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i think you're forgetting sonic, sonic blasters (especially with a hard hitting melee set, or drain psyche) can do some mean things.
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I really doubt sonic blast on a blaster would out damage fire blast. The pathetic -res value blasters get just isn't enough to outpace fire blast.
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Jun 13, 2012 21:23
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Sonic's actual damage is dreadful. Fire Ball does 79 DPA base and Blaze does 188. The highest in Sonic is Scream with 55.The -RES is obviously really nice because of teammates but if your goal is teammate damage then you're much better off with an AT with a support set that can dump a -30% RES AOE on everything. Really the main problems are that Blaster secondaries are total rear end, debuffing blast sets pay too much in damage (the snipe buff would help here), and cone cast times are too long. The first problem is pretty much unfixable because it's mainly due to completely incomprehensible power choices but of course pubbies will rage about their concept being ruined if someone hints that putting Boost Range in a secondary with 5 melee attacks might have involved alcohol. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jun 13, 2012 |
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Jun 13, 2012 21:40
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just sayin if you want to play a blaster that punches dudes sonic is a good way to go but i read what you said wrong anyways you were referring to sets with snipes so my bad. basically i shouldn't post when i've just woken up PUPPY PUZZLE fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 13, 2012 |
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Jun 13, 2012 21:48
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PUPPY PUZZLE posted:just sayin if you want to play a blaster that punches dudes sonic is a good way to go If you're talking about what does the best ST damage then I guess you'd have to measure it but even if you're punching stuff I'm not sure -13% RES makes up for losing Blaze because Blaze just does a shitload of damage.
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Jun 13, 2012 21:54
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well yeah nothing will ever beat blaze it's just too good/fast, ice comes close though. i'm wondering how good water will actually be, i'd like to try out like a water/dark blaster.
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Jun 13, 2012 22:05
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I'm sure Blaze will get the Energy Transfer treatment soon enough. Maybe an animation where the character takes out a lighter, flicks it a few times, and then walks it over to the target and kindles its coat tails?
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Jun 13, 2012 22:18
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OneEightHundred posted:Really the main problems are that Blaster secondaries are total rear end Energy melee is pretty good as a secondary. You get a ton of buffs and the attacks are fun. Plus you get bright glowing fists and that poo poo is baller as gently caress  I find it fun, anyway. Regardless, who gives a gently caress. Play what you enjoy and find fun, who cares about numbers.
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Jun 13, 2012 22:20
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PUPPY PUZZLE posted:well yeah nothing will ever beat blaze it's just too good/fast, ice comes close though. e: If anything's out of line in Fire, it's Fire Ball. Slung Blade posted:Energy melee is pretty good as a secondary. You get a ton of buffs and the attacks are fun. The melee attacks are also more of a problem than they used to be because of the type of enemies they've been adding. "Range is not defense" used to be this big common trope because everything has ranged attacks or will just run up and slap you, but then they added a bunch of high-level enemies that spam AOE attacks and AOE mezzes on your melee constantly, so now you get whacked even when you don't have aggro. quote:Regardless, who gives a gently caress. Play what you enjoy and find fun, who cares about numbers. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jun 13, 2012 |
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Jun 13, 2012 22:34
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OneEightHundred posted:brb gonna make a spreadsheet and chart out fun factor on one axis and time spent dead on the other You're gonna need to amend that chart to take Beast Mastery into account - the fact the worst powerset in the game will very rarely actually get you killed is a big outlier.
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Jun 13, 2012 22:50
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That's OK I'll cheat and put "time pets spend dead" on the same axis.
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for everyone talking about how bad Beast Mastery is, how many of you actually tried it? I wound up enjoying playing my BM/TA (I set out to make the worst combo possible for a gimmick). I don't even like MMs. As it was my pets rarely died and did pretty good damage, and I have no way to heal or buff them other than the usual Equip power. Made it to 26 before I quit playing, but when I come back I'm sure I'll fire him up again for laughs. I can throw bees!
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Jun 13, 2012 23:01
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I took one to 50 and +1 or +2. It really is that bad, in my mastermind-playing opinion. I'm not saying it can't be fun, I did pull some enjoyment out of it obviously. I just was very disappointed with how it actually worked out.
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Pez posted:for everyone talking about how bad Beast Mastery is, how many of you actually tried it? I wound up enjoying playing my BM/TA (I set out to make the worst combo possible for a gimmick). I don't even like MMs. As it was my pets rarely died and did pretty good damage, and I have no way to heal or buff them other than the usual Equip power. Made it to 26 before I quit playing, but when I come back I'm sure I'll fire him up again for laughs. I can throw bees! I worked this out when arguing the point in Pocket D broadcast. By sheer chance, those two sets, the worst sets in the game, actually complement each other rather well. I'd hesitate to call the end result good, because hey it's Beast Mastery and Trick Arrow so you still either can't do or suck at everything, but the control aspect of Trick Arrow covers Beast Mastery's lack of range pretty well.
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Jun 13, 2012 23:32
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If we are talking Fire Assault for dominators I just want to chime in and say it is WTF awesome. ANY X/Fire/Ice dom has the potential to to do a freaking retarded amount of ST damage. Just slot up you ST Hold with 2 HO acc/DMG, the dom proc, and three other dmg procs, get a poo poo ton of recharge, run muscle and ageless, and laugh at everyone on your team going WTF when you spam blaze-fire blast-st hold and do more damage than DM/SD scrappers.
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The fact that Doms get Sleet in their epic pool is like the punchline of why Blaster secondaries blow.
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OneEightHundred posted:The melee attacks are also more of a problem than they used to be because of the type of enemies they've been adding. "Range is not defense" used to be this big common trope because everything has ranged attacks or will just run up and slap you, but then they added a bunch of high-level enemies that spam AOE attacks and AOE mezzes on your melee constantly, so now you get whacked even when you don't have aggro. Yeah, true enough. When I play my fire/em blaster, I hardly ever use the melee attacks. Hover and a couple minor defensive powers generally allow me to survive fairly well if the team is big enough to distract the mobs. If I have to wade into punching distance in situations like that, you know poo poo's gone seriously sideways and it's just a desperation ploy on my part. Sometimes it even works out! Range helps as long as you have tank types up front or controllers locking everything down, but you know that. Fireball and fire rain are nice because you can do that poo poo around corners. Line of sight IS a decent defense, at least, despite its extremely fleeting short term nature. Prevents massive alpha strike retaliation too. OneEightHundred posted:brb gonna make a spreadsheet and chart out fun factor on one axis and time spent dead on the other I know man, all I'm saying is everyone finds different poo poo fun. Sometimes it's cool being dead because it gives you time to crack stupid jokes. I actually died when I was in the middle of a mob last night to make a stupid joke. Prova can attest to that. Keep in mind that death is completely meaningless except in terms of time. There is no punishment or loss associated with it all outside the time sink. If you care about your personal time, man, are you playing the wrong kind of game.
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http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/news_archive/i_can_has_costume_contest.php meme costume contest. what.
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Jun 14, 2012 00:32
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I... think I like it? But that was a painful thing to read. Anyway, Business Cat seems like it'd be a cinch.
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PUPPY PUZZLE posted:http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/news_archive/i_can_has_costume_contest.php That post has caused blood to appear around the edges of my vision and is inciting me to murder. Fortunately, OneEightHundred posted:fireblastersfireblastersfireblasters 
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Jun 14, 2012 00:43
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Time to make OH THE HUGE MANATEE
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OneEightHundred posted:Really the main problems are that Blaster secondaries are total rear end, People tend to poo poo on Devices, but it actually gives you tools to stay alive, Cloaking Device and Smoke Grenade, plus an actual mag 3 stun in Taser. Every other set is a mix of blapping attacks that get you killed, damage auras that get you killed faster, lovely mag 2 mezzes, and lovely debuffs. The only other secondary that doesn't suck is Mental Manipulation, and that's because Drain Psyche carries the whole set. Also Dark/Dark is ok because of stacked -tohit, but Doms do it ten times better.
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I think you read that wrong, ice 4 lyfe. (But holy gently caress buff Frost Breath already. And give me back my pre-nerf Ice Blast cast time.) OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Jun 14, 2012 |
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Jun 14, 2012 01:04
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I swear to loving CHRIST, if you assholes don't win this god drat costume SEEMINGLY DESIGNED EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOU TO WIN, I'm going to quit this loving thing and go...I don't know...read a book or something.
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WeX Majors posted:I swear to loving CHRIST, if you assholes don't win this god drat costume SEEMINGLY DESIGNED EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOU TO WIN, I'm going to quit this loving thing and go...I don't know...read a book or something.
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Fearless_Decoy posted:...I won third in the 'Bad Idea' costume contest, does that count? I got 3rd in the circus one 
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Welp I am prepared for this one. Now I will forget about it.
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Yeah the chances of me not being busy are slim to none. Anyways, Srin here is a plant/dark/ice dom build. I know nothing about dark assault. http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/down...E2DCE7FBEADF435 Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jun 14, 2012 |
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I'd suggest we enter collectively with a joint gimmick of some kind, but I can only think of one and it'll probably get us in poo poo. But if we can pull off a group of people dressed as Goatse, Tub Girl, Swap.avi and so on and so forth, I don't think we could ever top it for as long as we play.
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If there isn't at least one All Your Base, I will be disappointed. And old.
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Tommy 2.0 posted:Yeah the chances of me not being busy are slim to none. this is fine but i'd take night fall over moon beam for general use unless they really buff the gently caress out of snipes in i24 you're never going to use it, and you only lose like 1.25% recharge.
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Pez posted:for everyone talking about how bad Beast Mastery is, how many of you actually tried it? I wound up enjoying playing my BM/TA (I set out to make the worst combo possible for a gimmick). I don't even like MMs. As it was my pets rarely died and did pretty good damage, and I have no way to heal or buff them other than the usual Equip power. Made it to 26 before I quit playing, but when I come back I'm sure I'll fire him up again for laughs. I can throw bees! I've played a ton of masterminds and like masterminds and BM is pretty horrible in my opinion. But if you enjoy it, more power to you.
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quote:[Tell] -->Carnvial Witch Guard: (You spelt your name wrong.) This went on for some time. Never seen someone so defensive about a mistake.
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Slung Blade posted:Fireball and fire rain are nice because you can do that poo poo around corners. Re: Devices, it's better than nothing but it's hard to do much when Blaster defense is so bad. All of their +DEF pool powers have really bad numbers for some reason, Cloak itself is only +1.75% and doesn't work with Stealth (which gives the same numbers, but costs more and has better stealth range). 
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Jun 14, 2012 05:28
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OneEightHundred posted:I think Fire is still the highest ST Stop right there, Fire Blast only barely manages to keep up with Katana.
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Really Aeric? I believe you, but you should post some numbers on that, I'd like to see them. I thought for sure fire blast, fireball, and blaze would be some sick dps. But I could be very wrong.
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Pez posted:I got 3rd in the circus one I won first on Chinese New Year contest but I have a genetic advantage.
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I intend to either win this contest or get my account suspended trying. It's gonna be a tough thing to get right, and I'm gonna need to use that Retro Sci-Fi pack I didn't want to touch, but like it or not that contest is gonna get a visit from Goat Seer.
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Free Headcrab posted:Really Aeric? I believe you, but you should post some numbers on that, I'd like to see them. I thought for sure fire blast, fireball, and blaze would be some sick dps. But I could be very wrong. Flares>FB>Blaze does 93.4 DPS unenhanced. This is a blaster chain, since fireball doesn't really make use of defiance, and requires like 274% global recharge or some poo poo. GD>GC>SD>GC does 74.5 DPS unenhanced. When you start factoring in their respective gimmicks and procs, both sets will end up with roughly the same dps with fire taking a slight edge. Point I'm trying to prove is that Katana is an average set and Blasters in their current incarnation, are really bad. ninja edit: my bad there. Aeric fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jun 14, 2012 |
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Aeric posted:GD>GC>SD>GC does 89.67 DPS unenhanced. 
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