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Grenrow posted:I love all of the statues of William Wallace that just copy the movie. Celebrate your nation by commemorating the time an Australian wiped his rear end with your history in order to make a movie that's mostly about Mel Gibson fellating himself. That statue was repeatedly vandalised, to the point where the council actually gave it back to the sculptor, because they couldn't afford to keep repairing it.
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Dunkirk! Time to post this again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=?QijbOCvunfU
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lenoon posted:Dunkirk! Time to post this again: "This video does not exist"
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You need to remove one \ from the address. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QijbOCvunfU
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I mean, are people saying that the evacuation should've prioritised materiel over manpower? Because that's really the only two alternatives. Germany steamrollered Europe; the Dunkirk evacuation was one of the few things that was going as right as it could. EDIT: Or is it "The dunkirk evacuation should've ended with the entire british isles sobbing in humiliation"? Because losing didn't seem to do that to anyone. Look at how many resistance movements existed across Europe in the same period, and then consider that the UK had actual armies and industry to support them still. spectralent fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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BEF should have left all their equipment back home so they wouldn't have lost them and the evacuation would have been easier to accomplish.
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Fo3 posted:Carrots improving your night vision was a saying born in WW2 through propaganda to explain away British radar development improving the RAF performance finding German aircraft. I've also read somewhere that the germans tryed to reverse-engineer that through a very specific diet loaded with vitamin A supplements, and actually saw some success with that. But supposedly the improvement in night vision was fairly minor, and it would quickly be lost if the diet was interrupted in some way. Though honestly at this point I have no idea whether that was actually factual, or just another story building upon that myth. 
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I mean, I think the evacuation is cool because there's a bunch of dudes surrounded in a french town on the coast who get rescued thanks in part to some dudes in their fishing boats and yachts etc. It's still clearly a military disaster by any measure, but that doesn't mean they didn't pull off something pretty cool.
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Fangz posted:What are the advantages and disadvantages of the helmets the different countries used? It seemed like it would have been very straightforward to just copy each others' designs, so why didn't they converge on a single design? Well I guess one significant thing is that if you make your helmets look exactly like the enemy helmets you risk friendly fire. You can definitely tell the difference between whether it's a Brit poking his head up or a German and that's probably a good thing on the whole. I seem to remember the Brits went with the big brim for the same reason a kettle helmet has it. You can duck your head to cover more of your face and also it helps deflect incoming fire up and over the head.
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Perestroika posted:I've also read somewhere that the germans tryed to reverse-engineer that through a very specific diet loaded with vitamin A supplements, and actually saw some success with that. But supposedly the improvement in night vision was fairly minor, and it would quickly be lost if the diet was interrupted in some way. I'd highly doubt it; vitamin A was only synthesised in the late 40s, and excessive consumption of vitamin A (but not carotenoids, which have to be converted and therefore any build up turns into relatively harmless carotenosis) can cause, among other things, blurry vision, but also other stuff that'd be bad for pilots like osteoporosis and increased pressure in the skull (always fun if you want to do high-G turns).
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Nenonen posted:You need to remove one \ from the address. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORdHkbdEYz0 This trailer in theaters was loving amazing, btw. JFC nobody has the extended trailer/teaser from Rogue One? That thing was amazing. The flying scenes were great and it built up the tension spectacularly. Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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OwlFancier posted:Well I guess one significant thing is that if you make your helmets look exactly like the enemy helmets you risk friendly fire. Big factor is that the British helmet was much easier to manufacture then the German design since you pretty much just press an indentation in a flat piece of steel, which makes sense since industry would have been stretched to its limit during that 1915 period when everyone remembers that helmets exist and might be a good idea. It came at the expense of the extra protection on the back and sides of the head.
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But drat did the Germns nail down the helmet thing or what
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JcDent posted:But drat did the Germns nail down the helmet thing or what Why not use a chin strap like everyone else?
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Perestroika posted:I've also read somewhere that the germans tryed to reverse-engineer that through a very specific diet loaded with vitamin A supplements, and actually saw some success with that. But supposedly the improvement in night vision was fairly minor, and it would quickly be lost if the diet was interrupted in some way. Vitamin A also builds up in fatty tissue and is one of the most toxic vitamins to overdose on so checks out that it would be something the Nazis would try
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P-Mack posted:Big factor is that the British helmet was much easier to manufacture then the German design since you pretty much just press an indentation in a flat piece of steel, which makes sense since industry would have been stretched to its limit during that 1915 period when everyone remembers that helmets exist and might be a good idea. It came at the expense of the extra protection on the back and sides of the head. Was it The Great War series or something where they were talking about different WW1 helmets, with how the German one was still relatively simple to make (like 3 separate presses by a machine to shape it) but then the French helmet is ludicrously complicated and takes like 15 presses or something.
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You can definitely finish WW1 with .5 helmet button presses.
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my dad posted:I thought the big deal about Thermopilae was that it kept the Greek coalition from falling apart because it was a big glowing "Yes, we really will fight to the bitter end for your sake" sign from one of the two major coalition leaders. Was I misinformed? From a bit back, but for modern day people Thermopalye is a big deal because a bunch of Helenophile brits rubbed themselves raw over it while thinking about ~~duty~~ and ~~sacrifice for the greater good~~, conveniently against a horde of Asiatics. Nenonen posted:Why not use a chin strap like everyone else? Wait, what? The stahlhelm has a chinstrap.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Wait, what? The stahlhelm has a chinstrap. Joke.
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Koramei posted:the French helmet is ludicrously complicated and takes like 15 presses or something. Whoever said that is either full of poo poo or misrepresenting the situation because the Adrian helmet was cheap and light and it was relatively easy for them to poo poo out a few million, even though it's a more complex design than the Brodie battle bowler.
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IIRC the Stahlhelm takes 18 different runs at the pressing dies, plus a couple of smaller fiddly things like rolling the edge and putting the fasteners for the liner on. Raw steps isn't the be all and end all of industrial design. If the process lets you get through them quickly you can have 1000 steps and still produce a fuckton a day.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:The Russians actually had jet aircraft in development during WW2, with at least one example having been flown quite early in the war. Unfortunately, the BI-1 would never make it into production due to teething problems and the death of at least one test pilot. No known examples of the BI-1 exist, afaik. Rolls Royce rather naively sold them samples in the expectation of a trade deal, it wasn't intended as a freebie. Blame capitalism not the British government being secret Stalinists in this case.
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OwlFancier posted:Well I guess one significant thing is that if you make your helmets look exactly like the enemy helmets you risk friendly fire. edit: hi p-mack
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feedmegin posted:Rolls Royce rather naively sold them samples in the expectation of a trade deal, it wasn't intended as a freebie. Blame capitalism not the British government being secret Stalinists in this case. No, it was the British government being *overt* Stalinists. The request for engines came from Soviet engineers, to Stalin, who sent a delegation to England and asked Stafford Cripps for some. Stafford Cripps was an open socialist, he'd previously been expelled from the *Labour* party for being too much of a leftist. There was nothing secret about his Marxism at all and he personally arranged and approved the engine deal.
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Cyrano4747 posted:From a bit back, but for modern day people Thermopalye is a big deal because a bunch of Helenophile brits rubbed themselves raw over it while thinking about ~~duty~~ and ~~sacrifice for the greater good~~
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Another Russian jet thing. The British actually gave the Russians several Rolls-Royce Nene engines. These were tested, reverse engineered, modified, and would eventually be put into the MiG-15. I doubt that last part. If they hadn't been given the engines, Soviet espionage efforts probably would have obtained a complete set of plans. I'd always heard about how effective they were at stealing Allied atomic secrets during the war, but holy gently caress when you actually read about it the level of penetration was just absurd. Nearly complete plans of the bombs themselves, complete reports from Los Alamos, lessons learned from reactor operations, and even a sample of U233. Trin Tragula posted:the Brodie battle bowler. holy poo poo that's such a good name
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Raenir Salazar posted:Page 262! When Heinkel showed off the first functioning jet to Ernst Udet, RnD head of the Reich Air Ministry, the only thing that really impressed him was that you could run it off of kerosene (IE oil made from coal.)
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Kemper Boyd posted:Åke Tott flew something like that as his standard. HEY GAL posted:it was also a consistent theme for every company flag in his regiment, because the one thing these people liked more than duelling one another and getting drunk is horrible vexilology/heraldry puns hah, i hadn't realized it was a pun before
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So the other night I finished Robert Forczyk's 2nd book about tank warfare on the eastern front "Red Steamroller". It's just downright amazing how the tables turn in the later part of the war. It's also really amazing to go from "the 3rd TA (300 tanks) was stopped by heersgruppe xyz (40 tanks) in the earlier years, to when Bagration happened and it's just the Soviets  'ing the gently caress out of entire armies.The book is really good at hammering home how "x numbers of y tanks" is such a woefully insufficient way to look at the history. So many fuckups are caused on both sides due to a lack of artillery, engineers, infantry or planning despite whatever quality or quantity of tanks are on hand. It also casts the correct amount of shade on certain vehicles  Aside from seemingly constant Panther engine fires:quote:On 5 August, the reconstituted s.Pz.Abt.501 was sent to spearhead another counter-attack with 45 of the new Tiger II tanks. This was the combat debut of this new weapon on the Eastern Front and it was a disaster. Forced to make a 50km road march from the rail head to the front, 37 of 45 Tiger IIs broke down due to faulty final drives. Might not have anything new for tank-chat regulars, but it's an excellent book for anyone looking for a gift.
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Hogge Wild posted:hah, i hadn't realized it was a pun before
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Fangz posted:What are the advantages and disadvantages of the helmets the different countries used? It seemed like it would have been very straightforward to just copy each others' designs, so why didn't they converge on a single design? OwlFancier posted:Well I guess one significant thing is that if you make your helmets look exactly like the enemy helmets you risk friendly fire. The Brody helmet was based on the medieval kettle hat:  And the Stahlhelm was based on the sallet helm:  And the while the jerry helmet was superior, no battles were won by helmets. I'm not a specialist, but imo the differencies between the helmets was bigger than the differerencies between the rifles that the Great War combatants used.
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Up to a point. French rifles were really, really bad in WW1. Probably not bad enough to have mad that measurable a difference in a war decided by artillery and attrition, but wow they were crap.
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If there isn't a commando themed comic called BRITISH BRODIE BATTLE BOWLER BROTHERS I will be so pissed. But yeah, it is almost a tradition for the British Army to just get away from total campaign/war ruining disaster by the skin of their teeth via a fleet. At least the BEF and fragmented French/Belgian forces had some motorisation now and didn't have to force march themselves to their departure point. Over half the British soldiers returning from the army that departed from Corunna during the Napoleonic Wars were so physically wrecked by the winter conditions, physical trauma of their forced march and the post traumatic stress disorder they had to be discharged. Then a huge section of the men who seemed healthy enough to keep on going got really loving sick being awkwardly stationed in the most diseased island swamp of the Netherlands. Then dear god the Crimean War.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Up to a point. French rifles were really, really bad in WW1. Probably not bad enough to have mad that measurable a difference in a war decided by artillery and attrition, but wow they were crap. I thoroughly enjoy the juxtaposition to 1870 where French rifles were amazing and French artillery was garbage. Ice Fist posted:I mean, I think the evacuation is cool because there's a bunch of dudes surrounded in a french town on the coast who get rescued thanks in part to some dudes in their fishing boats and yachts etc. Don't forget 40,000 French guys holed up in Lille and died slowly to make the whole thing possible. I will be a little annoyed if the movie is so Anglophile that we never get a look at the French.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I thoroughly enjoy the juxtaposition to 1870 where French rifles were amazing and French artillery was garbage. French artillery in 1914 was still lacking in some respects. I forget the exact details, but the tl;dr is that they went really deep on having lots of light and mid-sized guns which left them getting badly out ranged in some areas, especially in the early battles on the frontier when they were actually on the offense. edit: I mean, the 75 was a great gun, but that doesn't help when you're assaulting and your guns don't have the throw to hit their rear positions with their arty.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Up to a point. French rifles were really, really bad in WW1. Probably not bad enough to have mad that measurable a difference in a war decided by artillery and attrition, but wow they were crap. What made the French rifles so bad?
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Tias posted:Without the program, we wouldn't have pop supergroup Abba! Frida Lyngstad was born in an SS Lebenborn creche that recruited from Sweden and Norway I have not had my mind blown like this in quite some time. I literally need to take some time to process this.
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Fo3 posted:Like the best propaganda, there is some truth in it. The Germans knew about the radars, but vitamin A does help eyesight. But very little of vitamin A that can be absorbed comes from carrots in the form of beta carotene Specifically, a lack of vitamin A can cause night blindness. But once you reach your dietary requirement additional vitamin A won't offer any improvement.
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