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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
I'm glad we've all managed to establish our non-racist credentials.

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happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

gorki posted:

I sometimes heard fenian at my school :(

Catholic Northern Irish here, in 30s, and we had it 'friend of the family' for some reason.
I guess back in the 70s/80s with no actual black people around it just wasn't noticed.
Or deemed offensive as all our hate was directed to the other 'side' if you know what I mean.


As for Top Gear, they should show the episode but just bleep out Clarkson.
It'll be the most watched show on earth.

gorki
Aug 9, 2014
And cover him in a bedsheet because I find his turnip face offensive to look at at this point.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Looks like Rudyard Kipling referenced the rhyme in a poem.

It's a bit long to post it all, but the first two verses:

code:
 A Counting-Out Song

What is the song the children sing,
When doorway lilacs bloom in Spring,
And the Schools are loosed, and the games are played
That were deadly earnest when Earth was made?
Hear them chattering, shrill and hard,
After dinner-time, out in the yard,
As the sides are chosen and all submit
To the chance of the lot that shall make them "It."
    (Singing) "Eenee, Meenee, Mainee, Mo!
                   Catch a friend of the family by the toe!
                   (If he hollers let him go!
                   Eenee, Meenee. Mainee, Mo!
                        You-are-It!"

Eenee, Meenee, Mainee, and Mo
Were the First Big Four of the Long Ago,
When the Pole of the Earth sloped thirty degrees,
And Central Europe began to freeze,
And they needed Ambassadors staunch and stark
To steady the Tribes in the gathering dark:
But the frost was fierce and flesh was frail,
So they launched a Magic that could not fail.
    (Singing) "Eenee, Meenee, Mainee, Mo!
                    Hear the wolves across the snow!
                    Some one has to kill 'em--so 
                    Eenee, Meenee, Mainee, Mo
                         Make--you--It!"

KayTee
May 5, 2012

Whachoodoin?

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Personally I think the best thing about Atlas Shrugged is the delicious irony of the films being complete and utter flops in the FREEEEE MAARKET.

The first film flopped so hard the makers had to go to crowd funding & begging to get the other two made. The free market spoke.

quote:

Edit: I think they're on Netflix if you want to only spend a few hours of your life learning what utter wank it is instead of wasting your time with the book.

They are but, seriously, don't do this. The first film is a good three hours long and it is painfully slow, stupid, boring and nonsensical. It is a dreadful, awful experience.

I've never been filled with enough desire to hurt myself to check out the other two - but given the vastly reduced budget I doubt they'd be any better.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

Like how Bosniaks are culturally Muslim even if they're non-practicing? Or how Dick Dawkins describes himself as a cultural Christian despite being :spergin:ist? Does that make all British people who aren't explicitly other religions 'culturally Christian'?

Has he tried the argument that they say it all the time in rap music? I like that one.

Jews have been considered an ethnoreligious group for a while now. I mean, that was the whole point of the Holocaust and the 'scientific' anti-Semitism that surrounded it.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Lord of the Llamas posted:

Personally I think the best thing about Atlas Shrugged is the delicious irony of the films being complete and utter flops in the FREEEEE MAARKET.

Edit: I think they're on Netflix if you want to only spend a few hours of your life learning what utter wank it is instead of wasting your time with the book.
I can't find it right now, but there was a preview clip for the first movie put up on YouTube which had the main character berate a union leader because they refused to run a train on her new track because it hadn't been tested for safety yet. And the main character is portrayed as the good person in this exchange.

Theres only two things I learned about the Atlas Shrugged movies, 1) Taylor Schilling is really fit and 2) Samantha Mathis some how made a movie even worse than Super Mario Bros.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
I wonder if Miliband used the other kitchen because the proper one is absurdly posh and looks like something from an advert?

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

serious gaylord posted:

I wonder if Miliband used the other kitchen because the proper one is absurdly posh and looks like something from an advert?

hmmmmm i think u might be onto soething "serious gaylord" ( if that is your real name)

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
Lets brainstorm other reasons for not using the main kitchen. Perhaps his servants wouldn't stay out of shot?

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
maybe his modest income means he has to share a house and each group of tenants have their own kitchen

gorki
Aug 9, 2014
I know I'm pure scum because that kitchen looks posh to me. The way people were talking I was expecting to see a picture of our Ed in a windowless grey hole scrubbing away on a washboard under a string of pegged up used teabags.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Darth Walrus posted:

Jews have been considered an ethnoreligious group for a while now. I mean, that was the whole point of the Holocaust and the 'scientific' anti-Semitism that surrounded it.
I'm not sure I'd trust Nazis or their pseudoscientific cohort for my definitions of race/ethnicity/culture/religion.

Prince John posted:

Looks like Rudyard Kipling referenced the rhyme in a poem.

It's a bit long to post it all, but the first two verses:

code:
(Singing) "Eenee, Meenee, Mainee, Mo!
                    Hear the wolves across the snow!
                    Some one has to kill 'em--so 
                    Eenee, Meenee, Mainee, Mo
                         Make--you--It!"
I like this verse better than any of the racist or non-racist versions of the first one. Why wasn't this more popular?

serious gaylord posted:

Lets brainstorm other reasons for not using the main kitchen. Perhaps his servants wouldn't stay out of shot?
The other kitchen is where he practices eating sandwiches.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Guavanaut posted:

I'm not sure I'd trust Nazis or their pseudoscientific cohort for my definitions of race/ethnicity/culture/religion.
Don't the Jews themselves define you as Jewish if yer ma was a Jew, regardless of whether or not you actually practice the faith?

DrWrestling69
Feb 4, 2008

Tracyanne...

Oberleutnant posted:

hmmmmm i think u might be onto soething "serious gaylord" ( if that is your real name)

Bigot

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

LemonDrizzle posted:

Don't the Jews themselves define you as Jewish if yer ma was a Jew, regardless of whether or not you actually practice the faith?
I think that depends on the type of Jew. Orthodox Jews do, you're just a bad one if you're non-observing, Liberal Jews believe that you need to make a conscious identification as a Jew.

That's not too dissimilar to what I mentioned about Bosniaks and being Muslim though, most everyone in the Former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia would consider you a Muslim if you were Bosniak, even if you were completely non-observing.

I guess Catholic and Protestant in Ireland is somewhere along that scale too, there's a lot of ethnicity and nationalism in there even if you don't observe any of the religious side, like the old joke about the atheist that walks into an Irish pub (that ends "none of us go to church either, but are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?").

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Guavanaut posted:

Like how Bosniaks are culturally Muslim even if they're non-practicing? Or how Dick Dawkins describes himself as a cultural Christian despite being :spergin:ist? Does that make all British people who aren't explicitly other religions 'culturally Christian'?

Has he tried the argument that they say it all the time in rap music? I like that one.

Not really the same thing. There are Jewish ethnicities (e.g. Ashkenazi), which you can measure genetically, and a Jewish religion, which is basically a choice. If Ed comes from a genetically Jewish family but isn't religious then a secular Jew is a perfectly accurate description. Certainly Christianity has played a big part in Western culture but I would argue it's less distinct as Christian than the differences you find between European cultures compared to the similarities you might find in Jewish communities in different countries.

Edit: Arguably there are large parts of modern cultures that could be described as "secular Christian" activities such those during Christmas or Easter but I still think it would be pretty absurd for anyone to self identify as secular Christian in any serious way, it's just not the dominant cultural factor.

Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Mar 13, 2015

Stottie Kyek
Apr 26, 2008

fuckin egg in a bun

gorki posted:

And cover him in a bedsheet because I find his turnip face offensive to look at at this point.

I think he has one of his own. Comes with a pointy hood and everything.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Oberleutnant posted:

I'm glad we've all managed to establish our non-racist credentials.

Sod that, we should genocide the Welsh, the Belgians, and the Latvians.

Also this chat reminds me of a Norn Iron joke:

"Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?"
"I'm an atheist."
"Okay, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?"

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

I'm not sure I'd trust Nazis or their pseudoscientific cohort for my definitions of race/ethnicity/culture/religion.

If you're looking for definitions of race and ethnicity that weren't pseudoscientific messes cooked up by racists to further their agendas, I've got some bad news for you.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Darth Walrus posted:

If you're looking for definitions of race and ethnicity that weren't pseudoscientific messes cooked up by racists to further their agendas, I've got some bad news for you.

some definitions were made by people who wanted to figure out if it was actually a Thing, though

turns out it mostly isn't

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you
So I picked up a copy of Reaper Man on my way back from the office as I seem to have lost mine somewhere. Time for a reread.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

KayTee posted:

The first film flopped so hard the makers had to go to crowd funding & begging to get the other two made. The free market spoke.


They are but, seriously, don't do this. The first film is a good three hours long and it is painfully slow, stupid, boring and nonsensical. It is a dreadful, awful experience.

I've never been filled with enough desire to hurt myself to check out the other two - but given the vastly reduced budget I doubt they'd be any better.

Now, is it Atlas Shrugged, or the Fountainhead, where they have to break the laws of physics, by creating a perpetual-motion engine, to get libertarianism to work? I can't ever remember, because both are so insufferably loving dull.

[e]: Ah, Shrugged.

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 13, 2015

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Obligatory posting of the amazingly funny/ sad webcomic about Ayn Rand's life and writings:

http://activatecomix.com/162-1-1.comic

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Pesky Splinter posted:

Now, is it Atlas Shrugged, or the Fountainhead, where they have to break the laws of physics, by creating a perpetual-motion engine, to get libertarianism to work? I can't ever remember, because both are so insufferably loving dull.

[e]: Ah, Shrugged.
Objectivism, not libertarianism. Rand despised libertarians of all stripes, which is all the more amusing when some of them look up to her as an idol.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Guavanaut posted:

Objectivism, not libertarianism. Rand despised libertarians of all stripes, which is all the more amusing when some of them look up to her as an idol.

Blargh, thanks, yeah, meant objectivism. Been reading too many things about libertarians promoting her views. :v:

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Oops

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
What have you done now pissflaps?
had a little accident?
we can't take you anywhere

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

gorki posted:

I sometimes heard fenian at my school :(

For the longest time I thought that just mean "idiot" because I derived its meaning from context.

gorki posted:

I know I'm pure scum because that kitchen looks posh to me. The way people were talking I was expecting to see a picture of our Ed in a windowless grey hole scrubbing away on a washboard under a string of pegged up used teabags.

Oh come on even my grandma had a twin tub when I was a lad, washboard is just showing off.

I miss the twin tub, it was pretty fun as a kid.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Mar 13, 2015

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Oh come on even my grandma had a twin tub when I was a lad, washboard is just showing off.

I miss the twin tub, it was pretty fun as a kid.
I heard they're even letting the poor have refrigerators now.

I also liked my grandma's twin tub. You had to drag it out from its hiding place and throw hoses everywhere.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

I heard they're even letting the poor have refrigerators now.

I also liked my grandma's twin tub. You had to drag it out from its hiding place and throw hoses everywhere.

Yessssss. Also scooping the clothes out with a stick and putting them in the spinner. And trying to tie the hose to the tap without it spraying water everywhere.

Basically a big excuse to play with water for an hour as a kid.

Moxm
Jun 13, 2012
We still used a twin-tub in 2009 :(

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

The old flat that I used to rent that I was really fond of is now on the market to buy, and I haven't got a hope in hell of affording it. :(

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

At least you're not still in it.

Stottie Kyek
Apr 26, 2008

fuckin egg in a bun

Oberleutnant posted:

What have you done now pissflaps?
had a little accident?
we can't take you anywhere

Especially not train stations - no wait, that was the other guy, gently caress, never mind

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Comic Relief is obviously pretty terrible, but they could at least put out an audience that was wasn't painfully opposed to the acts put on. If they can get people that laugh at all the other poo poo they film they could manage it for this surely?

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
Relevant to Ayn Rand chat:


StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.

Mister Adequate posted:

Sod that, we should genocide the Welsh, the Belgians, and the Latvians.

Also this chat reminds me of a Norn Iron joke:

"Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?"
"I'm an atheist."
"Okay, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?"

Classic Norn Iron joke there but also true because The Troubles weren't really about religion. This does result in interesting situations though for example one of my best mates who's a sociology lecturer at Queens is an atheist from a Catholic background and is massively critical of the Catholic church (rightly so) but if someone from a non-Catholic background criticises the church he has to make a really concerted effort to not get very defensive because the community association is so strong.

On NI stuff here's a good piece from good socialist and friend of mine Eamonn McCann on Sinn Fein pulling out of the Stormont House Agreement and how Friday's strikes influenced this. Trade unionism is alive and well in NI.

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/eamonn-mccann-union-protests-pushed-sinn-f%C3%A9in-to-pull-out-of-agreement-1.2135367

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Pesky Splinter posted:

Now, is it Atlas Shrugged, or the Fountainhead, where they have to break the laws of physics, by creating a perpetual-motion engine, to get libertarianism to work? I can't ever remember, because both are so insufferably loving dull.

[e]: Ah, Shrugged.

I'm not sure that machine was actually necessary for their little objectivist paradise to work, rather it was just a physically impossible example of "look what we can invent when not kept down by the state :smug:". It could have just been solar panels. In a way, rand undermined her own story there by asking for too much suspension of disbelief.

Now, the worst bit of Atlas shrugged is when a steam train goes into a tunnel and the smoke suffocates everyone, and then rand spends a page or two picking out some of the innocent victims and explaining how they each deserved it (or brought the incident on themselves) by not being objectivist enough. That whole little arc is :stare: as gently caress to read

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Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
Ayn Rand literally idolized a child murderer and wanted to write a story celebrating him.

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