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Added Space posted:Speaking of which, paging UNRA, we probably want to claim the asteroid closest to that JP at some point. And park a few dsts and Dragons Teeth in it.
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The closest asteroid is too far from the JP to engage it with anything other than specially designed long range, probably multi stage, missiles. It's still worth claiming it and putting a DSTS there at some point however.  Saros fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Innocent_Bystander posted:There's no point in sending anything to guard the JPs right now. Fred hasn't launched any ships that behave consistently with survey vessels, nevermind anything capable of actually transiting. Besides, they won't see us disappearing from space, they'll see us disappearing from sensor range en-route to empty space, which will probably just be written off as a diversion. 
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Added Space posted:Speaking of which, paging UNRA, we probably want to claim the asteroid closest to that JP at some point. Neptune has no minerals on or around it, the Feds own Saturn and we own a useful asteroid near the last already. (There are three asteroids nearer to it but they're useless.)
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Do the asteroids of the belt orbit about the system? I assume yes. Are there any non-orbiting fixed bodies besides the jump and survey points?
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Teledahn posted:Do the asteroids of the belt orbit about the system? I assume yes. Asteroid orbits are turned off to keep turn times down. It also lends a bit of a different strategic flavor to the game, having such fixed points available.
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Elsewhere, the UNIN Special Forces Team, having finished compiling its dossier on FEDMARS Administrator Yasmine Ogra, prepares to disembark from UNAS Aberdeen. The freighter had picked the team up during its latest pickup of research lab equipment. The information on Administrator Ogra was compiled from public records, sources within the Office of the Administrator, and BFM soldiers who had been assigned to guard and escort the Administrator during the brief BFM occupation of Lockyer. Ogra Dossier posted:
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Operative Prof. Snark's Analysis On Yasmine Ogra: Judging by this woman's dossier, it's easy to guess why she was assigned to Mars; her skills are perfectly suited to expanding a colony in a hurry, with focuses on logistics, production, mining, and economics. However, her political connections make her a more unusual subject; being a favorite of a deposed Triumvir, one would expect her to be phased out in favor of staff more loyal to the new Triumvir. Instead, her tenure was completely unaffected by the switch, meaning that it may have been a deliberate shift for currently unknown reasons. More information is required on the other subjects of Silent Watcher, but I feel we're getting a little closer to the truth. At any rate, it's nice to be on a planet that has a sizable UN force on it.
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That was a fun week of parties. Back to geopolitics. From: Councillor Added Space To: West African Association Liason Re: Sahara Re-Greening Initiative It certainly has been a tumultuous year since the project was first conceived of, with an interplanetary crisis and an interplanetary summit. The results of those have been a bit hard for both of us, I think. However, we are great powers who can do many things; particularly if we cooperate. It seems you have a large amount of capital ready to invest, and we have a way to make it happen. I'm submitting our supercomputer models to you. Our best bet to start the project is the Tanezrouft region of southern Algeria. This isolated location should minimize the effect of climate shift and displacement of locals. Let me clarify our intent with this; our involvement will be strictly limited. Our contingent will consist of a scientist to oversee the mechanics of the project, a small (company strength) military contingent, and a large (non-nuclear) bomb buried underneath the boronide crucible as a fail-safe. We will also be willing to pay full wages for all workers employed in terraforming operations. All other workers and all political decisions will be left to you, with the obvious exception of operations harmful to the whole Earth. If I may speak personally, this project is a dream of mine. For too long men have destroyed the places we lived and ravaged each other. It is my hope with this new technology that we can finally work together to improve our environment and restore what has been lost.
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Dr. Snark posted:Operative Prof. Snark's Analysis On Yasmine Ogra: Again, I beg you to consider that perhaps Fred Is Not Stupid, and is willing to look past simple personal politics in the name of putting the best person for the job in that particular job.
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Ogra's Mining and Factory Production bonuses were basically the two things that I_B and I were really interested in when talking through this, so that dossier is a little less complete than I'd hoped. Since Snark is already back on earth, we might as well have him snoop out our new Triumvir, but we'll have to circle back if we're to get a full picture. That said, her shipbuilding is rating is an interesting note. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Volmarias posted:Again, I beg you to consider that perhaps Fred Is Not Stupid, and is willing to look past simple personal politics in the name of putting the best person for the job in that particular job. True, but I think that they'd at least reassign her to someplace like Titan-somewhere far away from Earth where she wouldn't be in charge of Fred's most valuable colony. She'd still benefit the Feds, but she'd have less influence. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that she's kept her position on merit alone. Still, I'm sure there's something fishy about her... Dr. Snark fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Dr. Snark posted:True, but I think that they'd at least reassign her to someplace like Titan-somewhere far away from Earth where she wouldn't be in charge of Fred's most valuable colony. She'd still benefit the Feds, but she'd have less influence. We can't really judge her merits until we know what her merits are. And of most interest at this point in time is Mining and Factory Prod.
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Saros posted:Also what's up with half the UNEC disppearing?
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Pretty late on this one, but; why aren't the Feds just going to assume the Shrike has nothing to do with you? I mean, who else could it be? The only groups capable of building such a thing would be them, you, and the various civvie shipping groups, and they (as previously pointed out) have enough rein over their guys to know it's not them. So it has to be either you or one of the non-Fed shipping groups, and neither of those are a particularly good thing for them to think.
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Knowing and proving are two separate animals. We know the Martian Crisis was engineered by the Federation, we know they killed our citizens on Callisto, but can we prove it? No, we can't.
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From: Councillor Added Space To: Administrator Jihad Joe Re: Reassignment Sorry to pull the rug out from under you so suddenly, but this is a strictly egalitarian organization. Your qualifications are still good and you're on the short list for administrator of our first extra-solar colony. In more positive news the Dutch government had decided to award you the Geuzenpenning medal for your role in establishing the first democracy on another world. The UNCAO will give you a matching award (10 points). 
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Sky Shadowing posted:Knowing and proving are two separate animals. We know the Martian Crisis was engineered by the Federation, we know they killed our citizens on Callisto, but can we prove it? No, we can't. Even if they don't - even if you put out a press release or make a speech or something that says "Hey, we had nothing to do with this whatsoever. Not us!". What happens, in a best case scenario when they trust you on that, when they say "Fine, therefore it must be McK - there's literally no-one else it can be, because we take you at your word."
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During the Mars crisis, we pulled something similar on them when the BFM started fielding lots of Fed-made military materiel. They denied everything with a completely straigt face and got away with it. When they accuse us of having built Shrike, we're going to calmly point out that it is a Federation-built hull under control of the BFM, who, after the Mars crisis, we agree to treat as the Federation's internal problem, so kindly please don't come to us with your problem after almost starting a full-scale war the last time we interacted with them, thank you. Of course they'll /know/ it was us, which is why we're not going to do the really interesting things with Shrike until we have enough of our next-gen warships online that calling our bluff is more costly for Fred than it's worth, but they won't be able to prove it.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:During the Mars crisis, we pulled something similar on them when the BFM started fielding lots of Fed-made military materiel. They denied everything with a completely straigt face and got away with it. When they accuse us of having built Shrike, we're going to calmly point out that it is a Federation-built hull under control of the BFM, who, after the Mars crisis, we agree to treat as the Federation's internal problem, so kindly please don't come to us with your problem after almost starting a full-scale war the last time we interacted with them, thank you. Of course they'll /know/ it was us, which is why we're not going to do the really interesting things with Shrike until we have enough of our next-gen warships online that calling our bluff is more costly for Fred than it's worth, but they won't be able to prove it. TO: UNIN FROM: Administrator Volmarias (Deputy UNRA) SUBJ: Shrike It would be unfortunate if the Federation were to not only trap and disable the Shrike but were to board her and analyze her components. I certainly hope that whoever her benefactor is, they filed the serial numbers off of any gifts provided to her.
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To: UNSA From: Jnr Admin Kommando BSc. Re: Fuel Efficiency. So with this improved fuel efficiency, our missiles will have slightly improved range to match our improved sensors. Noice.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:During the Mars crisis, we pulled something similar on them when the BFM started fielding lots of Fed-made military materiel. They denied everything with a completely straigt face and got away with it. When they accuse us of having built Shrike, we're going to calmly point out that it is a Federation-built hull under control of the BFM, who, after the Mars crisis, we agree to treat as the Federation's internal problem, so kindly please don't come to us with your problem after almost starting a full-scale war the last time we interacted with them, thank you. Of course they'll /know/ it was us, which is why we're not going to do the really interesting things with Shrike until we have enough of our next-gen warships online that calling our bluff is more costly for Fred than it's worth, but they won't be able to prove it. Also, on what basis do you "know" it's the BFMs' ship, and won't the BFM kinda be mad that you're blaming them for space piracy when everyone actually knows the truth? Especially since they can fairly easily prove that they couldn't be behind it? And what happens if the Feds say "Hey, the BFM are attacking us; the UN agree with us on this point, so it's not just us being biased; therefore we're taking the BFM back."
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Blaming doesn't have much to do with it. Shrike entered its life as FEK Innocent_Bystander fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jul 1, 2013 |
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We don't have to focus on piracy. We could have it do recon and surveillance, and, in case of conflict, have it pop up and fire at Federation ships where they don't expect it. If timed right, it could provoke a reaction that could be beneficial for us, in case of conflict. And in the meantime we don't have it fire at anything, so that we keep this ace up our sleeve...
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Also as an aside, these are almost identical concerns to what was raised at the beginning of the Shrike project. They were discarded as insignificant then. They are even less relevant now since the changes are already done. What exactly is the naysayer agenda here, hunt down Shrike and blow it out of space? Why continue to complain about it, so you have more lines to be forgotten when nothing happens, or more to quote in 'I told you so's? I fail to see the value in continuing to talk about it, on either side of the argument.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:Blaming doesn't have much to do with it. Shrike entered its life as FEK Mitrata, the first-ever TNE vessel, launched by the Federation way back in 2025 or 2026, it's the ship they did the highly televised tour of the system in. It then got captured by the BFM when they took over Fred's Mars holdings, who handed it to Beef to ram into Federation void ships, which it did. We then picked it up, smuggled it to Tranquility, and turned it into what it is now. I'm fairly certain at least some of the serial numbers still say Mitrata. That's the whole point of using the ship in the first place. (It's also owned by the BFM in terms of game mechanics, just as an aside.) Coolguye posted:Also as an aside, these are almost identical concerns to what was raised at the beginning of the Shrike project. They were discarded as insignificant then. They are even less relevant now since the changes are already done. What exactly is the naysayer agenda here, hunt down Shrike and blow it out of space? Why continue to complain about it, so you have more lines to be forgotten when nothing happens, or more to quote in 'I told you so's? I fail to see the value in continuing to talk about it, on either side of the argument.
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Revenant Threshold posted:That assuages some issues, assuming the Feds figure it out, but it does raise problems in that, still, it's the only way that such a ship could come to be flitting about besides creating one new. And I don't see why blaming has nothing to do with it, since all you've said there means that actually the BFM do have something to do with it, rather than that just being a cover story. The Feds can quite legitimately point this out. Are the BFM on side on this? What do they plan on doing when called out? I believe that the equipment that was donated has some safeguards built into it, unbeknownst to the crew.
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Revenant Threshold posted:Well, if nothing else it's slightly concerning that the in-case-we-change-our-minds button is "Welp, going to have to go find the ship and blow it up." Presumably there's some method already planned out for a recall, or somesuch thing, that stops it if necessary, no? If there isn't, that's.... pretty much an issue in and of itself. If there is, all well and good, because it means something beyond forcing it to actually go rogue as an option if minds are changed is possible. It's a few pages back, but I believe Dr. Snark noted that some part(s?) of the ship has secret shutdown/self-destruct codes, which should help a)achieve plausible deniability, since the UN-provided equipment burns on our command, hopefully making it harder to identify as UN-provided if they're ever captured, and b) give us a last recourse if the Shrike gets up to something deeply objectionable. We cannot, however, use it to blackmail them into obedience because they don't know about it, and if they did they might be able to disable it, so it's best to keep it a secret in case we need it. That said, suppose we do need to blow them up at some point? I don't think it's likely (OOC, Beef posted to expect about 75% loyalty which is good enough for a free agent and probably better than Cornucopia will be, and in character we know Beef hates the Feds more than us) but I do think it's responsible to have a plan for the absolute worst case where the Feds gain some sort of leverage over him and also our self-destruct button gets found and disabled by his engineers. Since it may never happen, it doesn't need to be a plan that's super-detailed, and nor do we need to spend resources prepping something especially for it. But just in case, I'd like to know we have an idea of what happens next, that we have at least one ship that can track them, etc. We never did get that strategic planning advisor off the ground.
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If everyone's really that worried about being able to keep an eye on the Shrike, I doubt Raw_Beef would care much if we asked him to put a tracking device of some kind on his ship so we know where he is. It would be small, easy to install on the ship, and we'd be able to use the Shrike more effectively because we would know where it is at all times.
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Like I said last time there are failsafes integrated into the sensors and fire control. Furthermore the designs provided by the UNSA were one off custom built prototypes and shouldnt be traceable. Not sure about the engines however.
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Dr. Snark posted:If everyone's really that worried about being able to keep an eye on the Shrike, I doubt Raw_Beef would care much if we asked him to put a tracking device of some kind on his ship so we know where he is. It would be small, easy to install on the ship, and we'd be able to use the Shrike more effectively because we would know where it is at all times. My personal opinion is that the failsafes Saros refers to (and sorry about crediting the wrong one of you for noting them before) are almost certainly going to be enough; I just think it's good practice to think through as many what-ifs as possible so that later on we don't resort to panicked decision-making. We might even stumble on a great idea for how he can hit the Federation by asking ourselves "What's the worst he could screw us?" I'm torn on the tracker idea; on the one hand it makes him more accountable to us as well as improving coordination, but on the other hand the Feds could conceivably get their hands on that data, whether by SIGINT or HUMINT from whoever operates the computer storing/processing the incoming data, and then it's another black eye in the media. My ideal solution would be to just have at least one interceptor capable of chasing him down because that way, even if he's our loyal ally forever, hey, awesome interceptor we can use for other missions. But, our doctrine of monitor ships doesn't have a lot of research in common with such a craft so its design would probably be resources diverted from that, and we shouldn't be compromising major strategic initiatives for tactical safeguards. Are any of the mooted monitor designs equipped with sensors that can detect the Shrike at a reasonable range? I'd be happy if we just made sure our general fleet-building doctrine could handle Beef going rogue once our next generation is deployed. (Or, put another way, if it handled the Federation having a ship or two in the same design type as Beef's) Ninja edit: speaking of Raw Beef, while I was considering Rogue Beef scenarios I thought how nice it is that our unescorted survey ships are done finding Jump Points before any potential pirates were introduced to the system. But since Fred has no such luck, may I suggest that when the Federation launches a ship that seems like a potential Jump Point surveyor, that he go out and "welcome" them should they not be sufficiently escorted. Akratic Method fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jul 2, 2013 |
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Revenant Threshold posted:Well, if nothing else it's slightly concerning that the in-case-we-change-our-minds button is "Welp, going to have to go find the ship and blow it up." Presumably there's some method already planned out for a recall, or somesuch thing, that stops it if necessary, no? If there isn't, that's.... pretty much an issue in and of itself. If there is, all well and good, because it means something beyond forcing it to actually go rogue as an option if minds are changed is possible.
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Coolguye posted:That is not at all what I was saying. What I was instead saying is that we should probably not bother talking about it unless there is a consensus that a plan of approach other than the one we have right now is better than what we're doing right now. This discussion strikes me as a 'the rent is too drat high'-esque straw man where people are less advocating a different course of action and more complaining simply to complain. If a plan hasn't been put into action yet that's fine, since there's always the option of doing nothing. But when we have already done something if you don't come to the table with an alternate course of action it ends up just sounding like a nuisance. The UN General Assembly welcomes [very nearly] all opinions. Let no one in the UN attempt to censor speech in this era of great transparency.
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Coolguye posted:That is not at all what I was saying. What I was instead saying is that we should probably not bother talking about it unless there is a consensus that a plan of approach other than the one we have right now is better than what we're doing right now. This discussion strikes me as a 'the rent is too drat high'-esque straw man where people are less advocating a different course of action and more complaining simply to complain. If a plan hasn't been put into action yet that's fine, since there's always the option of doing nothing. But when we have already done something if you don't come to the table with an alternate course of action it ends up just sounding like a nuisance. Even beyond that, and if we were to accept entirely what you say there - there's a certain value in hindsight analysis.
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From out of deep space, a single transmission arrives at the UNIN Callisto orbital facility... To: UNIN, UNEC FROM: ######### RE: WALLSTREET Operation WALLSTREET is go. Systems working as intended. Attached are the raw data feeds of our investigations into the wrecks of FEK Kabul and UNS Negros. You might be able to learn something useful from them. There are more wrecks to investigate, but its risky work and the men want something to motivate their efforts, we're not a naval crew after all. BG said these scans were worth some espionage points. There are more to be gained by more scans. While i encourage discussion of ideas, i must state that Shrike is a small sideshow to the greater effort as a whole. I'm not going to start the next Solar War all by myself. A good paycheck, adventure, and comfortable living is our motivation on Shrike. Fluffwise, everyone onboard shrike is ex BFM loyalists. The ship's hull is still marked in all the ID plates as FEK Sledyopet. Captain Beef has no desire to have the ship taken by anyone, and has worked with master engineer XO Alexandrov to rig several sorium bomblets inside the engine compartments. Should capture be imminent, this device will be triggered and the ship scuttled. Shrike and crew have no knowledge of the UN's safeguards but OOC i acknowledge their existance is fair and to be expected. Raw_Beef fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jul 2, 2013 |
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