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Have you considered Cain, hero of the imperium?
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did you read the new orkboss novel Da Big Dakka? it's from the perspective of the orks and the dark eldar, pretty good. especially loved the characterisation between the two dark eldar archons who fall in love and are basically confused the whole time cause whoever heard of a dark eldar caring about another dark eldar?
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May 12, 2024 16:59
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Ardent Communist posted:did you read the new orkboss novel Da Big Dakka? I have, I'm a big fan of Brooks work. Him doing a new dark eldar book later this year got me interested in looking at more from the faction and I heard some positive words about this one compared to gav thorpes craftworld trilogy.
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May 12, 2024 17:34
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I should read an ork book, I don't think I've ever read one from their perspective.
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May 12, 2024 20:45
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A rare weekend without a BL book announcement. Dear God, what if this is the start of some terrible new trend. I'll have to start reading classics of literature and fascinating history. 
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May 12, 2024 21:49
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nah just start reading reacher, it slaps
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May 12, 2024 22:03
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Deptfordx posted:
Read Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey-Maturin series, it's basically both of those 
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May 12, 2024 22:32
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sharknado slashfic posted:I should read an ork book, I don't think I've ever read one from their perspective. Yes, yes you should. Mike Brook's books are amazing and Prophet of the wahhhh is good too. On a side note, he did the book about The Lion's return which the thread thinks is meh, why is that without spoilers?
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May 12, 2024 22:41
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notaspy posted:On a side note, he did the book about The Lion's return which the thread thinks is meh, why is that without spoilers? There isn't much to the book beyond what a plot summary would give you. Brooks didn't have any scope or the kind of insights that make his Orks and Dark Eldar so interesting, it's just "the Lion did these things, fin."
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May 12, 2024 22:48
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Kylaer posted:Read Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey-Maturin series, it's basically both of those Well, yes. I suppose I could have read them, like some sort of savage. Instead I've listened to the whole series as read by Patrick Tull, like a gentleman. 
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May 12, 2024 23:05
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Right, the book is competently written, it just doesn't have much that's really interesting or noteworthy in it. The main antagonist has a head that's eternally on fire though which is  It's not a bad book, it's just not as good as Harrowmaster or his Ork stuff. I would rank it above Huron Blackheart though because that book is pretty much the definition of a book that accomplishes nothing.
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May 12, 2024 23:06
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I swear I've read the Huron book like three times and I can never remember a single thing about it.
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May 12, 2024 23:27
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sharknado slashfic posted:I swear I've read the Huron book like three times and I can never remember a single thing about it. There’s renegade Space Wolves and Blood (or Dark?) Angels guys? Don’t rememner them doing much but it’s pretty cool anyway.
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Flight of the Eisenstein was alright, it should have been the third book. More could have been done with how a death guard is the first marine to turn into a religious wacked out zealot of the bunch. The Rogal Dorn bit is very crammed in. Lots of pointless filler, and not enough time dedicated to other parts. Lostconfused fucked around with this message at 05:11 on May 13, 2024 |
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May 13, 2024 05:07
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Yeah, the Lion book has some interesting parts - including his reaction to the Fallen - but it's merely competent and does a lot less than you'd expect for a novel involving the return of a Primarch. Worth a read, but not nearly as much fun as Brooks' best stuff like Harrowmaster and the Ork books. Partly I think that's because his best works are not at the center of the product line (A regular Alpha Legion warband and non-Armageddon focused Ork waaaghs). That gives him the space to do interesting things without upsetting the tabletop applecart. Things like mashing Orks and Dark Eldar together, or creating a Grotwaaaagh, or having a heretek Magos create female Space Marines.
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habeasdorkus posted:creating a Grotwaaaagh. Give the Grotwaaaagh a codex and I’ll finally buy into the tabletop game.
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The grotwaaagh is just a less interesting version of Da Revolushun, which Brooks also wrote about, although it's a short story instead of a novel (Da Gobbo's Revenge). It's amazing though, and so is the following story by Rhuiaridh James (Da Gobbo Returns).
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Alright, finally got to VOLUME 1. Echoes of Eternity was a crazy ride, I've been waiting for the Siege of Terra to TURN UP and ADB did it. How about that guy who gets eaten by Angron, or the chaos Titan's fused crew, and of course all the ruckus at the Eternity Gate. I open Volume 1, and we are back to the perpetuals and hanger-ons wandering around. gently caress!!!
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don't worry, the payoff to them is totally worth it! lol lmao
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the chaos Titan's fused crew,!!! posted:Engine Kill
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the chaos Titan's fused crew,!!! posted:Engine Kill 
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Pron on VHS posted:Alright, finally got to VOLUME 1. Echoes of Eternity was a crazy ride, I've been waiting for the Siege of Terra to TURN UP and ADB did it. How about that guy who gets eaten by Angron, or the chaos Titan's fused crew, and of course all the ruckus at the Eternity Gate. I open Volume 1, and we are back to the perpetuals and hanger-ons wandering around. gently caress!!! That's okay, you also get Fafnir Rann 
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I love Rann so much. My Wrath and Glory character is heavily inspired by him and is from a chapter that is an offshoot of his Executioners
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There was a little fragment in Echoes of Eternity that was incredibly  (among a whole bunch of other sad happenings), it really stood out to me. The scene where some random space marine tries to launch a Thunderhawk, but the air is so full of stone dust that the engines melt it and clog with glass, so he fires the orbital rockets and tries to go just a little further and then they burn out too and he crashes, killing everyone aboard. It really is a perfect encapsulation of how hosed everything/everyone was.
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May 14, 2024 20:44
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That's the same space marine that tried to get the Space Wolf to leave with him on top of the wall, right? He was a Raven Guard, wasn't he? And then the Space Wolf held off the traitors until they could take off and he died thinking they made it?
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I'm gonna say it - I think Echoes is generally a better book(s) than any of EatD. EatD, Abnett's hands are tied; He has his major beats pre-installed, and there's no way to deviate, and he still manages to drop in wider universe tidbits (Valdor, Liliean Chase, Star Child, etc.) but it somehow felt more bolter porny to me than Echoes. The only sections I truly loved were Ahriman turning up where he did and the Loken storyline, and even Loken spends a long time just filling pages by shooting at things without anything really changing.
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Shockeh posted:I'm gonna say it - I think Echoes is generally a better book(s) than any of EatD. I think I agree, though tEatD vol 1 is a very close second. It's just retroactively made not quite as good but being stretched out into three books.
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Echoes is a great book, TEatD is an experience. Yes, the complaints about it being too long are valid, but if ever a story deserved to be sprawled out and told in an overly-detailed fashion, it's this one. Also Echoes is less about the Siege than any other Siege book because so much of it is flashbacks, IIRC. I need to read it again but I remember a lot of it being flashbacks.
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That's the complaint though isn't it - It feels like it SHOULD have had an editorial pass; It's fine to be gilded, overwrought, and indulgent, that's exactly how the Horus Heresy should finish, and it does that in spades. Hell, even having entire side plots that make no meaninful difference, just give us other perspectives, are brilliant. The vignette little snapshots into other lives, brilliant. It just ALSO has hundreds of 'This generic World Eater was a deranged boi so the good guy shot him', 'This generic Death Guard was very tough, but then the good guy shot him', 'This generic Son of Horus was extremely skilled, but then the good guy shot him'. They become Mooks, and Astartes should never be 'just' Mooks, because it devalues the characters themselves. E: The worst offending bit was Fafnir & Zephon. At one point they're casually mowing down basically squads of Astartes - Like in the single building clearing they kill dozens, without taking any significant loss beyond 'I'm tired'. Shockeh fucked around with this message at 23:19 on May 14, 2024 |
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I liked EATD1 and 3 more than Echoes, but considered as a whole the book is really dragged down by part 2 being bloated and filler-y.
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At the very least I think Echoes was the best possible book to come right before EATD, makes the whole story end on a series of high notes. All the Blood Angels poo poo with Amon owned hard, and all the quick vignettes of holdout loyalists making last stands are the stuff I live for in this universe. Just finished Eisenhorn 1, loved it. I was going to try again to sneak Deathworlders in before moving on to Eisenhorn 2 but I don't think I can do that, I just want more of that good poo poo.
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https://twitter.com/GrahamMcNeill/status/1790450587017880021?t=m44sd1bs4ABo0TKAx7DHBQ&s=19 Lol Graham throwing shade.
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That's a good burn. Just don't get all Reflection Crack'd with ideas on how to treat the king's cancer, Graham 
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Nazzadan posted:the quick vignettes of holdout loyalists making last stands are the stuff I live for in this universe. The bit in Flight Of The Eisenstein with Huron-Fal and Temeter is very much lodged in my brain. I can't get enough of that poo poo.
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Shockeh posted:That's the complaint though isn't it - It feels like it SHOULD have had an editorial pass; It's fine to be gilded, overwrought, and indulgent, that's exactly how the Horus Heresy should finish, and it does that in spades. Hell, even having entire side plots that make no meaninful difference, just give us other perspectives, are brilliant. The vignette little snapshots into other lives, brilliant. This is kind of a follow-on from when they decided that you can make space marines in a few months now instead of it taking 10+ years. The losses the traitors took at Istvaan 3, (or the ones the Ultramarines took on Calth for that matter) don't mean much when you can just Juicero more marines. Why not have the loyalists kill dozens of them at a time?
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Mixed feelings on the 2nd dark eldar book, Path of the Incubus. It starts from the same cliffhanger but instead of a very intertwined story where a wide cast of characters actions all relate to each other, the cast is split into even smaller and more numerous groupings that seem disconnected and without the central momentum of a driving narrative. There's plenty of cool scenes and the characters are still entertaining, but dialog almost feels more pithy and plainly conversational instead of elevated and alien. Almost quippy. Sometimes it works but many one liners fell flat to me. The promise of a disaster story of Commoragh being invaded by demons ends up being more of a background element that only some characters interact with, and the finale seems to come up very suddenly. I still liked it all in all, but there was some whiplash going from the first book to this one. Lore thing I thought was most interesting: this book does a pretty good job for making the case of Drukhari as a more rich and featured society than the craftworld Eldar (from their perspective) while still making the craftworld interesting. This book also starts laying out the Ynnari a few years before they were a faction which is neat too. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 03:47 on May 15, 2024 |
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Emperors Children managed to create the most normal human Space Marine possible because they decided to recruit a random public speaker into their ranks? I guess they do try for every form of perfection possible.
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von Metternich posted:This is kind of a follow-on from when they decided that you can make space marines in a few months now instead of it taking 10+ years. The losses the traitors took at Istvaan 3, (or the ones the Ultramarines took on Calth for that matter) don't mean much when you can just Juicero more marines. Why not have the loyalists kill dozens of them at a time? I don't they ever out right explain how this actually fucks a lot of things up, but there are lines dropped here and there that imply/state that as a result of the heresy a lot of induction processes changed, like indoctrination, that meant that post heresy marines are kinda a breed apart from the pre-heresy ones.
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