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Hi there! Many of you are by now familiar with Nate Silver's map of non-black voting trends across the USA: This is a fine chart for places like Nebraska or Minnesota or Alabama, but in places with a large Native or Latino population such as Texas or New Mexico it makes the map dramatically more blue than what the white population represents. I was bored at work today and decided to just look at white voting trends, and then narrowed it to just white males because a) it makes the results even more dramatic, as white females vote slightly more left-wing than white males and b) let's face it 90% of this forum fits under that distinction. I happened to find a place online listing the vote percentage per state, as well as the exit poll results of just white men. Here they are, with the percentage difference white men voted compared to their state as a whole: code:tl;dr: In every single state the white male vote was more pro-McCain than the average, from 1% in Nebraska to 34% in Mississippi (in which, among white male voters, McCain beat Obama by 81 points.) Nationally, the difference was 12 points. Here's what the map would look like if whitey had his way:  Also bear in mind that California, which represents nearly half of Obama's electoral votes, is a state he wins by less than 2 points. "But wait!" You say. "What about young people? Aren't they really left-wing?" Well, yes, to some degree:  But a funny thing happens if we just look at our fellow crackers:  There's no further breakdown among males and females 18-29 only, so we have to do some extrapolation. Obama beat McCain 52.9-45.7. That means that white people 18-29 were roughly 1.3% more Obama-voting than the national average. And given the fact that white women generally voted about 5% more for Obama:  ...And we are faced with the conclusion that white males aged 18-29 voted more right-wing than the national average. So the next time you see your friend's Facebook wall full of Qassam Counts, the next time your drunken buddy at a party starts complaining about how there's no White Entertainment Television, the next time you see a tea party protest full of angry whiteys, the next time you hear a hot blonde talking about how she likes Rush Limbaugh, the next time you read a post in GBS stating that all illegals should be deported, the next time you hear a co-worker or uncle rambling about birth certificates or welfare or the ZOG or ACORN, you'll know why. White people, white men in particular, are right-wing poo poo.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edit: Updates to OP. Update I: Is this phenomenon something that occured because white male voters as a whole were racist against Barack Obama personally? Not significantly enough to be a measurable factor. They're just simply right-wing poo poo. 2008: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1 Actual Election Results: 52.9-45.7 White Males Only: 41 - 57 Difference: (R) +11.9 2004: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html Actual Election Results: 50.7 - 48.3 White Males Only: 62 - 37 Difference: (R) + 11.3 2000: http://observationalism.com/2008/11/09/selected-exit-poll-comparisons-2000-2004-2008/ Actual Eleciton Results: 47.9 - 48.4 White Males Only: 60 - 36 Difference: (R) + 12.1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update II: I posted earlier about the discrepancies between the white male vote vs. the total vote: 12.1% in 2000, 11.3% in 2004, 11.9% in 2008. But does this mean that white males were more liberal-voting in 2004? No, a roughly 12% difference seems to be a good baseline. The change in 2004 was that all the other groups also shifted rightward for that election, thus hiding part of the white male's right-wing shithood (look at the 'vs. 2000' column):  Among white males in that election, Bush beat Kerry by 25 points:  ...fully 14 points more than how white females voted. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update III: code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update IV: Shops-At-Gap, the fact that you seem to think that saying "white males are right-wing poo poo" and "blacks are criminals" are equivalent statements belies your own retarded prejudice against blacks, not any of mine towards my own race (and, let's get serious, yours.) the comparison is invalid for two major reasons: 1) the majority of black people are not criminals, not even remotely, whereas the vast majority of white males are conservative, and 2) to the extent that blacks are criminals, this phenomenon is centralized almost exclusively amongst the poor, whereas whitey conservativism transcends lines of economic class. please keep this in mind in your future blitherings tia --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update V: One thing I was interested in was how much the difference in the minority vote really made between 2004 and 2008. In 2004, here was the breakdown: code:code:(.77 * .43) + (.23 * .70) = 49.21% Democrat. Under this example, Barack Obama would have lost the popular vote in 2008. Is the reverse true? If there was the 2008 number of non-crackers (27%) in 2004 and they voted Democrat in the same higher percentage (80%), but otherwise white voters (73%) voted Democrat in the same proportion (41%), would Kerry have won? (.73 * .41) + (.27 * .80) = 51.53% Democrat. Kerry would have won the popular vote in 2004. What about if, say, in 2004 there were a 2008 number of non-white voters voting according to 2008 patterns, excepting that black voters only increased by 1% instead of 2% and were still only voting Democrat at the Kerry percentage of 88%, to control partially for a possible impetus to vote for Obama based on his race? In that event non-whites would vote Democrat at a rate of : (.12 * .88) + (.09 * .67) + (.02 * 62) + (.03 * 66) / .26 = 76.2%. Plugging that into our equation: (.74 * .41) + (.26 * .762) = 50.15% Democrat. Kerry would have won the popular vote in 2004. tl;dr: 1. The election of Barack Obama is tied most directly and most coherently to the increase both of non-white voters and their increased identification with the Democratic Party. 2. If the non-white voter demographics in 2008 were the same as they were in 2004, Barack Obama would have lost in 2008. 3. If the non-white voter demographics were the same in 2004 as they were in 2008, John Kerry would have been elected in 2004. 4. The Republicans are hosed prettymuch indefinitely unless they can start garnering more than 25% of the non-white vote and/or 65%+ of the white vote. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update VI:  whites under 50k vote 39 points more Republican than nonwhites under 50k --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update VII: What a lot of people, especially liberals, do not realize is that while people do vote to some extent on economic class, they do not really vote on policy, and to a much greater extent than either of those they vote on "image." Republicans understand this. This is why Dukakis in the tank sunk him, this is why Bush I struggled against being the "wimp President," this is why Republican commentators keep pumping the outrage-well on Barack Obama's bowling ability or choice in hamburger topping. This is why all Republicans attempt to paint Democratic males as weak elitist queers and Democratic females as hideous, emasculating dykes. It's branding. This is why John Kerry pretended to be a hunter in 2004. This is why Hillary Clinton ate hot dogs with union members during the 2008 primaries. This is why Dubya's handlers marketed him as a born-again tough-talkin' cowboy instead of a rich-boy Yaley male cheerleader. For better or worse, race is a major part of image. The difference between white voters and black voters in 2008 was 52 points. This is greater than the difference between:
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Wesley Button posted:i didn't know all white people lived in the south and that we can make blanket assumptions about a race if they're white but nice job compiling useless statistics to wipe your racist retard tears with is Illinois "the South?" California? Nevada? Alaska? New York? Connecticut? Pennsylvania? Michigan? New Mexico? Rhode Island? all of these had white males voting ten points or more towards McCain than their state average
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May 7, 2009 00:30
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Wesley Button posted:On average, white people are richer than blacks. All white people are rich. I am smart. Black people have on average been poorer. No black peopel are rich. I am a smart adult. on average, white people are richer than blacks on average, white males are more shitheadedly right-wing than everybody else
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May 7, 2009 00:31
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noted white male right-wing shithead Wesley Button upset that facts depict white males as right wing shitheads
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May 7, 2009 00:32
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Wesley Button posted:And as we all know this is among the groups with the highest turnout, what
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May 7, 2009 00:34
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Wesley Button posted:nice backpedaling you human being racist i'm sorry that in a thread depicting statistical averages you cannot grasp the implicit and explicit assumption that i was talking in generalities but if it makes you stop crying angry cracker tears all over both my thread and your Grilled Stuf't Burrito then yes i am super racist and also probably a race traitor who will get his when RAHOWA comes, now please get out
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May 7, 2009 00:37
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Ace of Rakes posted:It's LF bandwagoning and a poor substitute for actual consideration of racial relations. code:
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May 7, 2009 00:45
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Wesley Button posted:lol i just think it's funny that you think the minimal turnout in young whites is sufficient evidence to believe that their voting patterns can be extended to their entire race shocker! you didn't read the thread. i extrapolated only the specific subgroup of white males 18-29 based on the general rate 18-29s voted plus the fact that white women vote more heavily Dem than white men. as for the whole race: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1 code:
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May 7, 2009 00:52
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Wesley Button posted:Ah so the reason every one of those people voted for the Republican was because of Obama's skin color. That assertion isn't racist at all, as you've provided litanies of evidence to support your statement. Goodjob while racism is certainly a factor, i never mentioned their motivations, simply that the facts show they're right wing poo poo please try to keep up
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May 7, 2009 01:05
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Peanut President posted:Seriously goatstein have you perhaps thought that most white people in this country voted against Obama because they're poor and stupid (the republican base)? yes! this manifests as them being right wing poo poo
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May 7, 2009 02:17
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seriously lol @ this thread
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May 7, 2009 02:19
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Latina females voted heavily Democratic? HORG BLORF RACISM
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May 7, 2009 02:19
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enter the cave of GBS, kick over the hive and watch all the blind albino termites spill out angrily
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May 7, 2009 02:37
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Is this phenomenon something that occured because white male voters as a whole were racist against Barack Obama personally? Not significantly enough to be a measurable factor. They're just simply right-wing poo poo. 2008: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1 Actual Election Results: 52.9-45.7 White Males Only: 41 - 57 Difference: (R) +11.9 2004: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html Actual Election Results: 50.7 - 48.3 White Males Only: 62 - 37 Difference: (R) + 11.3 2000: http://observationalism.com/2008/11/09/selected-exit-poll-comparisons-2000-2004-2008/ Actual Eleciton Results: 47.9 - 48.4 White Males Only: 60 - 36 Difference: (R) + 12.1
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May 7, 2009 02:38
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rogenomics posted:you still haven't proven they are right wing hmm yes possibly and moreover we could all just be brains in vats living a false reality WHO'S TO SAY ANYTHING IS REAL MAN 
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May 7, 2009 02:40
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Quotidien posted:this is goony as gently caress hth quasi-ironically enjoy StuffWhitePeopleLike about it you ward cleaver motherfucker Goatstein fucked around with this message at 21:53 on May 7, 2009 |
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May 7, 2009 02:46
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Quotidien posted:i think if a majority of a population has a characteristic the entire population has that characteristic. i am literallly a child yes you have caught me i literally believe that all white males vote republican, goongratulations you have peered through my illusions of logic and my pitfalls of contradictory statistics, return a hero to your native land of gbs
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May 7, 2009 02:53
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Quotidien posted::backpeddling: i'm pretty sure master button was just trolling but you really are this stupid, jesus christ
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May 7, 2009 02:56
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Ferrinus posted:hahahahaha you can writhe and squirm all you want goatstein but he's got you as a racist the thing i hate most about white men ('woogers,' i calls 'em) is how they done vote republican in much higher percentages than the voter average
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May 7, 2009 03:03
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Nonsense posted:JDPON should rightfully manifest now and fulfill the wishes of billions. JDPON is not necessary, if the last election only consisted of Latinos, blacks, Asians, Natives and "Other" the vote would have went 79.98% Democrat white people are the enemy of social progress, sorry facts prove it
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May 7, 2009 03:14
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Mental-Rectangle posted:Doesn't the male/female gap get narrower with each generation? i've seen no evidence one way or another on that but i would guess it's fairly consistent across age groups, anecdotally i think young males are somewhat more right-wing than young females quote:Even if we extrapolate that 47% of Obama's white voters were male, which is the most conservative estimate we could make, that would still mean that a majority of 18-29 white males voted for Obama. a majority could very well have voted for obama, just a lesser majority than the 7.2-point national average
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May 7, 2009 03:18
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Quotidien posted:yo i'm literally a marxist-leninist holy gently caress my sensibilities
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May 7, 2009 03:52
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Wesley Button posted:more like "Latina females are left-wing saints i don't hate them because they're white i hate them because they're right-wing tia
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May 7, 2009 05:21
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Wesley Button posted:here hang on let me attach a parachute to the front of your bike because the way you're backpedaling you'll need it when did i say that racism against barack obama was the cause of this phenomenon
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May 7, 2009 05:22
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hey rorscach remember when you made that thread making fun of fat people and me and quixotic totally poo poo it up? that was pretty funny and i understand that you might bear some kind of hilarious e-grudge. you should not poo poo up my thread though because my threads are much better than yours, also i am prettier and more popular
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May 7, 2009 05:25
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Wesley Button posted:lol you tried for two pages and then fat people came in and said i was right and we all made fun of fat ppl for like 7 more pages that isn't what happened at all!! o__________O
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May 7, 2009 05:29
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Loveline posted:this thread is an obamanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-GaXa8tSBE
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May 7, 2009 05:33
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Redgrendel2001 posted:the latent whte guilt in this thread is palpable white guilt lmao
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May 7, 2009 16:54
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Alcohol Kills posted:So should I, as a person with light skin, feel guilty about not voting or what? you should feel guilty about not voting whether or not you're white* *equal time: blorf voting solves nothing maaaan
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May 7, 2009 16:58
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this thread isn't about whether or not you are obligated to vote you moron, if you want to argue about that let me direct you to roughly ten thousand other threads on the topic that have been made in LF since 2008
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May 7, 2009 17:03
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Alcohol Kills posted:no you're right, this thread is about why people born into a particular set of genes should be ashamed of themselves lol goddamn you people are amazingly stupid
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May 7, 2009 17:10
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Goatstein posted:enter the cave of GBS, kick over the hive and watch all the blind albino termites spill out angrily
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May 7, 2009 17:11
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Thinkmeats posted:troll thread draws disingenuous conclusions from stastics there's nothing disingenuous at all about it white males are on the whole are by far the furthest-right discernible voter group in the country this conclusion is based on substantive evidence and is unavoidable
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May 7, 2009 17:27
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stoneb posted:is there similar data for the 2004 elections? Goatstein posted:2004: Goatstein fucked around with this message at 17:32 on May 7, 2009 |
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May 7, 2009 17:29
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Alcohol Kills posted:so what? i don't recall anyone saying that you should be ashamed of yourself for being white, simply that white men vote far more right-wing than the average, i think you are projecting a complex of phantom niggers persecuting you
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May 7, 2009 17:34
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Alcohol Kills posted:So why post this thread you human being? i posted this thread to make idiots mad about facts they find personally unpleasant
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May 7, 2009 17:37
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Alcohol Kills posted:Still didn't vote, you're still a lazy oval office lmbo
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May 7, 2009 17:38
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Thinkmeats posted:right, hence disingenuous; while your point is technically true, it ignores all external reasons for the trend in favor of focusing exclusively on race, a la the hypothetical "$race: murderous poo poo" screed about murder rates by race there are many reasons that white males vote heavily republican. the primary overarching one, as Ferrinus mentioned, is: Ferrinus posted:since white males are currently on top of society, why would they vote to change society i however was simply shedding light on a phenomenon, not attempting to engage the reasons behind it.
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May 7, 2009 17:49
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May 7, 2009 17:50
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Gay white pride. Run away with me we will be white and male forever, together. ooh that brings up an interesting point: i wonder how much the presence of homosexual voters swings the total white male percentage leftward it's gotta be at least one or two percentage points
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May 7, 2009 17:53
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