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Drunkboxer posted:nah the 4th one was good god emperor was loving terrible it's the author talking through a self-insert character, your opinions on books are loving bad if you think it is good
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Lynch's Dune is a nice movie with some great imagery, and I don't understand all this bitching about the plot being difficult to understand. Sure, not exactly everything is not written on your nose, but I had no problem understanding it as a dumb teenager, and I've never read the books. Do you really need the entire background of the Bene Gesserit freaks? No, they are strange looking women who wants to use the protagonist for their own shadowy aims, now move on and enjoy some loving lightning-shooting sand worms and a dreamy MacLachlan. If you needed a cheat sheet to follow the movie, you probably needed crayon paintings to follow Pulp Fiction, Memento, and The Usual Suspects as well. You probably have a court mandate against watching Primer. I don't see how it is a valid cause to critizice the film. People who need every single detail of a story spelled out for them are inferior, and their dumb approach to entertainment ruins it for everyone else.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Patrick Stewart owns as Gurney because he's Patrick Stewart and is totally loving awesome in everything he's in.  lmao this poo poo owns, nothing can surpass lynch's dune
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Nah dude, it makes total sense. Somewhere in Hollywood this has already made it to someones desk already.
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lilljonas posted:If you needed a cheat sheet to follow the movie, you probably needed crayon paintings to follow Pulp Fiction, Memento, and The Usual Suspects as well. You probably have a court mandate against watching Primer. I don't see how it is a valid cause to critizice the film. People who need every single detail of a story spelled out for them are inferior, and their dumb approach to entertainment ruins it for everyone else. I guess Roger Ebert, as well as the majority of critics and audiences are inferior human beings with a dumb approach to life then
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Gammatron 64 posted:Salvador Dali having a trippy poo poo would make it worth it too. Totally.
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Gammatron 64 posted:I guess Roger Ebert, as well as the majority of critics and audiences are inferior human beings with a dumb approach to life then well, yeah
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Gammatron 64 posted:I guess Roger Ebert, as well as the majority of critics and audiences are inferior human beings with a dumb approach to life then actually, yes
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The sense I got from the documentary was that there was no one there to really rein in Jodorowsky. The biggest take away I had from the documentary was the woman who said something like, "Dali will destroy this project." Directly or indirectly, I think the tone of the Dali decisions might have proven that sort of an accurate prediction. The entire thing with him feels more like a nightmare to a studio to have to deal with. I still sort of wonder how much Jodo's own attempt to impress folks like Dali lead to him go overboard in the pre-production stuff to 'prove' something to them. Ultimately, though, for as much time and investment that was made in the pre-production of his version of Dune, I still found the documentary to be somewhat lacking on some fronts. I think I made this comment in another thread regarding this documentary, but I think it really needed a Devil's Advocate figure to pop in every now and then and provide a counterpoint to the production stuff and explain why it was so alienating to Hollywood at every step, or why the imagination of the team wasn't matched by the technical or mainstream realities of the 70s.
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My takeaway: it was a bittersweet tale of how you can have your dreams and ambitions ripped away from you, and somehow not manage to kill yourself.
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In realities where Jodorowsky got to make dune, there is universal harmony. Also David Lynch's Dune is great. Also hella easy to understand. I first watched it when I was 8 and never had any problem understanding it, so yes, If you didn't like or didn't 'get' David Lynch's dune, you are dumber than a child.
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What's kind of amusing is that Dali was a gigantic troll and asked for $100,000 a minute, so Jodorowsky thought to have him in the film for 5 minutes and he'd just have an animatronic dummy for the rest.
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Ugh. This thread is making me want to get into Dune, even more so than the documentary. Good going, goons.
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20matar posted:Ugh. This thread is making me want to get into Dune, even more so than the documentary. Good going, goons. The first book is worth reading.
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general advice from the book barn is keep reading until you hit something you don't like then drop it hard because you won't like anything else from there on out i liked dune through children of dune (although i find dune itself kind of overrated; it's a decent read and an important book but it didn't do that much for me) then god emperor as i posted above i found godawful. i forced myself through chapterhouse and hated every second of it
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Gammatron 64 posted:I guess Roger Ebert, as well as the majority of critics and audiences are inferior human beings with a dumb approach to life then Roger Ebert gave Dune 1 star and Phantom Menace 3.5 stars, so yes, he has had dumb opinions about movies. And yes, you have to be pretty dumb and/or unimaginative if you can't follow along with the story in the movie. lol at his Dune review: "Nobody looks very happy in this movie". He also complains that the colours are not like in Lawrence of Arabia, which I guess he's correct about?
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surc posted:In realities where Jodorowsky got to make dune, there is universal harmony. The Lynch Dune is not hard to understand: some dudes run around shooting stuff with their voice and there's an old lady doing something with a box and the desert guys ride a giant worm-bus. What Lynch's Dune is not, is an explanation of the political intrigue in a feudal society being steered by a ten thousand year old religious organization made of women only, who then fail to succeed in creating a perfect female empress to rule the galaxy forever and the struggle of a man forced into a situation he can't control. EDIT: If you're on the fence, read the first Dune book. If you hate it, stop. The actual Frank Herbert books aren't terrible, but it goes downhill after Dune. The one's by those other dudes suck so much I don't even remember their names.
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reading Dune for the first time and it owns also metabarons is cool and jodorowsky's Dune would have probably ended up being some weird kitschy thing from the 70's people would remember ala Zardoz
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Frank Herbert is a really good author, and acting like he's less than one of the great authors of the English language is triggering me badly. Please stop
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Frank Herbert's writing is a bit dry but Brian Herbert, there is a guy that can spin a great and exciting yarn. The Dune prequels are vastly superior to the old geezer's and choke full of action and adventure for the new millennium generation. Wheels within wheels. It's like poetry.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think I made this comment in another thread regarding this documentary, but I think it really needed a Devil's Advocate figure to pop in every now and then and provide a counterpoint to the production stuff and explain why it was so alienating to Hollywood at every step, or why the imagination of the team wasn't matched by the technical or mainstream realities of the 70s. I don't think that it would have been necessary. Even I, a sympathetic viewer, could see clearly how completely over-the-top all of his madness was just coming in, and what it suggested for how impractical this production would be going forward.
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SopWATh posted:The Lynch Dune is not hard to understand: some dudes run around shooting stuff with their voice and there's an old lady doing something with a box and the desert guys ride a giant worm-bus. What Lynch's Dune is not, is an explanation of the political intrigue in a feudal society being steered by a ten thousand year old religious organization made of women only, who then fail to succeed in creating a perfect female empress to rule the galaxy forever and the struggle of a man forced into a situation he can't control. Yeah, this. It's a pretty faithful retelling of events, but we aren't given any context to care. The characters come across as alien and inhuman in the same way they do in the Star Wars prequels. The first half of the movie IS easy to follow, but I don't think they ever explained what the Water of Life was or what the Kwizataz Hadierach was. Or if it did, I wasn't paying attention and missed it.
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The basic plot is there but there is absolutely no reference for things like the water of life, and even the nature of spice isn't very well shown. Why is shield technology so lovely? At times these omissions make characters and their motivations drat near incomprehensible, and the shoehorned in monologues manage to make these problems worse at times
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MeLKoR posted:Frank Herbert's writing is a bit dry but Brian Herbert, there is a guy that can spin a great and exciting yarn. The Dune prequels are vastly superior to the old geezer's and choke full of action and adventure for the new millennium generation. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jodorowsky would have made a film full of shock-value imagery that was interesting to look at, but ultimately would have done an even worse job of conveying the story than Lynch's Dune did. It would also look really dated after 3-4 years, and wouldn't have made 1/5th its production budget in ticket sales. A lot of people cite "The Holy" mountain as being some amazing film, but all it was, was a canvas for a bunch of strange/shocking images Jodorowsky wanted to see happen. He's a decent experimental-art-house director, but feature films with any type of mass appeal are nowhere within his ability without a dozen studio execs to reel him in. Also, everyone would have gotten annoyed with his son's accent/acting.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah, this. It's a pretty faithful retelling of events, but we aren't given any context to care. The characters come across as alien and inhuman in the same way they do in the Star Wars prequels. The first half of the movie IS easy to follow, but I don't think they ever explained what the Water of Life was or what the Kwizataz Hadierach was. Or if it did, I wasn't paying attention and missed it. The 4 hour cut that Lynch loving hates does a good deal of exposition and even shows the water of life being made. It is also extremely hard to sit through as a hardcore fan of the book, I can't imagine what someone who has never read Dune or doesn't like it would think of it. Also the narrator in the introduction pronounces Sardaukar "Sar-DOOK-er" with a heavy Southern accent.
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I think an important thing to understand is that jodorowsky never read the book and didn't care about making an accurate adaptation. It would have been an amazing movie but only tangentially related to dune the novel.
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MrQwerty posted:The 4 hour cut that Lynch loving hates does a good deal of exposition and even shows the water of life being made. It is also extremely hard to sit through as a hardcore fan of the book, I can't imagine what someone who has never read Dune or doesn't like it would think of it. That version is loving horrible! The narrator should be doing a low-budget western movie, and the matte paintings they use during said narrations look like they were made by Bob Ross. When I first saw it I had to google that version to see if it was a fan -re-edit with fan-made content it was so bad.
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Verisimilidude posted:reading Dune for the first time and it owns Technopriests is good too. i remember the art impressing me greatly Incal is eh whatever
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Doesn't that long cut david lynch had his name struck from have some extremely lovely, raw looking scenes that were put in anyway because "extra dune!!!!"?
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Neurosis posted:Technopriests is good too. i remember the art impressing me greatly incal's recolor job is like one of the worst things that ever happened to a comic and if you somehow read that i feel bad because they just photoshop smudge and gradient all over the linework, it looks awful. jodorowsky's comic "Borgia" he did with Milo Manara about the Borgias is amazing and one of the best things in his catalogue
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Under the vegetable posted:incal's recolor job is like one of the worst things that ever happened to a comic and if you somehow read that i feel bad because they just photoshop smudge and gradient all over the linework, it looks awful. This. I first read Incal in Heavy Metal magazine so I was excited to get the TPB, but the recolor was so disgusting it's almost like it retroactively makes the original art shittier by association.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Also this thread and facebook discussions have convinced me to stop after God emperor and call it a day regardless Reconsider. B-Herb and Kandy try to write in Frank's style and don't always succeed, but Leto's Golden Path actually is about not getting murdered by those robits the prequels feature. It's not the most elegant ending, but it's assembled from Frank's notes. Gammatron 64 posted:I guess Roger Ebert, as well as the majority of critics and audiences are inferior human beings with a dumb approach to life then Well, video games are actually Art, so... surc posted:Also David Lynch's Dune is great. Also hella easy to understand. I first watched it when I was 8 and never had any problem understanding it, so yes, If you didn't like or didn't 'get' David Lynch's dune, you are dumber than a child. Weird things upset autists, like the endings of the Dune saga, the Matrix movies, Battlestar Galactica, and Lost, and Mass Effect 3. Sometimes, stupid poo poo happens, The End,    
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Reconsider. B-Herb and Kandy try to write in Frank's style and don't always succeed, but Leto's Golden Path actually is about not getting murdered by those robits the prequels feature. It's not the most elegant ending, but it's assembled from Frank's notes. i thiknk your retarded
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gender illusionist posted:i thiknk your retarded 
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gender illusionist posted:i thiknk your retarded Oh no, forums poster gender illusionist thinks I'm retarded! 
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We all think you're retarded.
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I tried reading Dune when I was like 12, got horribly bogged down, rented Lynch's Dune on VHS, and somehow the movie made everything click for me and I devoured the rest of the book. Then I worked through the rest of the series in high school. I've re-read the first four books a few times since then, but I've never re-read Heretics or Chapterhouse and I don't really have much desire to either.
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defending post-Frank Dune is a bad troll and yeah retarded
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