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this might be the best ad ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8KAaf45g5U
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farmer s are the backbone of the economy but also they cant pay tax or they will go bankrupt
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Nov 5, 2014 01:24
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I propose that for the 40-80 people they say are linked to ISIS in NZ we don't stop them from going and joining them. In fact for less than the proposed funding increase for the SIS we could give each of them a brand new (GCSB approved) smartphone as a farewell gift.
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Nov 5, 2014 01:48
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One hell of a 5h of November news huh Haven't seen the legal Bill yet for these changes but it sets a precedent and a flexible legal interpretation will be they could institute 48 hour warrantless surveillance on however many individuals deemed necessary to effect surveillance on that one apparent threat/person - given this almost certainly will include online communications - it really is just too close to enabling a whole internet backbone tap of New Zealand whenever anything is 'urgent'. This would likely - as it is in the USA - be described as simply searching for terrorist selectors among the sea rather than now capturing/searching the whole. But anyways - tinfoil hats away - I just can't feel anything about this kind of thing anymore. It sucks. The main underlying thing about all this Ive found besides general 'national security' type people is that older people, even ones skeptical about this stuff, just simply don't "get it" when it comes to the scale of surveillance trends and technologies. Surveillance was expensive in their day and restricted to quite suspect people who thus got followed around in cars and things. Now its cheaper than ever, almost every aspect of our lives are in digital databases and we carry around tracking devices with potentially always on microphones en masse. That poo poo NEEDS more real safeguards than ever.
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Nov 5, 2014 02:01
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I just hope that the incoming 2032 Labour government starts an extensive realignment of our government with the values we espouse on the world stage and our international human rights commitments.
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Nov 5, 2014 02:35
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Nov 5, 2014 08:44
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the nats accidentally voted against their own call to end debate on sue moroney's ppl bill lmao
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Nov 5, 2014 08:53
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Hey guys remember about four years ago Key stood up on a stage in front of the cameras with the families of the Pike River victims and pledged the government would do whatever it takes to recover the bodies? Key doesn't.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:58
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Nov 6, 2014 05:21
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Nov 6, 2014 05:54
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This is one of ten 48 hour auctions for a genuine signed Whaleoil Polo shirt, just like Cameron Slater wears when he goes out or appears on TV. This is a one-off auction to raise funds. For the back story, visit Whaleoil and click on "What's Hot". Check the auction images for sizing information. Once you've won the auction, please contact us with your size and if you want the polo signed or not. Signed shirts may not be wash-proof. If you intend to wear the shirt (and wash it), the signature will come off. Cam will consider signing your shirt with a personal message. It is an all black polo with black collar and cuffs, it has a course poly weave and a white double stitch accent on the top shoulder from the collar to the cuff. There is no "buy now" - please follow the auction process. There are 10 shirts up, and no more will be auctioned after these are gone. Shirts are only worn by staff and close friends - this is not a retail item. After this auction, these will never be offered to the public again. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=5253047
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Nov 6, 2014 05:58
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i hope that they have never been washed so I can clone whale and have an army of whales to run the country
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Nov 6, 2014 06:03
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how on earth are there so many bids on those
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Nov 6, 2014 06:08
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A human heart posted:how on earth are there so many bids on those >>rickngail (177 177 positive feedback) 5:41 pm, Thu 6 Nov >> We have bid on all the T shirts and been outbid on them all. Damm! ..and you say there is no more left.That's a shame. How about some caps and badges for us more financially challenged out there. All the best. >>Auctioneer >> At this stage, the objective is to help Cam Slater knock off his legal debts. There is talk about creating some more merchandise, but it won't be the same as this. One of the items we're thinking of is a SonovaMin cartoon T-Shirt. Keep a rough eye on the web site, hopefully some of this well occur in time for the Xmas shopping. >>rickngail (177 177 positive feedback) 5:50 pm, Thu 6 Nov >> That's great ... we will be looking out for that for sure. rickngail (177 177 positive feedback) 5:50 pm, Thu 6 Nov loving Rick N Gails out there
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Nov 6, 2014 06:14
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this is a cartoon by the 'sonovamin' mentioned 
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Nov 6, 2014 06:21
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A human heart posted:how on earth are there so many bids on those all those fanatic idiots who support people like that are willing to give away their life savings for some trash
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Nov 6, 2014 06:33
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Exclamation Marx posted:this is a cartoon by the 'sonovamin' mentioned i'm trying really hard to figure out those faces. i can only make winnie.
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Nov 6, 2014 06:53
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even his supporters draw key as a balding jewish stereotype
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Nov 6, 2014 07:02
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focal ischemia posted:i'm trying really hard to figure out those faces. i can only make winnie. I think the poodle front left is meant to be Cunliffe, not sure on the others, maybe Russel Norman for the green dog?
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Nov 6, 2014 07:33
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why doesn't someone on that trademe link that i haven't clicked on yet because I choose life ask the auctioneer why he doesn't just get a ex director of a failed finance company to pay his legal bills for him
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Nov 6, 2014 07:35
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:why doesn't someone on that trademe link that i haven't clicked on yet because I choose life ask the auctioneer why he doesn't just get a ex director of a failed finance company to pay his legal bills for him he's pretending to fundraise for a prosecution against Hager, instead of paying off his massive bills
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Nov 6, 2014 09:02
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I find it hard to give a gently caress about the Pike River bodies. Seems to me it would be A Bad Thing to send living people in to maybe die in order to retrieve dead people from underground in order to bury them somewhere else underground. The conditions that lead to Pike River? That's a different story.
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Nov 6, 2014 11:10
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slinkimalinki posted:I find it hard to give a gently caress about the Pike River bodies. Seems to me it would be A Bad Thing to send living people in to maybe die in order to retrieve dead people from underground in order to bury them somewhere else underground. Yep. Also, those "remains" they're after are pretty much vaporised, judging from the size of the explosions. I can't figure out why they feel the need to risk further life for a few chunks of burnt meat.
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Nov 6, 2014 19:40
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There are two reasons people wanted to get in there. First of all Key made the promise that the government would do everything it could to get the bodies out. But he often makes promises like that and returns to Wellington and backs out of them. Secondly there are still a huge number of unanswered questions about the disaster. What caused the explosion? Did anyone survive the initial blast? Was any of the safety equipment actually functional? Were the gas sensors functional or were they deliberately disabled? etc. A recovery team could investigate the actual mining area and may find some vital information to answer a few of those questions.
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Nov 6, 2014 20:29
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Plus http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/oia-request-reveals-pike-river-mine-safe-to-enter-2014092320
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Nov 6, 2014 20:30
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Varkk posted:Secondly there are still a huge number of unanswered questions about the disaster. What caused the explosion? Did anyone survive the initial blast? Was any of the safety equipment actually functional? Were the gas sensors functional or were they deliberately disabled? etc. A recovery team could investigate the actual mining area and may find some vital information to answer a few of those questions. These things are worth investigating. Recovering bodies certainly ain't.
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Nov 6, 2014 22:19
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I know nothing about mining in general. Can someone explain to me what the difficulty/danger actually is? My understanding was that the whole thing is/was/might be filled with gas. Can't they just drill a hole and suck the gas out with a big fan? Or is the danger a question of collapses/other geological pitfalls? In which case, aren't there people who's job it is to deal with poo poo like this using specialised equipment and poo poo? If no one knows what actually went wrong then surely it would be worth finding out?
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Nov 6, 2014 22:22
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I only have a vague understanding, so any actual mining people can butt in and tell me I'm wrong. The problem is, that with all that coal in the area, it can continually produce methane, ethane and other hydrocarbon gas. (This is why coal seam gas has been such a big thing in Aus for a while.). Some mines produce more, some less, but sounds like Pike produced a fair bit. You can't just suck it out once, as it continually builds up from the vast coal seams in the underground area. You can try and continually blow through from the outside, to dilute the methane, but what do you do this with? If air, all you are doing is adding more oxygen into an area that has potentially explosive methane levels. This is why the plan was to add huge quantities of nitrogen to the mine area. The nitrogen displaces any oxygen, so even if there is some buildup of methane, there can never be an explosive atmosphere, due to the lack of oxygen. The recovery team would then go in with breathing aparatus. A number of people thought this was going to be safe, but Solid Energy obviously thought it wasn't.
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Nov 6, 2014 23:00
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The coal seam may or may not still be smouldering. The idea was to flood the mine with nitrogen to extinguish that. Also the big explosions could have caused rockfalls or other instability in the tunnels. Basically until they can get something in there to look at what the conditions are like they don't know the full extent of the danger in there. Pike coal was apparently known to be very gassy so there is a lot of methane in trapped that seam which can be gassing out. It was supposed to be monitored, and the equipment was built with safety shutoffs so it couldn't operate if the methane approached a dangerous level. These shut offs may have been disabled because the inadequate ventilation and build up of gas meant they were being forced to stop work all the time and wait in a safety room until it cleared. This was affecting production and they felt they were far behind schedule.
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Nov 6, 2014 23:08
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The only thing I know about the Pike River accident was that the emergency ladder was something like 40 feet straight up, in a small tunnell which they'd have to climb while wearing all their heavy mining gear. No chance.
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Nov 6, 2014 23:56
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truther posted:The only thing I know about the Pike River accident was that the emergency ladder was something like 40 feet straight up, in a small tunnell which they'd have to climb while wearing all their heavy mining gear. No chance. There were meant to be about 5 exits like that, each with multiple landings for rest.
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Nov 7, 2014 00:11
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The last robot they sent down to establish how safe it was hung itself. The Pike River bodies do not matter to anyone outside of the families except as part of the ongoing narrative wherein Key promises the Earth but the closest you ever get is a steaming turd on your lawn and his response is that he doesn't own a dog, has never owned a dog, and furthermore, wouldn't know if he owned a dog.
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Nov 7, 2014 00:20
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The Rabbi T. White posted:These things are worth investigating. Recovering bodies certainly ain't. Try telling that to the families. I can understand why they'd want someone to go in and take a look at what's going on, and I don't think it's unreasonable for the families of the deceased to want some sort of closure on the whole sorry incident, nor should we begrudge them feeling betrayed by the lack of action on that front, when they were explicitly told by Key, whom they were correct to assume was wearing his PM hat at the time, that the government would do what it can for them.
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Nov 7, 2014 00:21
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Peter Whittall got treated like a hero when he ought to be in loving prison
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Nov 7, 2014 00:43
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mirthdefect posted:There were meant to be about 5 exits like that, each with multiple landings for rest. I saw a photo of that ladder and drat it looked grim, not that I've ever been in a mine or really seen the inside of one. Here it is: (not as bad as I remembered) 
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Nov 7, 2014 04:11
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The key part of that was 'they were meant to' I don't think they ever actually got around to making the other exits or even have landings for resting on that one. From memory as the mine removed the coal and expanded down the seam they were going to dig more ventilation shafts and escape routes. But they never got that far.
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Nov 7, 2014 04:22
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Ghostlight posted:The last robot they sent down to establish how safe it was hung itself. He has a dog but it just wasn't acting in its capacity as the Prime Minister's dog when it shat on your lawn
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Nov 7, 2014 05:37
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11354994 The OIA needs some real loving teeth. These fuckers are just taking the piss and there is nothing which can be done about it.
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Exclamation Marx posted:
hahah 
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