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There's no rage, no disappointment, not even mild irritation anymore. VLR has deprived me of every reaction other than a resigned "yep, that's something you do, game". E: BTW, is anyone else getting really weird font on Something Awful right now?
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So... Sigma has 9 points. This is strange new territory.
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Mar 16, 2014 23:36
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It's not just you. Everything looks blockier.
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Mar 16, 2014 23:36
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Okay, make your bets, people: instant bullshit game over or not? Given this game's track record, I'm betting on bullshit.
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Mar 16, 2014 23:39
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Hogama posted:So... Sigma has 9 points. This is strange new territory. We can do it again once we jump back to the everyone dies path! We're up against a dead Luna after all last time we left. Come to think of it, that might be the only chance we have to get 9 points from allying in the first round, right? Whenever we allied with Tenmyouji or Alice in the first round we get Betrayed down to 1.
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Mar 16, 2014 23:42
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Aumanor posted:Okay, make your bets, people: instant bullshit game over or not? Given this game's track record, I'm betting on bullshit. I think there's gonna be some plot-lock with Phi blocking the door and Zigma going "well poo poo, I can't get past her. - HOW DO WE GET PAST PHI". I mean, a game over would be nice and this is probably the closest we are gonna get to one. Unless Zigma decides to stay behind. Please don't Zigma 
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Mar 16, 2014 23:43
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Mar 16, 2014 23:48
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Aumanor posted:E: BTW, is anyone else getting really weird font on Something Awful right now? Really weird colors, really weird drop shadows, really weird HTML1 table effects... There's like 5 threads about this across the forums and no answers...
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Mar 16, 2014 23:52
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Aumanor posted:There's no rage, no disappointment, not even mild irritation anymore. VLR has deprived me of every reaction other than a resigned "yep, that's something you do, game". This pair of choices is one of the best ones in the game. If you pick betray first. Otherwise it's just dumb.
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Mar 17, 2014 00:01
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I should be more upset at this but I like the fact that Phi's reasons for betraying us before are the same reasons we're betraying her now. Namely "I trusted you and then you betrayed me. So i'm gonna go back in time and instead betray you. Because gently caress YOU!!!  "
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Mar 17, 2014 00:08
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I should be more upset at this but I like the fact that Phi's reasons for betraying us before are the same reasons we're betraying her now. Namely "I trusted you and then you betrayed me. So i'm gonna go back in time and instead betray you. Because gently caress YOU!!! One does have to wonder, though, how she knew that she'd end up in a timeline where he'd choose ally. It'd be pretty awkward if she went back and chose betray at the same time he chose betray, putting her plan for revenge on ice.
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Mar 17, 2014 00:12
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:One does have to wonder, though, how she knew that she'd end up in a timeline where he'd choose ally. I don't think she did. Stopping Sigma from getting 9 points was probably good enough. It just didn't end up working out that way because of time-travel shenanigans. The only reason she betrayed us, is because we betrayed her. And the only reason we betrayed her is because she betrayed us. So therefore, when she chooses betray Sigma must choose ally and when Sigma chooses betray Phi must choose ally, because otherwise the cycle would be broken and then we'd enter a time paradox or some poo poo.
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Mar 17, 2014 00:28
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So the principles of cause and effect are a mere minor inconvenience to the characters in this story. 
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Mar 17, 2014 01:11
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I don't think she did. Stopping Sigma from getting 9 points was probably good enough. It just didn't end up working out that way because of time-travel shenanigans. The only reason she betrayed us, is because we betrayed her. And the only reason we betrayed her is because she betrayed us. So therefore, when she chooses betray Sigma must choose ally and when Sigma chooses betray Phi must choose ally, because otherwise the cycle would be broken and then we'd enter a time paradox or some poo poo. It's a shame Snake isn't in this game. This would've been the perfect time to make an MGS3 joke.
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Mar 17, 2014 01:21
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 What a surprise.If we go back to the branch we just came from and choose to Ally with Phi again, would that change the scene? (I doubt it.)
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Mar 17, 2014 01:32
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Why do I have the odd feeling that Sigma might not even make it through the door due to ''unexpected'' reasons? I mean, we have 9 points, what could possibly go wrong?
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Mar 17, 2014 02:18
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:
Geez Stabby; have some faith. Did the scenes change the last time we had Schrödinger's AB game?
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Mar 17, 2014 02:24
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tiistai posted:This pair of choices is one of the best ones in the game. If you pick betray first. Yeah, when Fedule said in the OP that he would force one decision, this event was my first thought (Though I hadn't figured out how that could be pulled off naturally). Fallord fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 02:39
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Super Jay Mann posted:So the principles of cause and effect are a mere minor inconvenience to the characters in this story. Everything's connected. Cause and effect still occur. Sometimes we just get the effect before the cause.
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Mar 17, 2014 02:52
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Heavy neutrino posted:Geez Stabby; have some faith. Did the scenes change the last time we had Schrödinger's AB game? Could it be possible that making this decision is (or at least leads to) the thing that releases the plot lock on the opposite path? Huh...
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Fallord posted:Yeah, when Fedule said in the OP that he would force one decision, this event was my first thought (Though I hadn't figured out how that could be pulled off naturally). Y'know, that was the plan, originally, but I ultimately decided against it for exactly the reason you stated. Ultimately, like with a lot of things in this game, you just get a different kind of appeal when you do it in a different order and it's always awesome. What order we do things in matters... and also doesn't really matter. Maybe I'll force some other choice. Or maybe I won't.
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Mar 17, 2014 03:34
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dunno why we're worrying so much about this, we just loving won  later gaters
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Mar 17, 2014 03:35
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Man lots of people ITT really loving thrilled to hate this game.
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Mar 17, 2014 04:09
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Well, finally got caught up on this thread. I wish I had found this earlier. This is so fascinating. Good thing I had decided to read 999 a while ago.
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you know, votes changing makes more sense if you don't think of this in terms of time travel. We aren't moving back and forth on a linear path after all, we're going down different branches. Clearly we were never meant to betray Phi first, she was meant to betray us first, to let us know that in another time and/or world we betrayed her. We're supposed to learn something here.
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Mar 17, 2014 04:28
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I love this part. I think it works better overall if you Betray first, but either way you're gonna have an interesting time.
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Yeah, when I did this branch, I went with Betray first just because I figured I'd have to eventually and I wanted to get it over with as soon as possible. So it'll be interesting to see if this scene is different from having done Ally before Betray.
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Onmi posted:you know, votes changing makes more sense if you don't think of this in terms of time travel. We aren't moving back and forth on a linear path after all, we're going down different branches. Clearly we were never meant to betray Phi first, she was meant to betray us first, to let us know that in another time and/or world we betrayed her. We're supposed to learn something here. I thought about that, but I'm more inclined to say it's lazy writing with a plot device for cover so they didn't have to figure out the opposite orders for an already convoluted plot. We already did another one of these branches, and I'm guessing it would have seemed equally silly if we had chosen backwards last time. Suspension of disbelief only gets you so far. When you start telling people they made choices when they clearly didn't, it's a pretty big jolt. Don't get me wrong - I like a lot of things about the game - but this seems pretty bad for the immersion factor.
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unfair posted:I thought about that, but I'm more inclined to say it's lazy writing with a plot device for cover so they didn't have to figure out the opposite orders for an already convoluted plot. We already did another one of these branches, and I'm guessing it would have seemed equally silly if we had chosen backwards last time. The illusion of choice was a pretty big theme in 999. After all, Akane was preordained to succeed because if she didn't the events of the later Nonary Game never happen, so in a sense there was no real player agency in that case either. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing similar in this game under the guise of the Prisoner's Dilemma.
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Well since we won, I want to congratulate Fedule on a stunning work of LP. It's been a thrill to read.
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I've only got one reply to this, since I knew it would happen ever since the thing with Alice. " "
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Austrian mook posted:Man lots of people ITT really loving thrilled to hate this game. You should try not to keep feeling so indignant and personally slighted when people don't react to something you like how you want them to.
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NeoNaoNeo posted:You should try not to keep feeling so indignant and personally slighted when people don't react to something you like how you want them to. I don't really care, I just think it's odd that before we've even seen this plot twist to it's conclusion, and really, before it's begun, people are getting ready to be upset about it. If you express that much effort into disliking something, maybe you should reevaluate how you're spending your time. E: I'm glad stuff fell out like this, I think this bit is better when you ally, and then immediately betray.
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Mar 17, 2014 11:31
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When a game betrays your trust, it feels like a part of you dies. For me I guess it was the part that cared.
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Pierzak posted:
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This thread finally convinced me to buy VLR. I guess now that I have a 3DS, I should show my support for the game rather than just watching other people play it, yeah? Especially if it helps ZE3 get out.
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RabidWeasel posted:
As far as I'm concerned, all bullshit will be forgiven the second they dump radical, time travelling robot-mummies on us. Hobgoblin2099 posted:This thread finally convinced me to buy VLR. I guess now that I have a 3DS, I should show my support for the game rather than just watching other people play it, yeah? Well, you could just leave the game unopened, and enjoy the potential of what might be inside the box… 
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And More posted:Well, you could just leave the game unopened, and enjoy the potential of what might be inside the box… Unfortunately, I bought it on eShop, so that joke doesn't apply. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Unfortunately, I bought it on eShop, so that joke doesn't apply. You could have left the present unopened!
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I don't think she did. Stopping Sigma from getting 9 points was probably good enough. It just didn't end up working out that way because of time-travel shenanigans. The only reason she betrayed us, is because we betrayed her. And the only reason we betrayed her is because she betrayed us. So therefore, when she chooses betray Sigma must choose ally and when Sigma chooses betray Phi must choose ally, because otherwise the cycle would be broken and then we'd enter a time paradox or some poo poo. Well, people in the thread may have betrayed Phi because she betrayed Sigma, but there's no indication yet that Sigma remembers the betrayal. He said he didn't know why he picked betray in the latest update.
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