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Saros posted:I had it down as money buys a year of exclusivity for DSTS and the research 240 buys another year for DSTS + an extra year of exclusivity on the next project. TildeATH posted:FROM: Grand Principle TildeATH These two posts had me of the opinion that the deal had been concluded, especially as I updated in the interim. The deal has already been made live in-game (that is, the money and tech transfer has already taken place, as well as follow-on effects). If someone has a good suggestion about how to "undo" this without rolling back the save, I'm all ears. Otherwise you'll have to roll with it.
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Revenant Threshold posted:I wonder at what point we consider whether it's reforms of the decision-making process that are the issue, or the decision-makers themselves. The decision-makers themselves.
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It's a scandal! Someone look into Saros's personal accounts!! A fish always rots from the head down!!! I'm sure Cornucopia would be happy to provide Saros with asylum and an extremely lucrative consulting gig...
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TildeATH posted:It's a scandal! Someone look into Saros's personal accounts!! A fish always rots from the head down!!! I'd have to disappoint, there. Far as I can see, Saros was well within his rights to conclude that deal, considering the appearance of a majority of Councilors apparently (and, it seems, still teetering on a stalemate, according to the vote) agreeing with him. I'm not enthused, but then, I haven't really been so (in character, at least) about most of the things involving Cornucopia and Tilde's (in character, at least) grand ambition to become the Great Poobah Star Empress of Humankind.  bgreman posted:These two posts had me of the opinion that the deal had been concluded, especially as I updated in the interim. The deal has already been made live in-game (that is, the money and tech transfer has already taken place, as well as follow-on effects). If someone has a good suggestion about how to "undo" this without rolling back the save, I'm all ears. Otherwise you'll have to roll with it. At any rate, it would be remiss of me as deputy of the UNSA not to offer such a suggestion. From: Brendan "Scribbleykins" Mo, Somewhere in Nevada, UN Theoretical Physics Labs Professor of Applied Military Comms & TNE Sensors Technology Studies, Deputy of the UNSA To: UN Executive Councilors Subject: 'Flaking' Corny If you feel that trading cutting-edge secrets of the UN to independent contractors is problematic (at least at the current exchange rate) and want to hold a proper UNEC vote on the details, then we're in a bit of a bind. Long story short, deal sped ahead, money and data has been transferred already, spilt milk, etc. Potential means of delaying/reneging/renegotiating the trade -can- be considered if the council feel raising a stink is worth the effort. For example, there is the issue with proper procedure and copyright; primary credit for the research paper constituting the advancements collectively termed 'Research Rate 240' was given to Dr. Slaan. The UN, as Dr. Slaan's sponsor, has rights of use and re-sale, but Dr. Slaan has the right to be consulted before any big decisions is made on the sale of his and his team's work. His say is not final, Big Money science being very much unlike Creative Commons small-time science, but it's nevertheless an important formality. Saying Slaan was never consulted properly could be used to justify temporarily reneging the trade and get the banks and data firms involved cooperative in returning or at least freezing the assets that have, at present, been unlawfully passed on. It's a technicality, but greater lawsuits have been launched on such technicalities. Likelihood of retrieving the money (bar administrative fees and interests) is high, as Cornucopia has yet to actually produce their research, and from there we can neglect to follow up on re-initiating the present deal. Cornucopia acquiescing by removing the research data from their servers is dicey, but if we can ever prove them to have kept, or illegally used or passed on, the data for their own ends, the UN should have grounds to sue (or, if they refuse to go to court, sanction) them. Not that that would be much comfort, us having essentially given them the research for free. Putting red tape on the expenditure may also be used renege the deal; the money spent wasn't really part of any kind of discretionary 'backroom deal' budget, it came straight out of the UNSA budget. Our sterling economic situation irregardless, a red flag can be raised here, and deeming the trade unlawful could be decided by the UNEC (at least if they want to manually vote on every research trade to be done by the UN). Once more, this can be used as a pretext with which to have Cornucopian-affiliated banks and laboratories delete their copies of research data and return or freeze the money until the situation is resolved either way. If they fail to do so we can again go the legal route. Or we could just let the deal go through as-is and avoid the embarrassment and loss of trust potentially caused by backing down or renegotiating on a deal that is for all intents an purposes already made. The question is: what would you rather do?  "Do you think zey will go for eet?" "Probably not? They're not terribly good options compared to whistling loudly and pretending we got exactly what we wanted out of the deal, but it's got to be worth at least mentioning. Besides, someone might know a catchy tune." "And ze deep space tracking research, is it really worth it?" "Worth to have, yes. Worth to buy from the Cornies? A bloody waste if you ask me, we've got some brilliant sensors scientists sitting right here twiddling their thumbs and we know jack poo poo about what the Cornies have got, beyond 'five labs maybe' and that sodding Tilde-lover Amritha Rao who can't hold a candle to me or Chhaya Tantry. If I was asked, and I wasn't, I'd suggest we at least buy something we can't more easily research ourselves if we had the will." "And zis would not be ze bias of someone having their potential work stolen speaking, non?" "... let's change topics. Did you hear, Saros is even considering lending Dr. Barrelfox to Cornucopia's research efforts? Oh, and he confused her for a man. I got a terse e-mail about that over my UIA yesterday." "Oh là là. I would not like to be in the director's shoes when she finds him."
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Innocent_Bystander posted:There are two powers on Earth capable of shooting that thing down. Us and Fred, the latter will certainly know and make sure the rest of humanity does, too. It's not happening, Jimmy is right. But but but if we just deny it was us we'll be OK right? Just quoting the above for ANYONE who ever tried to make the same argument about Shrike, when it was ours.
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Okay well if its done its done. I think everyone is vastly overestimating the value of what we have given Tilde. The Feds almost certainly have research 240 and we have established a base exchange level for future trading, i.e. Cost + 50% in money only. Money is basically worthless to us and the research tech will bring up the date where we get our payoff. Is it a good deal for Tilde? Yes, but it is good for us, it ties up cornys research, we get a 'liason' inside their research establishment to monitor them, we get a tech for very little of value and finally we get a solid test of Tildes trustworthiness.
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Why that last one? \/ People do seem to have trouble getting that "things that have value to us" and "things that have value to them" are interdependent. Revenant Threshold fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Aug 10, 2013 |
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Saros posted:Is it a good deal for Tilde? Yes, but it is good for us, it ties up cornys research, we get a 'liason' inside their research establishment to monitor them, we get a tech for very little of value and finally we get a solid test of Tildes trustworthiness. As a minor power with only 5 labs, research efficiency is literally the most important tech they could have gotten their hands on. And we just gave it away for a song. This was not an even trade, this was a massive gift to the Cornys.
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What's done is done. We now have a better idea of what the UNEC considers a good deal with an untrusted partner and we can all get back to worrying about what the Turing jump ship will find beyond Sol.
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Diplomaticus posted:But but but if we just deny it was us we'll be OK right? They couldn't catch me then, they wont catch me now. Thats what makes this different.
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bgreman posted:This is the right one. Speaking of, in order to change things up a little bit, UNGA is proposal term length limits for UNEC councilors of eight years. There would be no limit to the total number of terms served. Elections would be rolling throughout each election year. I'd start with a rolling startup re-election in 2036. This isn't finalized yet; I wanted to get some feedback on it. Some of the UNEC councilors have already said they'd be down for it. Still looking for feedback on this. Earth: UN HQ, Geneva, 3rd August 2034 Gnooble posted:From: Gnooble, Acting UNFRAD From: Kontr-admiral Arman Melnikov, FEDCENTCOM To: Gnooble, Acting UNFRAD Re: Mars Situation We find this to be acceptable. We will begin embarkation activities as soon as your ship(s) are made available to us. Gnooble posted:From: Gnooble, Acting UNFRAD Save FEK Sledopeyt, which was commandeered by the BFM during the unpleasantness at Mars last year, all Federation hulls are accounted for as well. However, I must note that it is extremely disappointing that elements within the UN have resorted to baseless accusations in the face of this threat to both our organizations. We had hoped that this investigation might be able to be carried out without such aspersions entering the equation. Personally, and while this might be stepping a bit outside my own purview, it seems the UN has an odd fascination with accusing the Federation of harming itself for some theoretical gain. I find these accusations entirely without merit. Message ends  On Mars, the day is (relatively) uneventful. A steady stream of automatons emerge from the Belnar vault. All are cut down with no damage to UN forces. However, the public reaction to Raw_Beef's claims of a robot uprising on Mars is immediate panic. Tens of thousands of UN civilians set out in convoys toward Lockyer Crater, which they feel is distant enough from the ruins (compared to Newtown, which directly abuts the ruin zone) to offer some measure of safety. UN Martian public leaders demand answers from the UN, Federation, or anyone who is capable of providing them. 2nd Cruiser Squadron: Deep Space, 4th August 2034 Innocent_Bystander posted:Very well. UNS Samar, UNS Leyet, and UNS Sofia are detached from 2nd Cruiser Squadron. Samar (CO CMDR Chiwie) will return to Earth and link up with the Aberdeen freighters, providing an armed escort as they begin shuttling infrastructure from Earth to Callisto. Leyet (CO CAPT Vander) will escort Sofia (CO CAPT Aethernet) to Callisto, where the Berlin IIM will begin overhaul operations. After that, Leyet will rendezvous with the task group of five York II freighters, serving as their escort.  The mechanical assault on UN formations continues at a low intensity throughout the day, being easily handled by the engineering brigades' defenses. At Lockyer Crater, the Federation announces to refugees clustered outside that the colony is overcrowded and unable to support the thousands of UN citizens fleeing from the threat of the robots. However, they are willing to distribute refugees to more outlying settlements. SS Rheineland: Low Earth Orbit, 5th August 2034  SS Rheineland, pride of McKiernan's colony fleet, is drafted into the United Nations Axuiliary Services as UNAS Rheineland. She will serve to begin the final evacuation of the UN's Mars colony, returning the colonists to Earth. When it reaches Mars, the news of this development has a calming affect on the populace. With the promise of evacuation coming soon, the mass exodus of citizens to the Federation relocation settlements dries up, and a brave few even begin to return to their homes. The way I'm handling this, when the colony ship gets to Mars to begin loading colonists, it sends a message to the event log informing me. At that point, I'll take 100,000 colonists' worth of infrastructure from the planet and move it on to the fake UN colony I've created on Phobos. This will ensure that the rest of your civilians don't see 100,000 available colonist slots on the planet and send fresh shipments. This is also how I've been handling the found Belnar infrastructure. Freighter Command Heavy: Low Earth Orbit, 6th August 2034  Samar arrives at Earth and forms up with the Aberdeen-class freighters. The task group sets course for Mars, where it will assist in shuttling Belnar infrastructure to Callisto. On Mars, the Belnar automatons continue low grade attacks throughout the day. The rate of emergences is steadily decreasing, making officers and UNGF leaders confident that the outbreak is firmly contained. Mars: Belnar Ruin Zone, 8th August 2034  In the Belnar Ruin Zone, approximately 28 km from the automaton cordon, a squad from the 78th Engineering Brigade is combing through a newly discovered subterranean Belnar complex. Stumbling into another of the ubiquitous warehouse vaults, the squad is surprised to discover five more devices matching the description of the Belnar ECMs allegedly discovered by the Federation in 2033. As the technicians are loading the last unit onto a pallet to return to the surface, a flurry of weapons fire erupts from a passage deeper into the warehouse vault. Soon after, a dozen Belnar automatons emerge and engage in a retreating firefight with the recovery team. While the lieutenant in charge calls for backup from the 78th, his men slowly pull the pallet back toward the surface, all while under withering fire from the mechanical onslaught. They then scramble to erect a barrier and defensive cordon around this new emergence point. By the end of the day forty-two men are dead, eighty-eight missing in the Belnar tunnels, and over four hundred wounded or otherwise unable to fight. However, the cordon holds, and the rate of emergences at this point dies down as well. At the Callisto Fleet Maintenance Base, CMDR Cthulhu Dreams uses the time his ship, UNS Caloocan, is in overhaul to brush up on his leadership skills. His latest evaluation makes him the next most likely UNIN commander to be promoted to captain. Finally, on Tranquility, news outlets report that UN Administrator Coolguye has closed a major deal with the Lunar Nation, allocating an increased portion of domestic production to UN-directed projects. There are estimates that this will grow the industrial and production sector of the colony by up to 8%. Mars: Newtown Colony, 9th August 2034   UNAS Rheineland arrives in orbit over Mars and begins to take on cryofrozen colonists. There is nearly a riot at the unimproved spaceport outside the colony as a rush of evacuees attempts to overpower the UNGF engineers working as security forces. Though the glut of people is eventually peaceably dispersed, UNMARS officials decide to implement an evacuation lottery. Those interested in participating will enter a lottery that will randomly distribute numbered evacuation permits. Those with the lowest numbered permits will be able to evacuate first. As an interesting method of raising funds to pay for the evacuation, the permits cost a nominal fee (fixed at €5) and will be freely exchangeable among the citizenry, for services or cash, with the UN Martian government taking 25% of the transaction. Reports indicate that after the first day of the registration period, nearly two-thirds of UN Mars citizens have registered for the lottery. Rheineland is scheduled to return within two weeks for her second load. Later in the day, Col. Kawasie Sumio orders a team of soldiers from his 82nd Engineering Brigade to go on a daring scouting mission into the Belnar ruins. Two hours into the mission, the team discovers an enormous chamber filled with still-hibernating Belnar automatons. While the reason these particular robots have not yet re-activated is unknown, the team rapidly sets demolition charges throughout the room. After pulling back to a safe distance, the charges are blown, destroying an estimated 600 robotic soldiers. Finally, CMDR President of Tennis finds himself forced to discipline a group of void sailors on his vessel, UNS Visayas who were found to be operating an illegal gambling operation. His stern but fair treatment of the group wins him a number of admirers within the 2nd Cruiser Squadron. Mars: Belnar Ruin Zone, 11th August 2034  Nearly two weeks into the Belnar automaton incursion, the robots are still emerging from underground regularly, though the rate has dropped to one or two per hour. However, today, there is another large surge of nearly 150 mechanicals, which is easily dispatched by the forces of the Cordon. On Earth, CMDR rizzen achieves excellent results from his crew in a coordinated test of the Ghostbuster defense network. Mars: Belnar Ruin Zone, 13th August 2034  Under orders to make the most of the rapidly dwindling time the UN has left on Mars, a squad from the 78th Engineering Brigade continues recovery efforts, locating and salvaging a Belnar construction factory. The facility is tagged and assigned to be packed up for lift back to Tranquility. The rest of the day is relatively quiet, with only the normal trickle of automatons coming to the surface. Mars: Belnar Ruin Zone, 15th August 2034  Following the success of the 78th two days earlier, the 83rd Engineering Brigade reports the successful recovery of an automated mine. Like the construction factory, it is assigned for transport to Earth for potential distribution to one of the UN's automated mining colonies. More major news comes out of the Belnar Ruin Zone, however, as Brig. Gen. Valérie Auclair reports that the robot emergences have stopped entirely. Scouting teams are dispatched to the vault breaches to confirm the lack of automaton activity. As the scouts close in on the breach, they discover a tunnel bored into the cavern walls. Inertial guidance indicates that the tunnel cuts, straight as an arrow, directly toward the Newtown colony. When this is reported back to the Brigadier General in charge of the Martian forces, he orders the entirety of the 82nd Engineering Brigade's combat teams to storm the tunnel. The 83rd is ordered to find the other endpoint of the tunnel and penetrate there. An hour later, contact with the remaining automaton forces is made. These robots (nearly a hundred remaining) are behaving in a markedly different fashion, seeming to display directed planning, contingency, and tactical thought. The robots establish a stout perimeter around whatever activity is taking place, managing to hold off UN assault teams in the narrow tunnel for over two hours. Finally, just as UN troops are close to neutralizing the automaton forces, a shimmering force field snaps into place, deflecting all UN small arms fire. Scouts who approach the field report that it causes no other external phenomena, but that they simply aren't able to touch it; their probes simply slide off to one side or another until withdrawn. As observers watch the dozen or so robots inside the field, a sickening certainty sets in: the robots are constructing some sort of mechanism from supplies in crates they've dragged into the tunnel. Two hours after the force field is activated, the robots gather around the device, and one of them (apparently the leader), does something with one of its prehensile tentacles. A blinding flash fills the tunnel, and the soldiers scramble to get out before the device does whatever its about to do. Ten minutes later, remote cameras left to observe show the robots scattered in heaps around the device, apparently inactive. As time goes by, the simple-looking machine begins to exhibit a strange blue glow. Finally, twenty minutes after activation, the glow suddenly winks out. The same subsonic trembling fills the entire Belnar Ruin Zone as when the automatons were first unleashed. Later, investigators will learn that the sub-noise was perceivable even as far away as Lockyer Crater. Above the device, the landscape of Newtown shifts, first subtly, and then catastrophically as the ground falls away all around the device and force field. The dome of Ward 8 of Newtown fails as the ground below it subsides. Once the area above the device is clear, the device flashes once more, far more brightly than the earlier outbursts. When investigators reach the scene hours later, there is no trace of the device or the robots that assembled it. The damage to Newtown is extensive. All of Ward 8 (which includes the UN warehouse storing the recently packed construction factory) has been leveled, leaving 25,000 people without homes. However, scouts report that there is no sign of further robot activity. It would appear that whatever the robots did, it was their final desperate act. Elsewhere, CAPT Hostergaard spends some overhaul downtime practicing fleet maneuvers in the Callisto Maintenance Base's simulators. Mars: UNIN Field Office, 17th August 2034  From: UNIN Intel Office, Mars Branch To: UNEC Re: Federation Ship Movements Sirs, UNAS Rheineland is in low Mars orbit, taking on a second set of evacuees. She's just forwarded us an interesting contact report from her navigation sensors. She's detected a Moskva 31 breaking Mars orbit at 2000 kps, bearing 208° solar true. This is on a direct bearing for Cornucopia. Civilian Construction
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Just to clarify this is in addition to the 25 000 that outright died in the attack correct? Ah, contacting the Feds for aid will be a little embarrassing, 25000 people don't need much infrastructure though. MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Aug 10, 2013 |
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MagicBoots posted:Just to clarify this is in addition to the 25 000 that outright died in the attack correct? No. This IS the 25,000 listed in the attack. Casualties are dead, wounded, or displaced. catfry posted:I just now noticed that information in the RawViewer relating to shipyards is deficient. there is no column for completion date, either for modifications or constructions, and it also lacks the mod rate column, and 'ABR', whatever that is. Just wanted to note that I went ahead and fixed this. The shipyard report now shows completion dates for activities and tasks. Note that it will be wrong for tasks if you are building commercial ships in a military shipyard for some reason. The report generator assumes ships built at military yards are flagged as military. Dynamically determining whether a ship design is commercial or military is more work than I felt like putting in tonight, and it won't be a problem until that scenario arises. bgreman fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Aug 10, 2013 |
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bgreman posted:When investigators reach the scene hours later, there is no trace of the device or the robots that assembled it. Please, someone tell me I'm not the only one worried that the automatons jumped to another Belnar outpost, one with more war machines that can come back and do more damage.
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Kal-L posted:Please, someone tell me I'm not the only one worried that the automatons jumped to another Belnar outpost, one with more war machines that can come back and do more damage. If they did, sadly there's basically nothing we can do about that for the moment. We need to focus on what's going on now rather than what could happen. bgreman posted:From: Kontr-admiral Arman Melnikov, FEDCENTCOM Aha HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh dear god, this guy must not have heard of how the Mars Crisis really got started. That's just delightful irony right there. Still, at least we succeeded in blowing this guy off-he was a bit too curious as to what attacked the freighters. Sure, we didn't make any friends, but hey. At any rate, from my angle, the only thing I can recommend doing at the moment is getting our swanky new ECMs off of Mars ASAP. Those might come in handy since we know that the Feds got some other ones.
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So apparently finding a horde of Terminators under the sands of Mars pushes the engineers into overdrive and they recover 3 more items one after the other? My reaction would be more like "Oh god killer robots nuke it all" than "Neat, lets dig deeper!"
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True, though I think that their actual reaction was "Oh god, the Feds are going to boot us off of Mars for this, let's nab whatever we can and cheese it!" And I suspect it's what will happen. But hey, if they ever come back, it'll be Fred's problem instead of ours!
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bgreman posted:Still looking for feedback on this. OOC: I support this.
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Yeah if everybody's going to be paralyzed over impeaching UNEC members that drag us into unending quagmires at the very least term limits are a good idea as long as all deputy positions are filled.
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How many engineering divisions do we have actively engaged in salvage and exploration on Mars? Do we know how many the Feds have?
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From: Councillor Added Space To: UNIN Ground Forces, Mars Re: Robots I realize that you're not combat personnel, but you have performed admirably under difficult conditions. The UNCAO thanks you for defending our citizens. While there will be a formal inquest, rest assured there will be no difficulties from us. To: UNEC Re: Robots While I doubt very much robotic hordes will be knocking down our doors any time soon, we should take this as a reminder to perform adequate scouting in systems before sending in civilians, and to maintain an adequate military force at any future ruin sites.
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Well, now we know that robot space jihadis exist.
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Upon closer inspection, several robotic fragments bear the inscription "no hecho en cornucopia"
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bgreman posted:However, the public reaction to Raw_Beef's claims of a robot uprising on Mars is immediate panic. You see, the robot attack was a classified secret between us and the feds, correct? However, Raw_Beef is allied with Cornucopia. So, the feds now know that SOME faction is feeding corny with state secrets. They also know that that faction sure as hell isn't them. Hey, but we made it a couple months before becoming complicitly tied to Corny. That has to amount for something, right? 
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bgreman posted:Still looking for feedback on this. Is there a grandfather clause for UN Councillors still serving as the first Councillor of their office ever that gives them a pass on elections?  Srebrenica Surprise posted:Yeah if everybody's going to be paralyzed over impeaching UNEC members that drag us into unending quagmires at the very least term limits are a good idea as long as all deputy positions are filled. Well to be fair we've never actually reached that point. Sure some tempers flared, but apart from one or two people yelling for it, there was no strong desire for any impeachment of anyone, just a couple angry people yelling for something. Also, good job guys, we've managed to beat the terminators, though I wish we didn't have to lose so many in the process. We'll mourn our dead, investigate the dead machines and learn. We will never forget the sacrifices of those who perished in this terrible conflict. Also I recommend that until we find evidence to the contrary, we label any Belnar automaton or (if possible) any living Belnar as hostile. While this was probably just a misunderstanding of ancient machinery, given that we've ha some significant casualties, it would be best to be safe than sorry.
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I'm quickly reading through this thread and it is simply masterful! Right now I'm on page 60, and the lunar charter is about to be voted on by the various moon citizens, but I needed to pop out to the end so that I could sign up for the UN Fleet, only to find that crazy crazy stuff is happening! I skipped though a lot of it to avoid spoilers, but if it's not to late could I get in line for a fleet berth? Thanks!
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So now robo-crisis is over, hopefully, what does this tell us about the Belnar? Assuming the robots aren't the Belnar themselves (though that tentacle does suggest that at least some of them may be the beldroid equivalent of androids), we have division of duties, a central planning group without requiring outside input which is capable of reacting to events but apparently not any kind of true AI or genuine thought. It seems like it was just running on very basic orders - attack nearest colony, self-destruct on risk of capture. So it seems like the Belnar were planning on coming back at some point, assuming this wasn't just an outpost in a war against some yet other party. The key question is - does this tell us whether the Belnar are extrasolar? I think it's fair to assume that a race capable of making such advanced robots plus that shield technology had spaceflight. We haven't found Belnar ruins on the Moon (or Earth, for that matter). That's not to say they aren't there, but just as the Moon and Mars are the best placed for us to visit, so too would Earth be a good choice from Mars. You think you'd find some evidence of colonys, etc., if they'd originated from Mars on other planetary bodies. That we haven't suggests to me that this is a Belnar outpost specifically for our solar system, and that they are from elswhere.
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Revenant Threshold posted:So now robo-crisis is over, hopefully, what does this tell us about the Belnar? I forgot where it was posted, but yeah, Belnar are extra solar. The ruin complex was basicallya largish colony built when Mars was slightly more tolerable, but still different enough that when compared to Earth, it was apparently better for the Belnar. Plus Fred recovering jump engines from the ruins kind of sealed it that the Belnar were extra solar.
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Raw_Beef posted:They couldn't catch me then, they wont catch me now. Which is precisely why the UN should nuke the shipyard and blame you. But whatever, in little bit it'll be the two Superpowers trying to conquer the Galaxy - Federation on one side, Cornucopia on the other. Maybe they'll leave a small asteroid for the UN. Pallas 2 or something.
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DatonKallandor posted:Which is precisely why the UN should nuke the shipyard and blame you. But whatever, in little bit it'll be the two Superpowers trying to conquer the Galaxy - Federation on one side, Cornucopia on the other. Maybe they'll leave a small asteroid for the UN. Pallas 2 or something. You are a self-parody.
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So in terms of Aurora mechanics, is it at all possible to meet the Species the game tagged the Ruins with? Was it even the game that tagged the Ruins Belnar or was that GM edited? It's be a real shame if the Belnar could never show up.
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DatonKallandor posted:So in terms of Aurora mechanics, is it at all possible to meet the Species the game tagged the Ruins with? Was it even the game that tagged the Ruins Belnar or was that GM edited? From the LP wiki: The wiki posted:One unequivocable facts is that 36.4 ± 0.3 million years ago, a spacefaring race established an outpost on Mars. So yeah. Unlikely that they'd still be around.
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Ok, next crisis.
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quote:Just wanted to note that I went ahead and fixed this. The shipyard report now shows completion dates for activities and tasks. Note that it will be wrong for tasks if you are building commercial ships in a military shipyard for some reason. The report generator assumes ships built at military yards are flagged as military. Dynamically determining whether a ship design is commercial or military is more work than I felt like putting in tonight, and it won't be a problem until that scenario arises.
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FROM: Grand Principle TildeATH TO: UNEC SUBJECT: Various Issues It has come to my attention that the perfectly legal and legitimate use of our sovereignty in the production and development of a military shipyard has caused some concern among the leadership of the United Nations. I can assure you that any ships we develop are produced solely for the defense of Cornucopiate Assets and not for aggressive purposes. I would also note that, in the event of the discovery of a common enemy, the existence of a small and efficient Cornucopian Defense Force would prove beneficial to all humanity. However, given the current climate, we can forego development of our shipbuilding capacities as well as the building of any new vessels, but to do so will put 1 million Cornucopians out of work, as well as render our investment in such an expensive resource wasted for the foreseeable future. This would make the act extremely unpopular and only possible if a series of development aid could be provided to support those out-of-work citizens. As we have noted, currency is a real necessity, but we also need mercassium and neutronium. While we have what we consider modest stockpiles of both, these seem to be the most critical minerals in our emerging industries. If the United Nations would be willing to hand over a suitable asteroid with such materials, or otherwise provide us with the means to develop them ourselves, this would be equally suitable to direct aid. Second, there is the legal question of the rights to the techniques and processes outlined in the advanced research methods that were recently sent as part of the deal to research a better DSTS. Given the concern expressed in this situation, Cornucopia is happy to cancel the deal, return the transferred funds, as well as delete and otherwise ensure that the advanced research methods are not available to Cornucopia scientists. We have already cancelled Dr. Barrelfox's entry exams and paperwork in the expectation that this will be the course we follow in this endeavor. As far as being a signatory to the various documents ensuring the rights of human beings, our member states are already party to these agreements. As the supranational guiding organization, it is our thought that the focus should be on devices ensuring rights and privileges beyond those conceived of during our gestation on Terra. Which is why Cornucopia is proud to introduce the Universal Declaration of Sapient's Rights, and request that FEAN and UN both enter into formal agreement ensuring that non-human sapients will be afforded all the opportunities we afford to each other. Finally, I am extremely surprised, given the urgency with regard to the issue of the Medved finishing its tooling, that I have received no response on that front, and now bring it to the attention of the entire council.
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Aug 11, 2013 16:44
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Can I vote for blowing up that spaceport based entirely on this being fairly annoying to read? I'm sure someone can quote some historical basis for using grammar unpleasantness as casus belli.
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Aug 12, 2013 00:48
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Check the first Roman empire.
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Revenant Threshold posted:Can I vote for blowing up that spaceport based entirely on this being fairly annoying to read?
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