great and I’ve read a couple of essays by the folks they interview and discuss. Ecology of Freedom is on my list for this year.

Minotaurus Rex posted:

I’m in the UK so it’s not really necessarily a US-based history I was imagining.. I was under the impression the left/right concept had its start in the French Revolution so before communism and Marx etc. Wasn’t so much looking for histories of specific American anticommunist activities per se tho I can how they’d be relevant to the subject. Not entirely sure what I’m looking for myself here so can only offer these vague intimations :shrug: . Any recommendations appreciated

Ah sorry, I was worried I misunderstood the question.

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Minotaurus Rex
Feb 25, 2007

if this accounts a rockin'
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That’s okay I still appreciate the effort put into your post there! And it could well be relevant as I’m kinda grasping in the dark as to what I’m even asking or looking for answers to!

But anyway on another topic I was also looking for criticisms of Buddhism, Buddhist philosophy, Buddhist exceptionalism etc in the way the Abrahamic religions have been criticised and deconstructed in recent years. I’ve been in the process of leaving Buddhism for kinda a while now and am looking for useful resources to help me along with that.

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



It's not that exactly, but you might appreciate This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom by Martin Hägglund. He deals with the philosophical underpinnings of what he calls "religious faith" (in contrast to his idea of "secular faith") in a broad sense, and deals with Buddhism as well as the Abrahamic traditions. It's a powerful philosophical argument against the pursuit of a sort of final result (salvation, nirvana, "heaven") as being strictly undesirable and meaningless in terms of our understanding of what human existence is. It's a moving and thought-provoking philosophical text, and he manages to hold the through line in a pretty clear way while developing a fairly sophisticated argument. I've reread it several times.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
My wife recently finished the Green Bone Saga (which was recommended here - thanks for that) and absolutely loving loved it. When I say she "finished" I mean she's gone through each book multiple times already.

Are there any similar series y'all would recommend? I saw someone on Reddit mention the War for the Rose Throne series, but I have never heard of that.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
I am half way through kings of paradise and I can say that this book is dark and entertaining. All that it requires you to do is skip over the sex scenes while shaking your head at the fact they didn't even need to exist on any level. Its bleak and gritty otherwise. Good grimdark.

Minotaurus Rex
Feb 25, 2007

if this accounts a rockin'
don't come a knockin'

Kenning posted:

It's not that exactly, but you might appreciate This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom by Martin Hägglund. He deals with the philosophical underpinnings of what he calls "religious faith" (in contrast to his idea of "secular faith") in a broad sense, and deals with Buddhism as well as the Abrahamic traditions. It's a powerful philosophical argument against the pursuit of a sort of final result (salvation, nirvana, "heaven") as being strictly undesirable and meaningless in terms of our understanding of what human existence is. It's a moving and thought-provoking philosophical text, and he manages to hold the through line in a pretty clear way while developing a fairly sophisticated argument. I've reread it several times.

Looks interesting, thanks!

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe

Gripweed posted:

The Rick Perlstein books in the post directly above yours. They are all about how the post-war consensus in American politics broke down and the modern right formed. They go super in depth but are also very fun and engaging reads. If you want to understand how modern American politics got to the state it’s currently in, you cannot do better than reading those books.

You should try Kim Stanley Robinson’s stuff. His Science in the Capital trilogy is a kind of fantasy about how the government could confront and work to ameliorate climate change

tuyop posted:

I’d also recommend KSR but The Years of Rice and Salt. An alternate history where the bubonic plague killed 99% of Europe instead of 30%.

As a teacher, I also really really liked Anathem by Neal Stephenson. Can’t talk too much about it without spoilers but it traces an alternate history of science evolving in a very different social context.

For nonfiction when I feel like that, which is every couple of weeks as I read more awful poo poo, I listen to the Seriously Wrong podcast. Their series on Bookchin/Social Ecology is great and I’ve read a couple of essays by the folks they interview and discuss. Ecology of Freedom is on my list for this year.
Thanks. KSR has been on my radar but never read them.

I also liked Anathem, partly for the positive depiction of learning.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe
Looking for a short piece of fiction, like 200-300 pages.

I haven’t really read anything written in the past couple of years that isn’t genre fiction so anything new and shortish would be great.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

tuyop posted:

Looking for a short piece of fiction, like 200-300 pages.

wtf?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

tuyop posted:

Looking for a short piece of fiction, like 200-300 pages.

I haven’t really read anything written in the past couple of years that isn’t genre fiction so anything new and shortish would be great.

The room

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

I just finished Lilith’s Brood so

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010


I was reading a Cool & Lamb novel on a train and the guy next to me asked me "is that, like, a novella?" and I didn't know what to say for a while.

It may not have been this exact one but something of similar size:

SgtScruffy
Dec 27, 2003

Babies.


Any recommendations for someone who really liked the game Life is Strange? YA-ish lesbian drama with really likable characters a dash of sci fi and time travel.

I also recently read Under the Whispering Door and really liked it - not exactly the same stuff but cozy and gay with some fantasy elements, if that helps.

(I’ve read Gideon the Ninth, and at some point I’ll get to the rest of the Locked Tomb if that’s gonna be number one there)

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regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
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WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Have you played Gone Home? I'm not sure it's actually a game but I feel like the Venn diagram for people who like one will strongly overlap with people who like the other.

Another possibility is Oxenfree. Good writing that for me was a bit undercut by one of the vocal performances but still worthwhile.

E: oh this is TBB. Sorry!

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

SgtScruffy posted:

Any recommendations for someone who really liked the game Life is Strange? YA-ish lesbian drama with really likable characters a dash of sci fi and time travel.

I also recently read Under the Whispering Door and really liked it - not exactly the same stuff but cozy and gay with some fantasy elements, if that helps.

(I’ve read Gideon the Ninth, and at some point I’ll get to the rest of the Locked Tomb if that’s gonna be number one there)

You might enjoy Light from Uncommon Stars, though it's pretty far into magical realism for some.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


SgtScruffy posted:

Any recommendations for someone who really liked the game Life is Strange? YA-ish lesbian drama with really likable characters a dash of sci fi and time travel.

I also recently read Under the Whispering Door and really liked it - not exactly the same stuff but cozy and gay with some fantasy elements, if that helps.

(I’ve read Gideon the Ninth, and at some point I’ll get to the rest of the Locked Tomb if that’s gonna be number one there)

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

tuyop posted:

Looking for a short piece of fiction, like 200-300 pages.

I haven’t really read anything written in the past couple of years that isn’t genre fiction so anything new and shortish would be great.

If you want stuff that’s even shorter Cesar Aira has a bunch of stuff sub-100 pages, also New Directions published a collection of super short fiction by various authors last year

My slightly longer than 300 page rec is You Too Can Have a Body Like Mine by Alexandra Kleeman (304 pages to be exact)

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Nov 8, 2018

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SgtScruffy posted:

Any recommendations for someone who really liked the game Life is Strange? YA-ish lesbian drama with really likable characters a dash of sci fi and time travel.

I also recently read Under the Whispering Door and really liked it - not exactly the same stuff but cozy and gay with some fantasy elements, if that helps.

(I’ve read Gideon the Ninth, and at some point I’ll get to the rest of the Locked Tomb if that’s gonna be number one there)

it's a TV show but you gotta check out Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch From Mercury. It's got everything you want in spades except time travel. It's a sci-fi YA lesbian drama full of fun and well fleshed out characters. And I had to stop and think for a moment to be sure it didn't have time travel.

Gripweed fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jan 21, 2024

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

More than a dash of sci-fi and time travel, but that makes me think of This is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone. An epistolary novel written between two agents of different timelines each fighting to make sure her future is the one that comes to pass, taunting and flirting and getting more and more emotionally intimate through their communications despite how they've never met.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

tuyop posted:

Looking for a short piece of fiction, like 200-300 pages.

I haven’t really read anything written in the past couple of years that isn’t genre fiction so anything new and shortish would be great.

what do you like, as in themes or settings, etc? how open are you to experimental or non-traditional prose/writing?

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

ulvir posted:

what do you like, as in themes or settings, etc? how open are you to experimental or non-traditional prose/writing?

Oh good question. I’m definitely open minded so I think I’m not quite sure. In the last year I read a bunch of “classics” from the 19th century and especially enjoyed the Jules Verne adventure novels and basically all the stuff I read written by women. Though later, The Master and Margarita was a real standout there, loved that book.

In the past I’ve liked some magical realism, particularly Ben Okri, who does sometimes push the boundaries, but usually that’s a miss for me.

Other (non-genre?) authors I’ve really enjoyed: Thomas King, Toni Morrison, Junot Diaz, Ling Ma.

Edit: for themes: i have been having trouble with violence and military stuff. I put down Ceremony by Leslie Marmot Silko a couple weeks ago because it was brutal that way. And Space Carrier Avalon, same reason, different treatment of course.

I like anticolonialism, socialist commie pinko weirdo stuff, stories about teaching or weird pedagogy, and “weird” fiction that otherwise defies genre like some Murakami stuff.

tuyop fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 22, 2024

SgtScruffy
Dec 27, 2003

Babies.


disposablewords posted:

More than a dash of sci-fi and time travel, but that makes me think of This is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone. An epistolary novel written between two agents of different timelines each fighting to make sure her future is the one that comes to pass, taunting and flirting and getting more and more emotionally intimate through their communications despite how they've never met.

That was one of the first recommendations I saw other than The Locked Tomb. Unfortunately it just didn’t click for me. It was a real quick read but just felt like it went from “we are mortal enemies!!!” To “wait I am in love with you!!!” in a very inorganic way.

It will have a soft spot in my heart because the buzz solely exists because of someone named Biggus Dickus Nicolas or whatever so that is always part of the conversation as a result.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

tuyop posted:

I like anticolonialism, socialist commie pinko weirdo stuff, stories about teaching or weird pedagogy, and “weird” fiction that otherwise defies genre like some Murakami stuff.

for kind of weird teaching/pedagogy, three recs are Stefan Zweig: Confusion, Hermann Ungar: The Class, and Dag Solstad: Shyness and dignity

somewhat/indirectly anticolonial could be Mathias Enard: Compass, you might also enjoy Ignazio Silone: Bread and Wine

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

ulvir posted:

for kind of weird teaching/pedagogy, three recs are Stefan Zweig: Confusion, Hermann Ungar: The Class, and Dag Solstad: Shyness and dignity

somewhat/indirectly anticolonial could be Mathias Enard: Compass, you might also enjoy Ignazio Silone: Bread and Wine

Thank you, these all sound awesome.

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran
Anyone have recommendations for absolute-basic beginner's-level intro to the Arthurian legends? The sort of thing you'd give to literal children. One of the young folks I volunteer with is on a huge knights-in-shining-armor kick and wants to know more, but my in-progress reread of The Once and Future King has made me realize how many assumptions White makes about his reader's knowledge of the Arthur stories. I came to TOAFK having marinated in Arthur stuff from an early age, but I hesitate to recommend it to a teenager with no grounding in this stuff whatsoever.

If it has a version on Audible, extra points!

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Kestral posted:

Anyone have recommendations for absolute-basic beginner's-level intro to the Arthurian legends? The sort of thing you'd give to literal children. One of the young folks I volunteer with is on a huge knights-in-shining-armor kick and wants to know more, but my in-progress reread of The Once and Future King has made me realize how many assumptions White makes about his reader's knowledge of the Arthur stories. I came to TOAFK having marinated in Arthur stuff from an early age, but I hesitate to recommend it to a teenager with no grounding in this stuff whatsoever.

If it has a version on Audible, extra points!

My introduction was The Once And Future King by White, but apparently I've forgotten how dark it can get in later chapters over the years, and you point out a knowledge gap I see. Lots of folks online recommend Rosemary Sutcliffe's books. I also liked the Twain story but it probably would not suit your student's likes

(I also read Mallory in elementary school because it was in the school library so take my recommendation for what its worth. I likely didn't follow everything, and got confused by how some of the stories were stand alone and didn't fit into a larger narrative, but I got over it. I should reread it and the Eddas now that I am a grown assed adult)

Bilirubin fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Jan 24, 2024

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Maybe the Warlord Chronicles? It's a bit more grounded and realistic while still hitting the beats. Also it wouldn't hurt to suggest or offer one of the better Arthurian movies. Obviously opinions do differ here.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Do not give the Warlord Chronicles books to literal children, they are far and away darker and more adult than The Once and Future King

edit: oh I just noticed that the OP said it's a teenager. Even so, the Warlord Chronicles aren't a great recommendation given the level of violence and sex and general cynicism, especially if the appeal of Arthurian legend is the whole shining armor and Knights of the Round Table aspect, given that Cornwell goes out of his way to tell the story in a way that actively undercuts the classic representation of the legends

MockingQuantum fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jan 24, 2024

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Kestral posted:

Anyone have recommendations for absolute-basic beginner's-level intro to the Arthurian legends? The sort of thing you'd give to literal children. One of the young folks I volunteer with is on a huge knights-in-shining-armor kick and wants to know more, but my in-progress reread of The Once and Future King has made me realize how many assumptions White makes about his reader's knowledge of the Arthur stories. I came to TOAFK having marinated in Arthur stuff from an early age, but I hesitate to recommend it to a teenager with no grounding in this stuff whatsoever.

If it has a version on Audible, extra points!

Maybe the Usborne Illustrated Tales Of King Arthur

or if that's too young, King Arthur and His Knights of the Round Table by Roger Lancelyn Green or Howard Pyle's The Story of King Arthur and His Knights

fez_machine fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Jan 24, 2024

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

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Rosemary Sutcliff wrote a well regarded YA/teen retelling of the Arthurian legends, maybe see if that's available?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Kestral posted:

Anyone have recommendations for absolute-basic beginner's-level intro to the Arthurian legends? The sort of thing you'd give to literal children. One of the young folks I volunteer with is on a huge knights-in-shining-armor kick and wants to know more, but my in-progress reread of The Once and Future King has made me realize how many assumptions White makes about his reader's knowledge of the Arthur stories. I came to TOAFK having marinated in Arthur stuff from an early age, but I hesitate to recommend it to a teenager with no grounding in this stuff whatsoever.

If it has a version on Audible, extra points!

Howard pyles King arthur books. *with illustrations *, maybe Mary Stewart's crystal cave books depending on age.

Past that https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3617881&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jan 24, 2024

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

MockingQuantum posted:

Do not give the Warlord Chronicles books to literal children, they are far and away darker and more adult than The Once and Future King

edit: oh I just noticed that the OP said it's a teenager. Even so, the Warlord Chronicles aren't a great recommendation given the level of violence and sex and general cynicism, especially if the appeal of Arthurian legend is the whole shining armor and Knights of the Round Table aspect, given that Cornwell goes out of his way to tell the story in a way that actively undercuts the classic representation of the legends

I guess that's fair, I read them around 17 and wasn't too put off but it's been over twenty years since then so there are likely better reccs.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Yngwie Mangosteen posted:

I guess that's fair, I read them around 17 and wasn't too put off but it's been over twenty years since then so there are likely better reccs.

I think I would have been fine reading them in high school too from a pure content perspective, though there's a couple of pretty rough moments regardless of what age you are, but it probably falls into a pretty grey area in this situation, ie. an adult recommending a book to a young person they're working with in a volunteer context.

Smithwick
Jun 20, 2003

tuyop posted:

Looking for a short piece of fiction, like 200-300 pages.

I haven’t really read anything written in the past couple of years that isn’t genre fiction so anything new and shortish would be great.

One of my recommendations when people ask for a short-ish, entertaining read is The Spy Who Came in From the Cold. It’s about 250 pages and John le Carre does not waste a single word. It is a great example of really tight, engaging writing. Even people that generally aren’t into spy novels seem to enjoy it.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Smithwick posted:

One of my recommendations when people ask for a short-ish, entertaining read is The Spy Who Came in From the Cold. It’s about 250 pages and John le Carre does not waste a single word. It is a great example of really tight, engaging writing. Even people that generally aren’t into spy novels seem to enjoy it.
This is a fantastic book. I tried to read some of his other stuff and it didn't stick.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

MockingQuantum posted:

I think I would have been fine reading them in high school too from a pure content perspective, though there's a couple of pretty rough moments regardless of what age you are, but it probably falls into a pretty grey area in this situation, ie. an adult recommending a book to a young person they're working with in a volunteer context.

Entirely valid, I just didn't think about it.

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran
Thanks for the Arthur recommendations, everyone! I might end up reading some of these myself, if I don't go straight to Mallory after this Once and Future King re-read.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Howard pyles King arthur books. *with illustrations *, maybe Mary Stewart's crystal cave books depending on age.

Past that https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3617881&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

My god, you've just solved an old mystery: this is one of the Arthur books I read as a kid, I remember these illustrations! I've been trying to figure out the name of this thing for ages. I read and loved Pyle's Robin Hood in 2023, and now I must at very least grab his Arthur books for my own enjoyment.

Reading your description of Pyle's and Green's versions in that goldmined thread, I suspect Pyle is what the kid in question actually wants, and Green is what he'll think he wants because it's shorter. I shall start working on my pitch now.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Kestral posted:

Anyone have recommendations for absolute-basic beginner's-level intro to the Arthurian legends? The sort of thing you'd give to literal children. One of the young folks I volunteer with is on a huge knights-in-shining-armor kick and wants to know more, but my in-progress reread of The Once and Future King has made me realize how many assumptions White makes about his reader's knowledge of the Arthur stories. I came to TOAFK having marinated in Arthur stuff from an early age, but I hesitate to recommend it to a teenager with no grounding in this stuff whatsoever.

If it has a version on Audible, extra points!



e: I have no idea why one of the cat knights is Keith Richards.

Good-Natured Filth
Jun 8, 2008

Do you think I've got the goods Bubblegum? Cuz I am INTO this stuff!

I am looking for a recommendation for a fiction set in an amusement park. I don't care so much about the genre - it could be coming of age, horror, thriller, sci-fi, etc. - so long as the majority of the book is set in an amusement park.

I'm not too keen on non-fiction at the moment. I don't need a history of Disney World or anything like that. I'm just itching for a good story with amusement park vibes.

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Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Jurassic Park sort of
Something Wicked This Way Comes

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