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Moola posted:heres another really bad post Here's another: gas thread ban op.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Holy poo poo this is so stupid hahahaha lame - men of 21st century USA 
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Oct 15, 2015 13:49
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There are other forms of communication than spoken language. Body language and context are pretty important too. I mean, the whole idea hinges on the fact that body language and context can communicate a no, so why can't it also communicate a yes?
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Oct 15, 2015 13:49
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SHISHKABOB posted:Yes but they are ok with the converse: if someone doesn't say yes, then you should continue. I think you unreasonably assume that men are always the initiators of sexual escalation. I've been touched sexually by women without my consent before, and I've been in sexual situations with women who escalated things without asking my consent first. I have even had sex where I was drunk and my partner was not. I do not consider myself to have been sexually assaulted. Are you telling me I have been?
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Oct 15, 2015 13:50
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SHISHKABOB posted:Holy poo poo this is so stupid hahahaha lame - men of 21st century USA I know "on paper" it seems silly to deride this but should you ever actually touch a woman in a context besides a nurse giving you a sponge bath it's going to start to make sense
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Oct 15, 2015 13:50
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Roy posted:There are other forms of communication than spoken language. Body language and context are pretty important too. 
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Oct 15, 2015 13:51
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SHISHKABOB posted:Here's another you called it
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Oct 15, 2015 13:51
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yeah because kids are well known for listening to what their parents and teachers tell them to do and following all their rules and instructions we grew up with nancy regan constantly telling us not to do drugs, nobody I knew ever did a drug
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Oct 15, 2015 13:51
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lmbo @ mute and or deaf people
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Oct 15, 2015 13:51
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quote:Have fun being accused of rape for forgetting to get permission to kiss her on the navel when she only wanted you to go as low as her ribcage. Like look at this. The example you give portrays women as manipulative, petty, malicious and arbitrary.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:52
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SHISHKABOB posted:Like look at this. The example you give portrays women as manipulative, petty, malicious and arbitrary. I'm going to cut your head off as well as his
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Oct 15, 2015 13:52
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Lmao they had a thing about this on NPR and there is an actual phone app now where like you both touch phones and then it asks you if you want to have sex and both of you say yes I consent and it records it, loving millennial s man hahahahaha
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Oct 15, 2015 13:52
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Applewhite posted:I think you unreasonably assume that men are always the initiators of sexual escalation. I've been touched sexually by women without my consent before, and I've been in sexual situations with women who escalated things without asking my consent first. I have even had sex where I was drunk and my partner was not. I do not consider myself to have been sexually assaulted. Are you telling me I have been? The privileged cannot be oppressed hth
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Oct 15, 2015 13:54
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Applewhite posted:I think you unreasonably assume that men are always the initiators of sexual escalation. I've been touched sexually by women without my consent before, and I've been in sexual situations with women who escalated things without asking my consent first. I have even had sex where I was drunk and my partner was not. I do not consider myself to have been sexually assaulted. Are you telling me I have been? you were raped Applewhite
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Oct 15, 2015 13:54
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This isn't a problem with duct tape and a very specific cord only used for boat anchors that led detectives to my door.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:55
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Roy posted:There are other forms of communication than spoken language. Body language and context are pretty important too. This is entirely true. The issue is that men are trained and conditioned by our culture to have a bias towards interpreting these communications as positive more often than not. Like here's a crazy example. You start to put your hand down his pants, you look at him, he nods, and wow we have consent. Jeez that sucked.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:55
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Well I suppose there's something to consenting to every bit of physical escalation anyone remember Azure Horizon, who bragged about being such an amazingly hot gay dude that he could get his straight friends to have sex with him after he got them blackout drunk and dragged them back to his place and it took people pointing this out long after the fact for him to get perma'd for being a rapist
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Oct 15, 2015 13:55
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Nooner posted:Lmao they had a thing about this on NPR and there is an actual phone app now where like you both touch phones and then it asks you if you want to have sex and both of you say yes I consent and it records it, loving millennial s man hahahahaha This is stupid as hell.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:56
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SHISHKABOB posted:You start to put your hand down his pants, you look at him, he nods, and wow we have consent. Jeez that sucked. lmao
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Oct 15, 2015 13:56
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Applewhite posted:I think you unreasonably assume that men are always the initiators of sexual escalation. I've been touched sexually by women without my consent before, and I've been in sexual situations with women who escalated things without asking my consent first. I have even had sex where I was drunk and my partner was not. I do not consider myself to have been sexually assaulted. Are you telling me I have been? we've all been to the airport applewhite
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Oct 15, 2015 13:56
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If you're confused by the concept of enthusiastic consent you have definitely never given a woman an orgasm.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:57
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SHISHKABOB posted:Like look at this. The example you give portrays women as manipulative, petty, malicious and arbitrary. I think you're looking for reasons to take offense, and are exactly the sort of person I'm concerned will abuse the system.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:57
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Seems like a good idea to establish some sort of verbal consent as the norm, and it's pretty hard to complain about anything in that article. Of course in implementation it will probably morph into the weirdest possible version with all sorts of strange misinterpretations and redefinitions, but certainly still worth trying. Anyway, whatever kinks there are now will surely be worked out when some enterprising silicon valley social-entrepreneur creates a 'consent app' of some sort. You could even link it with online dating websites, make it so that you can choose to only be presented with people who have a certain number of consent endorsements.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:58
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Applewhite posted:I think you're looking for reasons to take offense, and are exactly the sort of person I'm concerned will abuse the system. Nah I think your example is pretty common when it comes to men worrying about sex.
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Oct 15, 2015 13:59
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i learned beta from ms Zaloom
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Oct 15, 2015 13:59
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Nooner posted:Lmao they had a thing about this on NPR and there is an actual phone app now where like you both touch phones and then it asks you if you want to have sex and both of you say yes I consent and it records it, loving millennial s man hahahahaha Lol I wrote my post before reading this, thinking i was sketching out some sort of black mirror-esque speculative near future sci-fi.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:00
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Moon Atari posted:Seems like a good idea to establish some sort of verbal consent as the norm, and it's pretty hard to complain about anything in that article. Of course in implementation it will probably morph into the weirdest possible version with all sorts of strange misinterpretations and redefinitions, but certainly still worth trying. It's not like relationships when you're in the loving tenth grade aren't already awkward and weird. But it's just trying to teach kids to get consent before they do poo poo to another person.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:01
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This is going to be the reason we start mass-producing sexbots and also the reason why 100 years later the robots kill us for all the rape once they achieve sentience. Thanks for nothing womyn
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Oct 15, 2015 14:01
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SHISHKABOB posted:This is entirely true. The issue is that men are trained and conditioned by our culture to have a bias towards interpreting these communications as positive more often than not. While true, women are taught to be scared of saying no, even when there is no danger present. Maybe we should classes in school in which women are taught to say no to sexual advances from actors.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:01
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:If you're confused by the concept of enthusiastic consent you have definitely never given a woman an orgasm.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:02
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:If you're confused by the concept of enthusiastic consent you have definitely never given a woman an orgasm. They're not talking about "enthusiastic consent" in the sense that you touch your partner's rear end and they're all "ohh yeah that feels good" or "stop it." They're talking about stopping the sex act and getting them to say the words "yes I want you to touch my rear end" before you do. And I think that is stupid. Instead of teaching people to treat every sexual interaction like some kind of legal negotiation, maybe we should be reinforcing the idea that it's safe and okay to say "no" and that we must be mature enough to hear and accept "no" from our partners.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:02
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social vegan posted:10 minutes? lol
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Oct 15, 2015 14:02
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corpuscollossus posted:hey, do you mind if i stick my hand under your bra? iirc dave chappelle did like this exact bit in one of his standup specials over a decade ago
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Oct 15, 2015 14:02
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Moon Atari posted:Seems like a good idea to establish some sort of verbal consent as the norm, and it's pretty hard to complain about anything in that article. Expecting people to pause at regular intervals to get verbal consent is not reasonable. It's not how sex goes.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:03
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corpuscollossus posted:Expecting people to pause at regular intervals to get verbal consent is not reasonable. It's not how sex goes. Literally my only complaint.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:05
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corpuscollossus posted:Expecting people to pause at regular intervals to get verbal consent is not reasonable. It's not how sex goes. It is for bitter inescure 40 year old women
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Oct 15, 2015 14:05
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corpuscollossus posted:Expecting people to pause at regular intervals to get verbal consent is not reasonable. It's not how sex goes. Look at this 20th Century rapist
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Oct 15, 2015 14:07
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Applewhite posted:They're not talking about "enthusiastic consent" in the sense that you touch your partner's rear end and they're all "ohh yeah that feels good" or "stop it." They're talking about stopping the sex act and getting them to say the words "yes I want you to touch my rear end" before you do. That's not anything like what should be. Crazy high school health teachers from SF will say it is, but normal human beings with the capability to communicate and understand communications aren't going to do poo poo like that. The kid is right: stopping every ten minutes and getting a yes is stupid as gently caress. But you shouldn't ridicule the idea of actively seeking consent.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:08
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Roy posted:It is for bitter inescure 40 year old women My goondolences
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Nooner posted:Lmao they had a thing about this on NPR and there is an actual phone app now where like you both touch phones and then it asks you if you want to have sex and both of you say yes I consent and it records it, loving millennial s man hahahahaha swiping left
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