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KettleWL posted:Is it that the team can't negotiate with another city/make stadium arrangements until 2020, or that they can't physically move until 2020? Because really, it's not inconceivable for a new owner to buy the team in late 2014-mid 2015, remain quiet in Buffalo for a year or two, then spend 2017 looking at new destinations/using the threat of relocation to negotiate a new stadium (And large return on their investment) from the city, then spend the last ~2 years letting the stadium be built. Maybe these reads as a little convoluted, but an (at most) 5 year wait for a huge return on your investment really isn't a big deal, and the kinds of people capable of purchasing NFL franchises would be able to sit tight for those 5 years. It's the latter of the bolded. The trust isn't likely to sell to owners who express interest in moving it, though. On top of that, the stadium likely will be built by 2020, especially if it's in Niagara Falls, and at that point any owner looking to move it would be trapped further by that stadium. It's not that relocation can't happen, it's just that based upon the situation I think it's incredibly unlikely. As much as the lease was derided at the time, it ended up being the perfect delay that makes it much more likely the team remains for Jacobs/Pegula/Golisano/Trump(  ) to take the plunge.Ralph knew what was coming for him and did Buffalo a final favor  .
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KettleWL posted:Is it that the team can't negotiate with another city/make stadium arrangements until 2020, or that they can't physically move until 2020? Because really, it's not inconceivable for a new owner to buy the team in late 2014-mid 2015, remain quiet in Buffalo for a year or two, then spend 2017 looking at new destinations/using the threat of relocation to negotiate a new stadium (And large return on their investment) from the city, then spend the last ~2 years letting the stadium be built. Maybe these reads as a little convoluted, but an (at most) 5 year wait for a huge return on your investment really isn't a big deal, and the kinds of people capable of purchasing NFL franchises would be able to sit tight for those 5 years. I'd also say that its kind of cute how much faith people have in the NFL to worry about things like tradition, or other normal people things like lease agreements. The NFL loves money and Toronto is almost certainly a bigger money maker than Buffalo, New York. The NFL will follow that money as best they can. I hope they don't move, but it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't in Buffalo at some point in the future.
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Schwack posted:I'd also say that its kind of cute how much faith people have in the NFL to worry about things like tradition, or other normal people things like lease agreements. The NFL loves money and Toronto is almost certainly a bigger money maker than Buffalo, New York. The NFL will follow that money as best they can. Again, it's not tradition, the NFL willingly signed off on a lease that pretty much legally binds them there for the near future. I'm sure they're not staunch supporters but they're not raring to let them loose. Incidentally there's also murkiness as to whether or not the league would have to give Buffalo first chance at an expansion team like they did with Cleveland way back from the merger agreement.
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Schwack posted:I'd also say that its kind of cute how much faith people have in the NFL to worry about things like tradition, or other normal people things like lease agreements. The NFL loves money and Toronto is almost certainly a bigger money maker than Buffalo, New York. The NFL will follow that money as best they can. lol. Almost certainly. YOu can go ahead and put certainly. It's the 4th largest city in North America and is begging for an NFL team. I love that city and everything about it, and I can tell you that it'd absolutely sell out games if they were 1) trying and 2) named something Toronto. That city is so self absorbed (again, IMO, rightfully so) that they will love anything in the area that makes them face off against other cities.
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KettleWL posted:Is it that the team can't negotiate with another city/make stadium arrangements until 2020, or that they can't physically move until 2020? Because really, it's not inconceivable for a new owner to buy the team in late 2014-mid 2015, remain quiet in Buffalo for a year or two, then spend 2017 looking at new destinations/using the threat of relocation to negotiate a new stadium (And large return on their investment) from the city, then spend the last ~2 years letting the stadium be built. Maybe these reads as a little convoluted, but an (at most) 5 year wait for a huge return on your investment really isn't a big deal, and the kinds of people capable of purchasing NFL franchises would be able to sit tight for those 5 years. From SI quote:On Wednesday, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell spoke to the media about the future of the Buffalo Bills following the passing of team owner and founder Ralph Wilson. Less than a day had passed since Wilson’s passing, so Goodell made it clear that he is not yet looking ahead to the team’s future ownership and location.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:lol. Almost certainly. YOu can go ahead and put certainly. Toronto felt like a poor man's Sydney, without all the things that makes Sydney good (not much).
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TG-Chrono posted:Toronto felt like a poor man's Sydney, without all the things that makes Sydney good (not much). Having been to both (lived in one, spent 2 weeks in the other) I have to ask you what the gently caress you're smoking but different strokes, I suppose. Minus the stupid winter it's a dream world. Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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AAA DOLFAN posted:It's the 4th largest city in North America and is begging for an NFL team. I love that city and everything about it, and I can tell you that it'd absolutely sell out games if they were 1) trying and 2) named something Toronto. Do you believe they're trying now/the last decade out of curiosity? I pretty much do, but I might have missed them cheaping out on a bunch of things rather than sticking with old guys who aren't in touch anymore.
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I like Toronto as a city, full stop. That said, I'm not sure how well the team would do just based on being a team. City went fair-weather on the Marlies of all teams. The NFL of course is its own juggernaut and it remains to be seen how a team will do there. I'll just be incredibly surprised if it's the Bills.
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Apr 11, 2014 06:22
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Just curious, would it be possible for the Bills to be bought by somebody in the next year or two who announces the team will move in 2020? A type of sale-now, relocate-later deal? I ask because I'm not sure if deals like that are forbidden by the terms of the lease or not.
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Sweeney Tom posted:Just curious, would it be possible for the Bills to be bought by somebody in the next year or two who announces the team will move in 2020? A type of sale-now, relocate-later deal? I ask because I'm not sure if deals like that are forbidden by the terms of the lease or not. Yes, but it's really unlikely that it would be sold to someone who might do that in the first place given the amount of Buffalo-friendly billionaires who have said they'd do something about it if it was the last option to prevent relocation.
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Looking at a map, I see that Toronto is only around a 90 minute drive from Buffalo anyway. If people from Toronto really want to see a live game it seems like that kind of drive and the anal probing from border security isn't that much of a hardship. Or maybe they could just split the difference, build a stadium in Hamilton, and call them the Toronto Buffalo Bills.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:lol. Almost certainly. YOu can go ahead and put certainly. Well the first and third largest North American cities also don't have NFL teams.
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Apr 11, 2014 07:13
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Toronto is a loving rad city for food. Everything else too, but especially food
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Does Toronto not have a CFL team? Also remember what happened the last time an american sport expanded to Canadia (Expos).
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effectual posted:Does Toronto not have a CFL team? Also remember what happened the last time an american sport expanded to Canadia (Expos). Sure, if you choose to ignore the Raptors. And the CFL team in Toronto is the Argonauts. They had Cleo Lemon once.
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effectual posted:Does Toronto not have a CFL team? They do, they're called the Argonauts, and Rob Ford: Super Crackhead is a huge fan.   quote:Also remember what happened the last time an american sport expanded to Canadia (Expos). But the Blue Jays directly contradict this? 
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Wiki tells me the Argonauts are the oldest professional sports team in North America still using their original name, so that's something. The logo they used in the 70s and 80s is kind of cool too:
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Grittybeard posted:Do you believe they're trying now/the last decade out of curiosity? I pretty much do, but I might have missed them cheaping out on a bunch of things rather than sticking with old guys who aren't in touch anymore. I meant the team was trying. My bad. The raptors get full support even when they suck hard EXCEPT when they were ranking for lottery position a few years back. The fans didn't like that and let them know. And I really can't express how big a difference it is being in toronto vs the two hour drive to buffalo. Most people in toronto proper don't have cars plus the "toronto" in the name part really is important
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I will be surprised if any team besides STL, SD, Oackland or maaaaaybe Tampa moves. STL is my bet for LA.
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Toronto would be able to support a fanbase far better than Jacksonville, Minneapolis, Buffalo, Phoenix, and hell, probably better than a bunch of other southern teams. It's a huge city that's well set up. The Expos were a different story because 1. it's baseball and 2. who thought giving a bunch of francophones a baseball team was a good idea?
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The blue jays are crazy popular in toronto though. They'll even support boring rear end sports! Taxes would suck for players sometimes though. In Miami dolphins news they haven't had a single top tier tackle in to visit, and they just signed a nobody receiver for minimum Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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Josh Freeman visiting the Giants.
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SporkOfTruth posted:They do, they're called the Argonauts, and Rob Ford: Super Crackhead is a huge fan. You're on the offensive line? You ARE the offensive line
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Grittybeard posted:Wiki tells me the Argonauts are the oldest professional sports team in North America still using their original name, so that's something. The logo they used in the 70s and 80s is kind of cool too: I was about to say that this couldn't possibly be true, because the Phillies have been using their name since 1883, but then I looked it up. Wow, the Argonauts are old. It would be kind of cool if there were a Toronto NFL team, but all games there were played using CFL rules, creating an interleague-on-steroids system. E: that logo owns Farchanter fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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davecrazy posted:Josh Freeman visiting the Giants. I hope someone picks him up. He deserves a chance to at least be a backup somewhere. He's not as disastrous as last year made him out to be.
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Eifert Posting posted:I will be surprised if any team besides STL, SD, Oackland or maaaaaybe Tampa moves. STL is my bet for LA. Toronto is going to get a team before Portland, San Antonio, and probably LA. SD to San Antonio, STL to LA, comedy Portland Raider Option.... Buffalo is still the best option unless you're wagering on Glazer (never do this)
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davecrazy posted:Josh Freeman visiting the Giants. Because they didnt get a good enough look during that atrocious MNF display?
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Josh Freeman just needs more time, better weapons, a change of scenery, and a new alarm clock. Then we can finally see his realized potential.
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Maybe if we let him carry a gun onto the field he'd play better
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To be fair wasn't he in town for only like 4 days when Minnesota threw him in? Even Peyton would've looked like poo poo.
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Apr 11, 2014 17:16
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He's a really, really bad quarterback but nobody deserves having to deal with Greg Schiano so I wish him the best.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:He's a really, really bad quarterback but nobody deserves having to deal with Greg Schiano so I wish him the best. I don't think he is. Schiano ran him out of town and the Vikings completely hosed him over. That was a travesty of a game. He'd be by and away the best backup QB in football wherever he signs.
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Doltos posted:I don't think he is. Schiano ran him out of town and the Vikings completely hosed him over. That was a travesty of a game. I wouldn't go that far, but he's definitely better than someone like Orlovsky, Weeden or Gabbert. He's probably top 5-10 for backups. edit; He also already has familiarity with the Giants scheme and system so that might actually be a great landing spot for him. Chicago would be the other great spot for him because of Trestman.
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John Brown posted:To be fair wasn't he in town for only like 4 days when Minnesota threw him in? Even Peyton would've looked like poo poo. He was really bad before that too. He had like one kinda okay year and has been lovely otherwise.
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Lol that statement made me laugh. Freeman is complete poo poo. Let's stop making excuses for him. Best backup is Kirk Cousins and you can have him for a 3rd round pick.
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MourningView posted:He was really bad before that too. He had like one kinda okay year and has been lovely otherwise. He had one good year and one okay year. 
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Kirk Cousins sucks so bad. They were really dumb to actually run him back out there and let the rest of the league figure that out instead of just riding that one Browns game and trying to trick someone into giving way too much up for him.
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Before we get into a multi-page argument about who the best backup QB is remember that who gives a poo poo about who the best backup QB is.
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