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hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

SadisTech posted:

Unthinking people make me so very angry.

There's a dumb poo poo meme that's starting to be posted (by people who I suppose think they're doing the cause of refugees a favor) which shows the dead Syrian toddler lying in the surf, then another photo of people surrounding beached orcas and pushing them into the surf.

Now, this is evidently trying to make the point that we care about animals more than people. But it's dumb. It's dumb, dumb, dumb. Because it's both a poorly considered point, and it exploits the goddamn death of a child for shock value in making that point. It's horrific and it's wasted.

Someone just posted it in a Greens group on Facebook and is busily collecting likes. gently caress everyone.

We're all about shoving whales back into the ocean but when we do it with people everybody loses their minds!

terrible_joker_meme.jpg

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adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

Dude McAwesome
Sep 30, 2004

Still better than a Ponytar

My favourite is the fuckwit that finds a picture of a muscular refugee or a refugee carrying a laptop bag and is all like "HUR WHY ARE WE PAYING BENEFITS TO HIM, HE'S OBVIOUSLY ON THE ROIDS LOL" or "CAN AFFORD A LAPTOP, HOW PERSECUTED CAN SHE BE?!"

Because no-one that's fit as gently caress has ever been persecuted, nor anyone who owns a bag. Right?

edit: this was re: facebook morons, not Miranda Devine idiocy.

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

open24hours posted:

So he has a view, just not one he's willing to share publicly? So weak.

So to be clear on my reasons for responding to Bifauxnen via PM:
  • I wanted to show respect to Bifauxnen who may not like what I post but doesn't tell me to drink piss (all the time); and
  • I didn't want to foul a thread with my own poo poo effort post (for once).
If that's "weak" then I'm that I guess.

What I did say to Bifauxnen is that anything I wrote to her in our exchange I regarded as public domain and she is welcome to post or forward on anything I wrote.

So if you are curious you can contact her and read it at your leisure.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
A nation of brutes and cowards

by Chris Becker

Europe’s burgeoning refugee crisis is putting the spotlight on David Cameron’s conservative UK government approach, which has been mentioned as “Australia-lite”. Or in other words, constrained brutality with a pinch of indifference. This has changed in recent days as the spectre of seeing dead children wash up on Turkish beaches and scenes of hundreds of refugees piling into trains, then throwing themselves on the rail tracks in Hungary has reversed the mood of “sending them back where they came from”.

That mood hasn’t changed Down Under. And Europe’s refugee crisis is putting a stark spotlight on Australia’s “successful” asylum seeker policy.

From the op-ed pages of the New York Times:

quote:

Australia’s Brutal Treatment of Migrants

Some European officials may be tempted to adopt the hard-line approach Australia has used to stem a similar tide of migrants. That would be unconscionable.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has overseen a ruthlessly effective effort to stop boats packed with migrants, many of them refugees, from reaching Australia’s shores. His policies have been inhumane, of dubious legality and strikingly at odds with the country’s tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and war.

Since 2013, Australia has deployed its navy to turn back boats with migrants, including asylum seekers, before they could get close to its shores…

Those who have not been turned back are held at detention centers run by private contractors on nearby islands, including the tiny nation of Nauru…

The Border Force Act, which took effect July 1, makes it a crime punishable by a two-year prison sentence for employees at detention camps to discuss the conditions there publicly. Australia and Nauru, which depends heavily on Australian foreign aid, have gone to great lengths to keep international journalists from gaining access to the detention center…

European officials have traveled to Australia on fact-finding missions recently. Mr. Abbott… has urged European governments to follow his model, and some European leaders seem so inclined…

The world’s war zones are all but certain to continue to churn out an extraordinary number of refugees and economic migrants in the years ahead… It is inexcusable that some find themselves today in situations that are more hopeless and degrading than the ones that prompted them to flee.

This is the difference between a rich nation and a prosperous nation. An immature nation and a compassionate nation. The rich immature brute who would rather hide behind a fence – physical and metaphorical – while the rest of the world deals with its own problems. A prosperous nation would both ask and do what can be done to help others, to share its own good fortune with others who have none.

At Fleet Base East in Sydney stands Australia’s newest warship, the HMAS Canberra. A mammoth vessel, bigger than a WW2 aircraft carrier, it includes a hospital the size of a regional city and can maintain over 18 transport helicopters and carry over 1000 troops.

Why can’t a nation that has not suffered any strife, any war – hell, even any economic recession in over 20 years – not send a ship of that size to the Medittarean and say – how can we help?

Australia runs an overly generous immigration program for economic migrants arriving via aeroplane or the back door (e.g. international students), yet is so harsh on genuine refugees that arrive by boat. Why?

Instead we send in RAAF bombers to attack the source of the problem – ISIS (whose birth was the abortion that was the Iraq War) and the Syrian civil war – and fly away leaving others to deal with the aftermath, including potential “collateral damage”. We send RAN patrol boats and warships to send back our own meagre trickle of sea borne migrants to other nations that can barely afford to deal with them or just use the chequebook to bribe and pay for silence. We process the ones that slipped through in concentration camps on desolate Pacific islands and threaten the lives of anyone who reports on what happens therein, including doctors and mental health professionals.

And then sit back and watch our house prices go further north and bask in the richness.

Well done Australia. Cowardice has found a new home, complete with sunny beaches.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/09/a-nation-of-brutes-and-cowards/

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
loving hell Guardian Au

Splash Link:


Actual Article Title:


The research is about how generations view themselves. gently caress me.

"Millennials “stand out in their willingness to ascribe negative stereotypes to their own generation” the study said. The older the group, the more positively they saw themselves, the Pew study found.

The so-called “Silent Generation” — those ages 70-87 — overwhelmingly described themselves as hard-working, responsible and patriotic, at 83%, 78% and 73%. The baby boomers were not far behind, picking those same three words to describe themselves, at 77%, 66% and 52% respectively.

But only 12% of millennials and 26% of Generation X said they were patriotic; 24% of millennials and 43% of the Gen Xers said they were responsible; while 36% of millennials and 54% of Generation X said they were hard-working."

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman
Well at least we're honest (63%)

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007

Board games and tea

hooman posted:

loving hell Guardian Au

Splash Link:


Actual Article Title:


The research is about how generations view themselves. gently caress me.

"Millennials “stand out in their willingness to ascribe negative stereotypes to their own generation” the study said. The older the group, the more positively they saw themselves, the Pew study found.

The so-called “Silent Generation” — those ages 70-87 — overwhelmingly described themselves as hard-working, responsible and patriotic, at 83%, 78% and 73%. The baby boomers were not far behind, picking those same three words to describe themselves, at 77%, 66% and 52% respectively.

But only 12% of millennials and 26% of Generation X said they were patriotic; 24% of millennials and 43% of the Gen Xers said they were responsible; while 36% of millennials and 54% of Generation X said they were hard-working."
The Dunning-Kruger effect, ladies and gentlemen.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Text replacer to the rescue.

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

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Graic Gabtar posted:

So to be clear on my reasons for responding to Bifauxnen via PM:
  • I wanted to show respect to Bifauxnen who may not like what I post but doesn't tell me to drink piss (all the time); and
  • I didn't want to foul a thread with my own poo poo effort post (for once).
If that's "weak" then I'm that I guess.

What I did say to Bifauxnen is that anything I wrote to her in our exchange I regarded as public domain and she is welcome to post or forward on anything I wrote.

So if you are curious you can contact her and read it at your leisure.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I like your posting. Sure you don't mesh with the Auspol zeitgeist and I don't agree with a lot of what you say but thats cool, you aren't just being a dumb troll. Sure you should drink piss but everyone here should be drinking piss.

That said, drink piss.

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
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I should add look at the reg date for most of the posters, you'll see they've been around for a while and this place is a honeypot for austrolls (I'm getting a patent on that soon) so love can be hard to get if you're not in the groove.

Rougey
Oct 24, 2013

Birb Katter posted:

I should add look at the reg date for most of the posters, you'll see they've been around for a while and this place is a honeypot for austrolls (I'm getting a patent on that soon) so love can be hard to get if you're not in the groove.

Will those in the groove get uniforms?

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Patriotism isn't a positive attribute

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Solemn Sloth posted:

Patriotism isn't a positive attribute

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Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Hey has anyone got early dibs on October? If not, can I grab them cause I want to write up a Mister Rogers themed love-in OP before I see too many dead kids on my Facebook or something and get all sad and burnt out again.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

GoldStandardConure posted:

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENPSHIP

I'd trade in my citizenship for a premiership

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Anybody who thinks income redistribution in contemporary australian society has anything to do with envious poors sounds pretty dumb to me.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

katlington posted:

Anybody in contemporary australian society sounds pretty dumb to me.

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman

Solemn Sloth posted:

I'd trade in my citizenship for a premiership

Win/win imo

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

chyaroh posted:

In the context of "Muslim extremists are coming for them. If they're prepared to kill Muslim civilians, what more against professed Christian civilians?"

In isolation it's not the best argument, better to argue "most needy first" and see where religious persecution puts them.

There've definitely been massacres of Christians, and it's still nightmarish, but the broad IS practice is that Christians in a given community have to publicly akcknowledge their subjugation and pay a special levy to the state, and allowed to live

The killing is mainly directed at the wrong kind of or "mispracticing" muslims

The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Sep 4, 2015

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



It's not even christians first (because theyre the most needy) its christians only(because gently caress muslims).

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

Birb Katter posted:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I like your posting. Sure you don't mesh with the Auspol zeitgeist and I don't agree with a lot of what you say but thats cool, you aren't just being a dumb troll. Sure you should drink piss but everyone here should be drinking piss.

That said, drink piss.

I will gladly drink piss for what has been at times lazy posting. You need to be careful out there on that limb, but thanks.

Birb Katter posted:

I should add look at the reg date for most of the posters, you'll see they've been around for a while and this place is a honeypot for austrolls (I'm getting a patent on that soon) so love can be hard to get if you're not in the groove.

I think it is abundantly clear by now that if I think I deserve more support I should be buying tighter jocks.

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

Your social media quote of the day:
"Why don't they just go to Turkey, it's a muslim country"

:sweatdrop:

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e48e0fa7f.html

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Diet Crack posted:

Your social media quote of the day:
"Why don't they just go to Turkey, it's a muslim country"

:sweatdrop:

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e48e0fa7f.html

I was about to say, "I thought they were going to Turkey," and it looks like I was pretty much right. A million refugees and our intake's - what?

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

Starshark posted:

I was about to say, "I thought they were going to Turkey," and it looks like I was pretty much right. A million refugees and our intake's - what?

Turkey doesn't re-settle refugees, we do. That said, our intake is pathetic (13,500). Germany is on track to accept and settle 800,000 refugees this year alone. On relative GDP we should be taking in 281,000. On relative population, 229,000. On relative land, well, you know, a hell of a lot more. We like to pride ourselves on Australian values of generosity, but your real values are what you do, not what you think you do, and on that count we're the miserably pathetically selfish stingy shitbags of the developed world.

Miranda Devine is a moron who would best serve the world by executing a well thought out suicide plan.

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

Unimpressed posted:

Miranda Devine is a moron who would best serve the world by executing a well thought out suicide plan.

She's not capable of "well thought out".

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

Schlesische posted:

She's not capable of "well thought out".

She doesn't have to think of it herself, I'd be happy to suggest several.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
Speaking of completing suicide, between the refugee crisis and my family slavishly watching That 70's Show, I think it's time I did the ol' Hemingway on this life. Been nice knowing you guys!




:suicide:




















drat, forgot I don't own a gun. Anyway, it might be worth sticking around for Tony's departure but no promises after that especially if they repeat That 70's Show again.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Start every tweet with "STOP LYING" and be guaranteed that 99% of your audience will believe you and look no further.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Don't say that you guys, it would be a horrible waste for her to kill herself when it's such a marvel of science that she can remember how to breathe.

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001

Gorilla Salad posted:

Start every tweet with "STOP LYING" and be guaranteed that 99% of your audience will believe you and look no further.

Finish each one off nicely with #youknowitsright

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

That's one thing I wish auspol would change.

It would serve the world much better if Devine, Jones, Haddley, Bolt and their ilk recanted and realised the error of their ways, and frankly it's a much better look to wish for that, rather than wishing for the death of people.

Seeing as neither is going to happen any time soon, why not wish for the one that doesn't make you look like a sociopath?

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
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We lust for death. Why should they get better treatment?

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

Frogmanv2 posted:

That's one thing I wish auspol would change.

It would serve the world much better if Devine, Jones, Haddley, Bolt and their ilk recanted and realised the error of their ways, and frankly it's a much better look to wish for that, rather than wishing for the death of people.

Seeing as neither is going to happen any time soon, why not wish for the one that doesn't make you look like a sociopath?

A highly developed sense of justice, that's why.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Starshark posted:

I was about to say, "I thought they were going to Turkey," and it looks like I was pretty much right. A million refugees and our intake's - what?

Just for context, Turkey is a country of about 75 million people, and estimates are that there are 2 million Syrian refugees in the country.

Lebanon is a country of 4 million people, and they have taken in about 1 million Syrians. Of course, most of these refugees get their supplies from UN agencies and NGOs, financed by foreign aid, but then Lebanon isn't a rich country.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
^^^ Holy gently caress that's a lot of refugees for Lebanon!

Frogmanv2 posted:

That's one thing I wish auspol would change.

It would serve the world much better if Devine, Jones, Haddley, Bolt and their ilk recanted and realised the error of their ways, and frankly it's a much better look to wish for that, rather than wishing for the death of people.

Seeing as neither is going to happen any time soon, why not wish for the one that doesn't make you look like a sociopath?

If wanting the entire human race dead before I commit ritual suicide makes me a sociopath then LA DE DAAAAAAAAH!

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

Torrannor posted:

Just for context, Turkey is a country of about 75 million people, and estimates are that there are 2 million Syrian refugees in the country.

Lebanon is a country of 4 million people, and they have taken in about 1 million Syrians. Of course, most of these refugees get their supplies from UN agencies and NGOs, financed by foreign aid, but then Lebanon isn't a rich country.

I'm pretty sure Jordan's taken even more, and they have a population of 6 million.

The local countries always take a huge amount of people, thus satisfying the most basic need of the refugee, a haven from the violence they're escaping. But it's the rich countries' responsibility to provide the second stage, assuming the violence isn't very short lived, and we are shirking our responsibility in the most hideous way.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Yes but have you considered that discontinuing the white Australia policy was in fact a mistake

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

Frogmanv2 posted:

That's one thing I wish auspol would change.

It would serve the world much better if Devine, Jones, Haddley, Bolt and their ilk recanted and realised the error of their ways, and frankly it's a much better look to wish for that, rather than wishing for the death of people.

Seeing as neither is going to happen any time soon, why not wish for the one that doesn't make you look like a sociopath?

I have given your proposal serious consideration.

Nah

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Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

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Some communist newsmob posted:

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has signed papers ordering the deportation of Sydney bikie boss Sam Ibrahim.

Ibrahim is in jail, charged with running an illegal firearms syndicate.

He was born in Lebanon and came to Australia as a child.

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