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Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
Redcloak obviously believes that Xykon wouldn't be able to tell that the fake phylactery is a fake, and I don't see any reason to assume he would be wrong.

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Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Did you read that? As Aumanor said, that states (bold mine)

quote:

If the subject remains in the new form for 24 consecutive hours, it must attempt a Will save. If this save fails, it loses its ability to understand language, as well as all other memories of its previous form, and its Hit Dice and hit points change to match an average creature of its new form. These abilities and statistics return to normal if the effect is later ended.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
Seems like Durkon (or another dwarf) could still cast (Greater) Dispel Magic on them, he'd just get turned to stone afterwards? I doubt that's where this is going but it seems like an obvious flaw in the plan.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Rowling posted:

'Accio' only works on inanimate objects. While people or creatures may be indirectly moved by 'Accio-ing' objects that they are wearing or holding, this carries all kinds of risks because of the likelihood of injury to the person or beast attached to an object travelling at close to the speed of light.

A perfectly reasonable statement, to be sure.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

MikeJF posted:

They could get Wish, right?

No way Rich touches Wish or Miracle with a ten-foot pole.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

AnoHito posted:

That's why the "gun beats wand" thing is pretty genius. They could do a lot of that stuff, but they're afraid of muggles responding aggressively to people different from them and killing them all. It's why they stay in hiding in general.

I'm about 99% sure the "gun beats wand" thing is apocaryphal and Rowling never said that. But even aside from that, this is completely incongruent with the actual text. At no point are wizards shown to be afraid of muggles—they consistently hold them in contempt, whether maliciously or just patronizingly. Hagrid claims in the first book that the secrecy is because muggles are annoying, Arthur Weasley's the head of the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts office but has almost no understanding of the muggle world, Hermione modifies her parents's memories so they think they're Australian and have no children because they don't want to flee and obviously she knows better than them. The ministry casually messes with the mind of the President of the United States (and presumably his staff) so he forgets a scheduled phone call with the PM, because that's more convenient to them than waiting until the PM is free. I'm not even sure if Fudge was the minister anymore at that point, but they still value his time so much more than that of any muggle. Any muggle technology is dismissed as a "replacement for magic" (including by Hermione, a muggleborn), even though that doesn't really make sense—how can muggles seek to replace something they believe doesn't exist? The witch burnings are treated as a joke.

If guns were that effective against wizards, why doesn't any wizard/witch use them, even muggleborns? Do the Death Eaters never run into a muggle with a shotgun or something? Most wizards don't even know what a gun is, of course, but surely someone would have figured it out. Or to take another angle, is there any reason to think the Shield Hats Fred and George sell wouldn't be effective against guns (or at least small arms fire)?

And just in general, it seems unlikely that wizards just decided (globally), in the seventeenth century, that muggles were going to suddenly decide to kill them all and they should hide. If you mean that they stay in hiding because muggles might kill them all if they reveal themselves, I don't really see how that wouldn't just end in wizards seizing muggle nuclear arsenals and killing the muggles instead.

The Question IRL posted:

This is my answer.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodWitchLeigh/status/1105307775754592256?s=19

You can blame the UK Megathread on D&D for radicalising me into going socialist.

Apparently Cursed Child has a time traveling Harry watch as Voldemort murders his parents, even though he could stop him, because the future is pretty nice and changing anything would risk that or something? And another character describes this as "heroic" (not even after the fact, literally as they're standing there watching). That's peak centrism right there. (Though of course Rowling didn't write that, but she did say it's canon)

Sky Shadowing posted:

I'll argue this point hard because Voldemort is an ongoing disaster, and the most important thing about a disaster isn't what happens once you stop the disaster, it's about stopping the disaster in the first place.

Like a car parked on a train track. The train bearing down on you isn't a time to have a discussion about the destination. The train bearing down on you is the time to MOVE THE loving CAR. Once the car is parked safely on the side of the road, THEN do you have the debate about "how the gently caress did we get stuck on the train tracks in the first place? Will it happen again? How do we never get stuck on the train tracks again?"

Yes, it's helpful if your driver says "poo poo, the car broke down, let's take it to a repair shop," but only if that statement doesn't take away time that could be spent moving the car.

The epilogue doesn't really give much indication that there's been significant change in the 19 years after Voldemort's death, though.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
We've also seen V cast Mind Blank, which is a 8th level spell.

But he might have meant showing off those cleric levels to his family.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
New strip.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

"The last time we saw you, you sent a sand elemental to kill us. That was not exactly a sign of friendly relations."


Resurrection spell, and Redcloak would probably accept it because it would at least be some chance to continue to work towards the plan. He can't do that if he stays dead.

Wouldn't that cost him a level though? He needs a level 9 spell slot for Thor's plan to work. Though I suppose he's probably leveled off-screen with all those monsters they've been fighting.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
Oona and Greyview remain the best.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
1213

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Random Stranger posted:

Considering epic level spells are holding those in place, I suspect that the gate would be able to stand up to it. But it's also one of those things I wouldn't want to put money gp on.

Superb Dispelling is also epic though.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
V had been researching a bunch of divinations to find someone V fully (and correctly) believed was still on the material plane. It's likely said divinations would fail if the target was on another plane than the caster.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
Liches have the same strength (and dexterity) as when they were alive. They just gain +2 to all mental stats and no longer have a constitution score. Xykon being strong enough to crush V's windpipe with his bare phalanges is only related to him being a lich in that it's why his phalanges are bare.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

ultrafilter posted:

With the last strip, Rich is basically promising us that Sunny will dispel the polymorph spell on Bloodfeast. So Belkar definitely can't die just yet.

Wouldn't the antimagic cone only suppress the polymorph, not dispel it?

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
No, I remember that too and it was a Marvel comic. It's canon.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Parahexavoctal posted:

... Serini will probably recognize the Monster in the Dark, won't she.

What kind of monster he is, or literally recognize MitD?

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
Don't vampires just use cha whenever something calls for con?

e: The undead type specifically says they use charisma for concentration checks. Guess that means that since Nokrud managed to make the Spellsplinter concentration check (assuming that's how it works), it will probably be pretty unlikely for Xykon to fail it. Assuming Xykon has max ranks in concentration, anyway, but that seems pretty likely.

Staltran fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 14, 2021

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
We see an evil adventuring party plane shift into Roy's mom's living room, so yes. She'd need more spells to actually find him, though. Also the celestials probably don't like having living people on their mountain.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
New strip

Love how confused Roy is

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Have we ever seen Xykon's Contingency go off? Surprised to see it on the list, doesn't seem like Xykon's style... oh dear now I'm underestimating Xykon

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Vizuyos posted:

It looks like one of the energy tendrils might be going through them, but is it an actual physical stabbing? The energy tendrils don't look like what the Snarl looked like in the crayon flashbacks, and what they're doing to that guy doesn't look much like any of the Snarl-stabbings we saw in the crayon flashbacks.





The different look could just be a style difference, but the lack of claws seems a bit more important.

There's no "might be" about it, zoom in. It is 100% going straight through the torso of that guy. And aren't the crayon flashbacks explicitly inaccurate retellings? Maybe Shojo just visualized the stabbings with claws. If the snarl isn't supposed to be stabbing that soldier, then drawing one of the tendrils going straight through him is a very weird decision, especially when the tendrils stab people in all prior accounts. No blood, admittedly.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

MikeJF posted:

Didn't Rich call out the relative youth of the world out as the reason Familicide didn't totally wipe out dragons?

I think that meant relative to the real world, or other fantasy settings.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
No way Xykon has the patience to figure out how to do it, though.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

TheAceOfLungs posted:

Come to think, they never actually said it was between *Girard's* butt cheeks, and there is a statue of Kraagor nearby...

Yes they did.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1195.html

"Yeah, I remember Dad telling me that, too."

Also third panel seems a lot like how Eugene speaks.

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1193.html

"Julia" has no reaction to learning the world might be destroyed, because Eugene already knew that. Then panics when Roy is surprised by the lack of reaction.

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1192.html
Gets flustered when asked to teach the improved version of Sending to V.

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1196.html
First panel is pretty funny in hindsight.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

ikanreed posted:

We know very little of Julia's personality besides snarkquip.

Meaning we won't have enough clues to spot a fraud, so it's probably not a fraud.


Gnoman posted:

I usually stop reading the comic threads when they turn into a Star Wars discussion five or six pages in, but it wasn't until this comic that I saw this theory pop up.

On this strip's thread, the very first comment is suspicion about the "she" line, and the third one is a "not Julia" suspicion.

I dunno I think we just might have enough clues

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Splicer posted:

I don't think Eugene would correct Roy on or even know Julia's actual age.

Really? I'd expect him to remember when Julia was born, and surely a wizard is capable of basic arithmetic. And probably wouldn't be able to resist correcting him, even if that didn't help hi keep his cover.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
I don't think Eugene gives a poo poo about his kids's birthdays, I think he just seems like he'd remember dates/numbers in general really easily. And he'd probably have to learn them back when their mother was still alive.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Clarste posted:

I feel you'd especially not need to memorize someone's birthday if you have another person around to remind you every time it matters.

Also, being smart (high int) doesn't means you memorize every random date and number that doesn't matter to you. In fact you are less likely to, imo.

That seems much more like high wis.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
I think Bloodfeast is going to tell Belkar about this somehow. Eugene dismisses his fuckup with "good thing they don't have a druid", not even considering there might be some non-magical way his fuckup might be discovered. Also possible that Oona (or maybe Greyview?) will somehow spill the beans. Of course this only really makes sense if Roy hasn't figured out it's Eugene.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

fool of sound posted:

It occurs to me that, given that individual door dungeons respawn and presumably reset, the gauntlet is unclearable by an entirely magical party, simply because they run out of spell slots and have to rest part way though each adventuring day.

Eh, martials would very likely run out of hp before the casters run out of spell slots in 3.5. Plus, y'know, Team Evil is all full casters, unless you count MitD, so if we assumed that to be true then that would completely eliminate the time pressure on the order.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

ConfusedUs posted:

It has Wall of Force. At Will. That spell is an I-Win button with even the slightest amount of thought. It's huge. It's impenetrable (except with disintegrate or dispel). It can be shaped into a wall or a dome.

Although now that I think of it, Sunny is actually a really good counter to that. No invisible forcefields if there's no magic. Huh. Also Beholders get disintegrate at will. Huh.

Those two are going to cancel each other out in the big fight, aren't they?


Gwyneth Palpate posted:

Except the part where Wall of Force is immune to antimagic fields. :haw:

Can't dispel them either. You need Mordenkainen's disjunction, or a sphere of annihilation or rod of cancellation. I don't think anyone present has any of those, so disintegrate is the only way to get rid of those. So V and Sunny, and V might not have disintegrate prepared, let alone more than a couple times.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

ConfusedUs posted:

Ah I was thinking of 5e Wall of Force, which is somehow less broken.

Both versions are still instantly destroyed by Disintegrate, which Sunny can do at will also.

The 5e version can't be dispelled either :v:. Antimagic field does work, though. (Then again, in 5e you need to see the wall of force to dispel it, so you also need see invisibility/true sight/whatever. That's probably unintended though and most DMs would likely allow you to disintegrate one without seeing it.)

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

girl dick energy posted:

:allears:

It wouldn't have worked as just a 'lmao AI, am I right?', but making it a joke both about that and OOTS characters having simplified hands, and it's back to hilarious again.

Wait wht's the AI joke?

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

DeadBonesBrook posted:

D&D 5E is getting a revision next year, and I doubt OOTS will finish before that, but I'm pretty sure it'll be done before 6E. This is due to 5E being a huge moneymaker for Hasbro/WOTC, and I can't see them fully transitioning to a new system anytime soon.

I doubt there will ever be a 6E, WotC seems to be done with numbered editions.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Android Blues posted:

Solos in 4e don't start existing until 3rd level onwards, which is also where 5e's legendary monsters start showing up. So yeah, that's the exact same in both editions!

I never played 4e, so there was also 1 (one) level three solo, which was in a setting book? Then one more solo at fourth level, in an adventure named for that monster? One MM level 5 solo, which most parties are unlikely to want to fight (Unicorn in 5e)? Then zero level 6 or 7 solos, three level 8, zero level 9, and then from level 10 onwards there's a lot?

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Android Blues posted:

I checked earlier - there's two level 3s, two level 4s, one each at 5 and 6, then two 7s, two 8s, and two 9s. Which isn't as many as 4e (which had five Monster Manuals to pull from by the end of its lifespan), but it's a fair spread!

It's also super easy to just add 2/day legendary resistance and 3/round legendary actions to any creature, because they're generic mechanics designed to be modular on top of an existing statblock.

As far as I can tell one of those level 3s is an NPC from an adventure, as is one of the level 4s. The other level 3 is from Theros, though I suppose Fleecemane Lions are easy enough to integrate anywhere. The other level 4 is the Thessalhydra from Hunt for the Thessalhydra. The level 5 is a celestial as I mentioned earlier, so pretty unlikely to be an enemy. The CR6 and CR7 legendary monsters from Saltsmarsh didn't show on my 5etools search for some reason, so that's two I missed. Also I the Reduced-Threat Aboleth showed as CR10, but honestly that's digging the bottom of the barrel anyway. Not sure what the CR9s you mean are—I see a specific Tiefling, two specific Beholders, one specific human, and one... avatar of a god or something from an adventure?

And of course you can make your homebrew legendary monsters.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
Bold of you to assume there's no magic item or spell in a 3.5 splatbook that would help with that.

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Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

habeasdorkus posted:

You could Odysseus it by having someone secure you so you can't move, and then have someone with whatever level restoration is needed to return your sanity afterwards. Or, more simply, you have someone with a non-visual version of sight/detection be able to confirm that yep, that thar's an unspeakable horror alright. Likewise, you could put some type of alarm on the stasis spell enchantment so if it's never been triggered you know it's still right there.

Redcloak has used Implosion and Gate today, so unless he's level 19 or 20 (IIRC we know he's not epic level) he's out of 9th level spells other than his Domain spell until he refreshes. And I'm assuming his Domain spell is his half of the Gate Shift spell. So that's already reducing his oomph a bunch. The OOTSforums thread has him at Lv 17+, so I guess it's possible Implosion or Gate was his domain spell and he's level 17, in which case he's out of top level spells entirely

Implosion is Destruction domain, which I'm 99% sure Redcloak has.

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