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I'm glad we've all managed to establish our non-racist credentials.
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gorki posted:I sometimes heard fenian at my school Catholic Northern Irish here, in 30s, and we had it 'friend of the family' for some reason. I guess back in the 70s/80s with no actual black people around it just wasn't noticed. Or deemed offensive as all our hate was directed to the other 'side' if you know what I mean. As for Top Gear, they should show the episode but just bleep out Clarkson. It'll be the most watched show on earth.
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 11:32 |
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And cover him in a bedsheet because I find his turnip face offensive to look at at this point.
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 11:35 |
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Looks like Rudyard Kipling referenced the rhyme in a poem. It's a bit long to post it all, but the first two verses: code:
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Personally I think the best thing about Atlas Shrugged is the delicious irony of the films being complete and utter flops in the FREEEEE MAARKET. The first film flopped so hard the makers had to go to crowd funding & begging to get the other two made. The free market spoke. quote:Edit: I think they're on Netflix if you want to only spend a few hours of your life learning what utter wank it is instead of wasting your time with the book. They are but, seriously, don't do this. The first film is a good three hours long and it is painfully slow, stupid, boring and nonsensical. It is a dreadful, awful experience. I've never been filled with enough desire to hurt myself to check out the other two - but given the vastly reduced budget I doubt they'd be any better.
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Guavanaut posted:Like how Bosniaks are culturally Muslim even if they're non-practicing? Or how Dick Dawkins describes himself as a cultural Christian despite being ist? Does that make all British people who aren't explicitly other religions 'culturally Christian'? Jews have been considered an ethnoreligious group for a while now. I mean, that was the whole point of the Holocaust and the 'scientific' anti-Semitism that surrounded it.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Personally I think the best thing about Atlas Shrugged is the delicious irony of the films being complete and utter flops in the FREEEEE MAARKET. Theres only two things I learned about the Atlas Shrugged movies, 1) Taylor Schilling is really fit and 2) Samantha Mathis some how made a movie even worse than Super Mario Bros.
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I wonder if Miliband used the other kitchen because the proper one is absurdly posh and looks like something from an advert?
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serious gaylord posted:I wonder if Miliband used the other kitchen because the proper one is absurdly posh and looks like something from an advert? hmmmmm i think u might be onto soething "serious gaylord" ( if that is your real name)
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Lets brainstorm other reasons for not using the main kitchen. Perhaps his servants wouldn't stay out of shot?
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 12:05 |
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maybe his modest income means he has to share a house and each group of tenants have their own kitchen
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I know I'm pure scum because that kitchen looks posh to me. The way people were talking I was expecting to see a picture of our Ed in a windowless grey hole scrubbing away on a washboard under a string of pegged up used teabags.
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Darth Walrus posted:Jews have been considered an ethnoreligious group for a while now. I mean, that was the whole point of the Holocaust and the 'scientific' anti-Semitism that surrounded it. Prince John posted:Looks like Rudyard Kipling referenced the rhyme in a poem. serious gaylord posted:Lets brainstorm other reasons for not using the main kitchen. Perhaps his servants wouldn't stay out of shot?
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not sure I'd trust Nazis or their pseudoscientific cohort for my definitions of race/ethnicity/culture/religion.
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Oberleutnant posted:hmmmmm i think u might be onto soething "serious gaylord" ( if that is your real name) Bigot
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LemonDrizzle posted:Don't the Jews themselves define you as Jewish if yer ma was a Jew, regardless of whether or not you actually practice the faith? That's not too dissimilar to what I mentioned about Bosniaks and being Muslim though, most everyone in the Former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia would consider you a Muslim if you were Bosniak, even if you were completely non-observing. I guess Catholic and Protestant in Ireland is somewhere along that scale too, there's a lot of ethnicity and nationalism in there even if you don't observe any of the religious side, like the old joke about the atheist that walks into an Irish pub (that ends "none of us go to church either, but are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?").
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Guavanaut posted:Like how Bosniaks are culturally Muslim even if they're non-practicing? Or how Dick Dawkins describes himself as a cultural Christian despite being ist? Does that make all British people who aren't explicitly other religions 'culturally Christian'? Not really the same thing. There are Jewish ethnicities (e.g. Ashkenazi), which you can measure genetically, and a Jewish religion, which is basically a choice. If Ed comes from a genetically Jewish family but isn't religious then a secular Jew is a perfectly accurate description. Certainly Christianity has played a big part in Western culture but I would argue it's less distinct as Christian than the differences you find between European cultures compared to the similarities you might find in Jewish communities in different countries. Edit: Arguably there are large parts of modern cultures that could be described as "secular Christian" activities such those during Christmas or Easter but I still think it would be pretty absurd for anyone to self identify as secular Christian in any serious way, it's just not the dominant cultural factor. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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gorki posted:And cover him in a bedsheet because I find his turnip face offensive to look at at this point. I think he has one of his own. Comes with a pointy hood and everything.
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Oberleutnant posted:I'm glad we've all managed to establish our non-racist credentials. Sod that, we should genocide the Welsh, the Belgians, and the Latvians. Also this chat reminds me of a Norn Iron joke: "Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?" "I'm an atheist." "Okay, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?"
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not sure I'd trust Nazis or their pseudoscientific cohort for my definitions of race/ethnicity/culture/religion. If you're looking for definitions of race and ethnicity that weren't pseudoscientific messes cooked up by racists to further their agendas, I've got some bad news for you.
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Darth Walrus posted:If you're looking for definitions of race and ethnicity that weren't pseudoscientific messes cooked up by racists to further their agendas, I've got some bad news for you. some definitions were made by people who wanted to figure out if it was actually a Thing, though turns out it mostly isn't
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 16:41 |
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So I picked up a copy of Reaper Man on my way back from the office as I seem to have lost mine somewhere. Time for a reread.
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KayTee posted:The first film flopped so hard the makers had to go to crowd funding & begging to get the other two made. The free market spoke. Now, is it Atlas Shrugged, or the Fountainhead, where they have to break the laws of physics, by creating a perpetual-motion engine, to get libertarianism to work? I can't ever remember, because both are so insufferably loving dull. [e]: Ah, Shrugged. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Obligatory posting of the amazingly funny/ sad webcomic about Ayn Rand's life and writings: http://activatecomix.com/162-1-1.comic
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Pesky Splinter posted:Now, is it Atlas Shrugged, or the Fountainhead, where they have to break the laws of physics, by creating a perpetual-motion engine, to get libertarianism to work? I can't ever remember, because both are so insufferably loving dull.
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Guavanaut posted:Objectivism, not libertarianism. Rand despised libertarians of all stripes, which is all the more amusing when some of them look up to her as an idol. Blargh, thanks, yeah, meant objectivism. Been reading too many things about libertarians promoting her views.
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Oops
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Pissflaps posted:Oops had a little accident? we can't take you anywhere
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gorki posted:I sometimes heard fenian at my school For the longest time I thought that just mean "idiot" because I derived its meaning from context. gorki posted:I know I'm pure scum because that kitchen looks posh to me. The way people were talking I was expecting to see a picture of our Ed in a windowless grey hole scrubbing away on a washboard under a string of pegged up used teabags. Oh come on even my grandma had a twin tub when I was a lad, washboard is just showing off. I miss the twin tub, it was pretty fun as a kid. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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OwlFancier posted:Oh come on even my grandma had a twin tub when I was a lad, washboard is just showing off. I also liked my grandma's twin tub. You had to drag it out from its hiding place and throw hoses everywhere.
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Guavanaut posted:I heard they're even letting the poor have refrigerators now. Yessssss. Also scooping the clothes out with a stick and putting them in the spinner. And trying to tie the hose to the tap without it spraying water everywhere. Basically a big excuse to play with water for an hour as a kid.
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 23:13 |
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We still used a twin-tub in 2009
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 23:15 |
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The old flat that I used to rent that I was really fond of is now on the market to buy, and I haven't got a hope in hell of affording it.
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 23:23 |
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At least you're not still in it.
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 23:30 |
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Oberleutnant posted:What have you done now pissflaps? Especially not train stations - no wait, that was the other guy, gently caress, never mind
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# ? Mar 13, 2015 23:53 |
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Comic Relief is obviously pretty terrible, but they could at least put out an audience that was wasn't painfully opposed to the acts put on. If they can get people that laugh at all the other poo poo they film they could manage it for this surely?
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# ? Mar 14, 2015 01:49 |
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Relevant to Ayn Rand chat:
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Mister Adequate posted:Sod that, we should genocide the Welsh, the Belgians, and the Latvians. Classic Norn Iron joke there but also true because The Troubles weren't really about religion. This does result in interesting situations though for example one of my best mates who's a sociology lecturer at Queens is an atheist from a Catholic background and is massively critical of the Catholic church (rightly so) but if someone from a non-Catholic background criticises the church he has to make a really concerted effort to not get very defensive because the community association is so strong. On NI stuff here's a good piece from good socialist and friend of mine Eamonn McCann on Sinn Fein pulling out of the Stormont House Agreement and how Friday's strikes influenced this. Trade unionism is alive and well in NI. http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/eamonn-mccann-union-protests-pushed-sinn-f%C3%A9in-to-pull-out-of-agreement-1.2135367
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Pesky Splinter posted:Now, is it Atlas Shrugged, or the Fountainhead, where they have to break the laws of physics, by creating a perpetual-motion engine, to get libertarianism to work? I can't ever remember, because both are so insufferably loving dull. I'm not sure that machine was actually necessary for their little objectivist paradise to work, rather it was just a physically impossible example of "look what we can invent when not kept down by the state ". It could have just been solar panels. In a way, rand undermined her own story there by asking for too much suspension of disbelief. Now, the worst bit of Atlas shrugged is when a steam train goes into a tunnel and the smoke suffocates everyone, and then rand spends a page or two picking out some of the innocent victims and explaining how they each deserved it (or brought the incident on themselves) by not being objectivist enough. That whole little arc is as gently caress to read
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Ayn Rand literally idolized a child murderer and wanted to write a story celebrating him.
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