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The Homo-sexualist agenda has claimed another victim 
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Apr 17, 2013 10:43
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Well great now you guys can make honest men of those sheep. (No for real, congrats, what was the debate like? I don't know much about NZ politics so I have no idea how much a fight it was.)
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Apr 17, 2013 14:39
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77-44, I'm pretty sure no change from the second reading, despite the deliberate spread of misinformation (You won't be allowed to say husband or wife anymore  ) from the charming Family First and other groups.quote:Come together, hold assembly, you shameless 77 - before you are driven out of office, before the burning anger of the voters overtake you, for the day of reckoning will come for sure, you hollow 77, whitewashed sepulchres You can watch the Third Reading playlist here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8VKcqRP1KQ
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Apr 17, 2013 14:56
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Exclamation Marx posted:77-44, I'm pretty sure no change from the second reading, despite the deliberate spread of misinformation (You won't be allowed to say husband or wife anymore Well, I think it's pretty obvious the people who were spreading that crap were more of the "man and wife" types. But congratulations to everyone in NZ. I read this thread and watch the snowball rolling across the US and Europe, then I look at the state of it here in Australia and I could just kick something. Little Johnny did so much damage to the prospect of equal rights that I honestly don't know how long it'll take.
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Apr 17, 2013 15:10
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Only Peters was his usual rear end in a top hat self. Rest of the debate surprisingly civilized.
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Apr 17, 2013 15:12
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The debate looks really civil in New Zealand, I kind of envy you for having so reasonable right wingers, ours are just hosed up. UMP MP Laurent Wauquiez proposed to postpone the last Same sex marriage debate in the French parliament (which will pass) because of the Boston Marathon attacks, I do not make this poo poo up. http://www.rue89.com/zapnet/2013/04/16/dire-nimporte-quoi-trois-lecons-laurent-wauquiez-241510 His reasoning is that we should talk about how to defend ourselves instead of talking about same sex marriage because the terrorists are attacking our western way of life.
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Apr 17, 2013 15:50
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Delaware House committee is voting on a marriage bill today. I don't know if DE is a reasonable place or if it's like Colorado and there will be 3 committees to pass in each chamber. e: House has 17 co-sponsors and needs 21 of 41 reps. 26-15 D-R split. Senate has 7 co-sponsors and needs 11 of 21. 13-8 D-R split. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 16:05
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It is just mindblowing how fast this issue swung around. Prop 8 passed just 4 years ago, now it seems like every day I read about some new state or country bringing a marriage bill to a vote and most of the time they're passing.
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Apr 17, 2013 16:27
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I find the snowball effect of the last few years fascinating. Also, I'm still very proud of my country leading the charge on this. There was barely any resistance if I recall correctly. Only the real bible thumpers opposed it. Even the christian democrats saw the writing on the wall and went along with it.
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Apr 17, 2013 16:55
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Kurtofan posted:The debate looks really civil in New Zealand, I kind of envy you for having so reasonable right wingers, ours are just hosed up. I agree they should just approve marriage equality and move on to issues that actually matter.
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Apr 17, 2013 16:58
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I agree they should just approve marriage equality and move on to issues that actually matter. Yeah, here in Britain people are trying to argue that the government shouldn't be trying to pass same-sex marriage while we're in a recession (because governments can only do one thing at any one time you see). They always seem to overlook the fact that it's only taking so much time and effort because of their kicking and screaming.
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Apr 17, 2013 17:35
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Paul MaudDib posted:It is just mindblowing how fast this issue swung around. Prop 8 passed just 4 years ago, now it seems like every day I read about some new state or country bringing a marriage bill to a vote and most of the time they're passing.
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Apr 17, 2013 17:47
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Paul MaudDib posted:It is just mindblowing how fast this issue swung around. Prop 8 passed just 4 years ago, now it seems like every day I read about some new state or country bringing a marriage bill to a vote and most of the time they're passing. I'm happy about how fast it is. It is mindblowing even to the biggest supporters. I mean, when 2013 started there were only 11 countries with legalized marriage equality. Within the last week that number is at 13, and at the very least the number will be 14 or 15 (France and likely the UK) by or during summer. It's amazing.
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Apr 17, 2013 18:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW4DXOAXF8U This is just unbelievably amazing
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Apr 17, 2013 23:23
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Lucas County commissioners have thrown their support behind the campaign for an Ohio constitutional amendment to allow same-sex marriage. The commissioners unanimously approved a resolution Tuesday endorsing the Ohio Freedom to Marry and Religious Freedom Amendment, a statewide ballot proposal that could go on the November ballot. They are Ohio’s first board of commissioners to officially support the marriage-equality campaign, according to FreedomOhio, which is collecting signatures for a referendum to repeal the 2004 state constitutional amendment recognizing only unions of a man and woman as a marriage in Ohio.
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Apr 18, 2013 00:43
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I live in Ohio and while this would be awesome, I don't really know if it could pass in a non-presidential election year. Does anyone have any hard numbers to confirm/deny this gut feeling though?
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Apr 18, 2013 00:49
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Yadoppsi posted:I live in Ohio and while this would be awesome, I don't really know if it could pass in a non-presidential election year. Does anyone have any hard numbers to confirm/deny this gut feeling though? That's among all adults and an off year election turnout will be more conservative and older than the general public.
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Apr 18, 2013 01:38
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I just popped over to the Path of Exile game official forum (game is New Zealand developed) and someone already wrote a congrats post. Immediately followed by some dude's giant ronpaul.txt about how "hurf durf government shouldn't be doing licenses at all so this is bad!" Disclaimer: I used to actually think that too.... when I was 16
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Apr 18, 2013 01:42
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A Delaware House committee on Wednesday voted 4-1 to advance a bill that would extend marriage rights to same-sex couples.
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Apr 18, 2013 01:57
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A "traditional" marriage rally in Hinckley, Minnesota had less than disappointing turn out. I can't stop laughing at the pathetic shirt toss into a crowd of of like 8 people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z94OrMO8I_M
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Apr 18, 2013 04:03
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Cocks Cable posted:A "traditional" marriage rally in Hinckley, Minnesota had less than disappointing turn out. I can't stop laughing at the pathetic shirt toss into a crowd of of like 8 people. "We're not going away. Maybe the weather kept some of us away, but we're not going away." *camera pans to the ten people in the crowd*
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Apr 18, 2013 04:21
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Zero VGS posted:I just popped over to the Path of Exile game official forum (game is New Zealand developed) and someone already wrote a congrats post. Immediately followed by some dude's giant ronpaul.txt about how "hurf durf government shouldn't be doing licenses at all so this is bad!" The sort of person with that opinion isn't wrong so much as painfully naive. Yes, I think it would be better, in an ideal world, to completely separate the religious notion of "marriage," and the benefits that one receives from a partnership/union recognized by the government; however, I do recognize, as I think everyone should, that there's no stuffing that genie back in the bottle. We can't undo centuries of common law and societal perception of what a marriage is versus what a civil union is, therefore we are obliged to offer equality to everyone.
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Apr 18, 2013 05:34
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PT6A posted:The sort of person with that opinion isn't wrong so much as painfully naive. Yes, I think it would be better, in an ideal world, to completely separate the religious notion of "marriage," and the benefits that one receives from a partnership/union recognized by the government; however, I do recognize, as I think everyone should, that there's no stuffing that genie back in the bottle. We can't undo centuries of common law and societal perception of what a marriage is versus what a civil union is, therefore we are obliged to offer equality to everyone. The fact is that "marriage" is an inherently civil thing, and religion had to fight to get control over it in history, which it has rightfully lost again.
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Apr 18, 2013 05:37
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Install Gentoo posted:The fact is that "marriage" is an inherently civil thing, and religion had to fight to get control over it in history, which it has rightfully lost again. I do agree with that. At the same time, we can't ignore the more recent historical context either, which is that the institution of marriage was managed in large part by the church. Thus, we're left with a bizarre intertwining of civil and religious meaning that can't be easily separated. The right answer is that the state should maintain the institution of marriage, called marriage, and offer it equally to everyone. Religious authorities should be free to do whatever hateful poo poo they feel like, including not marrying homosexuals or interracial couples, since the important consequences of marriage derive from the legal recognition thereof by the state. I should be allowed to start my own religion, and to have a "marriage" between by TV and my fridge if I so choose, but in the end it'll just be a farcical ceremony that no one, least of all the law, gives a flying gently caress about. In its most basic form, marriage is simply a contract, and thus it should be administered by the state and offered equally to everyone, just as every other legal contract is.
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Apr 18, 2013 05:51
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Loving Life Partner posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW4DXOAXF8U Seriously don't miss this video, after the bill is signed everyone stands up and spontaneously (I think?) starts singing a traditional Maori love song.
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Apr 18, 2013 11:12
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platedlizard posted:Seriously don't miss this video, after the bill is signed everyone stands up and spontaneously (I think?) starts singing a traditional Maori love song.  I believe the song is called 'Pokarekare Ana', the wiki has lyrics.Also worth watching is an EPIC speech by Pakuranga MP Maurice Williamson in support of gay marriage. Also amazing.
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Apr 18, 2013 11:17
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French journalist attacked by anti-same sex marriage protesters, they broke his camera. Another protest turned violent after anti-same sex marriage far right militants attacked the police. Movement leader Frigide Barjot said "by calling non-homophobes homophobes, they caused violence where there wasn't before"  http://www.tetu.com/actualites/france/violences-lors-dune-nouvelle-manif-pour-tous-pres-de-lassemblee-23237
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Apr 18, 2013 13:07
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A Texas Senate panel on Wednesday approved a bill which seeks to repeal the state's law making gay sex a crime. The Senate Committee on Criminal Justice advanced the measure sponsored by Democratic Senator Jose Rodriguez with a 5-0 vote. The bill advances to their full Senate now.
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Apr 18, 2013 22:05
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Sweeney Tom posted:A Texas Senate panel on Wednesday approved a bill which seeks to repeal the state's law making gay sex a crime. The Senate Committee on Criminal Justice advanced the measure sponsored by Democratic Senator Jose Rodriguez with a 5-0 vote. The bill advances to their full Senate now. Wouldn't this just be a symbolic act, since the Lawrence v. Texas decision already made that law unconstitutional?
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Apr 18, 2013 22:32
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ponzicar posted:Wouldn't this just be a symbolic act, since the Lawrence v. Texas decision already made that law unconstitutional? Yes, but it's like the whole deal with Mississippi ratifying the 13th admentment a century and a half later, some poo poo you have to do to save face even if it doesn't change the reality on the ground.
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Apr 18, 2013 22:40
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ponzicar posted:Wouldn't this just be a symbolic act, since the Lawrence v. Texas decision already made that law unconstitutional? Yeah, but plenty of people bitch that Alabama et all haven't repealed their segregation laws yet.
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Apr 18, 2013 22:40
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Yeah, I suppose a symbolic act like that getting enough support is still good progress.
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Apr 18, 2013 22:44
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One of the planks of the Texas GOP is overturning Lawrence and enforcing sodomy laws again 
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Apr 18, 2013 22:48
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:One of the planks of the Texas GOP is overturning Lawrence and enforcing sodomy laws again Have they ever expressed any plans for how they would go about over turning a Supreme Court decision? The only think I can think of would be to start enforcing the sodomy laws again and send the results up the courts on the hope that the Supreme Court would hear it and overturn their ruling. But they would never get a positive result from that course of action. So do they have another route or is it a bunch of feel good crap they use to comfort themselves?
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Apr 18, 2013 22:58
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:One of the planks of the Texas GOP is overturning Lawrence and enforcing sodomy laws again I think they actually dropped that in the most recent state convention.
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Apr 18, 2013 22:58
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cafel posted:Have they ever expressed any plans for how they would go about over turning a Supreme Court decision? The only think I can think of would be to start enforcing the sodomy laws again and send the results up the courts on the hope that the Supreme Court would hear it and overturn their ruling. But they would never get a positive result from that course of action. So do they have another route or is it a bunch of feel good crap they use to comfort themselves? Pass a constitutional amendment. e: well I can't say that's their actual plan, but it's the only way to overturn Lawrence without the supreme court just changing their mind. cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 18, 2013 |
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Apr 18, 2013 23:03
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cheetah7071 posted:Pass a constitutional amendment. Ah, I figured it would be a more state level thing considering it's a plank in the Texas GOP. I guess they're not even going to put a veneer of actionability onto it.
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Apr 18, 2013 23:05
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cafel posted:Ah, I figured it would be a more state level thing considering it's a plank in the Texas GOP. I guess they're not even going to put a veneer of actionability onto it. It's not really (legally) any different than those Democratic planks which include "repealing Citizen's United".
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Apr 18, 2013 23:18
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ponzicar posted:Wouldn't this just be a symbolic act, since the Lawrence v. Texas decision already made that law unconstitutional? Yes, but that doesn't stop idiots cops that don't understand the laws. Senator Rodriguez actually had an incident in his district in 2009 where a moron cop tried to use the "homosexual conduct" law against two guys kissing in public. Not only was this 6 years after Lawrence but even for decades before Lawrence when the law was still enforced it was only prosecuted when the officer clearly saw someone in the act of gay oral or anal sex, which obviously was not the case. http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_12790543 quote:He called police at 12:30 a.m. June 29 because he said the guards and restaurant had discriminated against the group after two of his friends kissed in public. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Apr 18, 2013 |
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Apr 18, 2013 23:32
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This is really minor news but Jackie Chan came out of the closet... as an ally of marriage equality.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxpsUMZk_C0
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Apr 19, 2013 06:19
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