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Discendo Vox posted:I'm not targeting people on freep. The presence of freep as a feedback and reinforcement mechanism puts people in its orbit out of reach for conventional persuasion. I'm targeting those more amenable to persuasive methods. That said, as Wanamingo indicates, the goals and methods involved with changing beliefs and ideology are different from the ones people are asserting against me. Tone arguments are invalid only when that disconnect, or miscommunication, about goals persists. Oh my god. Vox? Shut up. Shut the gently caress up. Shut the gently caress up because you are literally implying that we'd already have our rights if only we were loving pretending to be straight. I don't give a gently caress what any bigot says about me. They can be as bigoted as they loving want, but the instant they harm me, or try and stop me from being who I am, I'm going to fight for my rights. If people in this day and age refuse to get unbigoted, then gently caress them. We don't care what they say. We care what we do, and we care how we feel, not how a bunch of bass-ackwards bigots in the middle of rural kentucky or alabama or texas feel. gently caress them. They do not matter. We do not care what they think. They are going to die out in a generation or two, and that will be the end of it. But you sir are legitimizing and enabling their hateful screed by saying 'You know guys, maybe the truth is in the middle, maybe you could tone down that gayness thing just a bit'. I like you Vox. I do. I think you're at the very least trying to keep things from becoming an explosive cluster gently caress on this board at times. So believe me when I tell you that this is one time you need to stop, say you're sorry for implying that we should *EVER* try and appease bigots that hate the fact that we ever loving existed, and shut the gently caress up.
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Discendo Vox posted:I'm not targeting people on freep. The presence of freep as a feedback and reinforcement mechanism puts people in its orbit out of reach for conventional persuasion. I'm targeting those more amenable to persuasive methods. That said, as Wanamingo indicates, the goals and methods involved with changing beliefs and ideology are different from the ones people are asserting against me. Tone arguments are invalid only when that disconnect, or miscommunication, about goals persists. I'm still waiting for concrete historical examples of your strategy of playing to bigotry and blaming the victims ever working.
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You would think that people who are terrified of being hit on by someone of the same gender would want clearly defined cultural signifiers to let everyone know their orientation. Hell, you'd think most people would want that. It makes life so much easier.
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Jul 25, 2014 22:57
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Anyone else getting anything from the old guy who shot the two robbers in CA? I'm amazed I haven't seen the gun nuts come out in full force yet, but then again, it is Friday.
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The Iron Rose posted:That's what I've been getting from this. That regardless of how justified our cultural expression in an ideal world may be, in some circumstances it can reinforce homophobic thoughts. Well so what? Even if it's completely right, it's a morally reprehensible option that shouldn't even be on the table.
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Wanamingo posted:Well so what? Even if it's completely right, it's a morally reprehensible option that shouldn't even be on the table. I know? That's exactly what I said. It's a completely immoral option that I will have no part of. I like my pride parades and dykes on bikes, thank you very much  .
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botany posted:I'm still waiting for concrete historical examples of your strategy of playing to bigotry and blaming the victims ever working. I'm waiting for him to tell me in what setting it is appropriate to expect someone, especially an oppressed minority, to cater to the whims and sensibilities of bigots.
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The Iron Rose posted:I know? That's exactly what I said. It's a completely immoral option that I will have no part of. I like my pride parades and dykes on bikes, thank you very much Oh, alright then. I thought you were looking for an answer about why we're dogpiling on Vox, but I jumped the gun there. Sorry about that.
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Cowslips Warren posted:Anyone else getting anything from the old guy who shot the two robbers in CA? I'm amazed I haven't seen the gun nuts come out in full force yet, but then again, it is Friday. Wasn't one of the robbers pregnant?
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See, I think gay marriage would have happened years earlier if instead of restricting leather daddies making out with each other to gay pride parades, they had started doing it in front of churches on Sunday mornings. "Give us gay marriage and we'll be too busy at weddings to bother anymore."
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Radish posted:Wasn't one of the robbers pregnant? And she said so and he killed her anyway. Coldly, and without remorse.
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The Iron Rose posted:And she said so and he killed her anyway. Coldly, and without remorse. After not only chasing her off of his property but also after already hitting her once, causing her to collapse on the ground. Regardless of whether she was pregnant she was no longer a threat, if she ever was.
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Jul 26, 2014 00:06
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Guy was ancient, had broken bones from the attempted robbery, and was weird in the head. It's a thoroughly hosed-up situation. 
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Jul 26, 2014 00:17
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Guy was ancient, had broken bones from the attempted robbery, and was weird in the head. One news report said he was beaten to the point the robbers thought he was dead or unconscious. It was the third robbery on his house. Here's what I don't get: say he hadn't shot the second time and the lady survived. She could sue him for shooting her, or any kind of trauma if she had miscarried? There's so much poo poo flung around when it comes to 'I was robbed and when I shot the robber he survived and sued me and I owe him millions!' STDH stories.
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Cowslips Warren posted:One news report said he was beaten to the point the robbers thought he was dead or unconscious. It was the third robbery on his house. Well he was white and she was black soooooooooo...
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Who What Now posted:Well he was white and she was black soooooooooo... Not that it should matter (though I realize it often does), but she wasn't. She was white. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-80-killed-pregnant-burglar-face-charges-cops-article-1.1879554
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I had heard wrong then. Or this is another case of an old man shooting a pregnant woman. Probably the former.
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There were enough complicating factors here that this one falls more under "awful, tragic mess" than "infuriating miscarriage of justice." How depressing that these kind of incidents are common enough that I've begun to categorize them.
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seiferguy posted:Let's stop arguing with Vox, I just saw the most Ayn Randsian link on why you shouldn't teach your kids to share from an ex-girlfriend:
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Fionnoula posted:She's the dickhead on the bus who refuses to give up her seat for a little old lady with a cane and 2 bags of groceries. She's the one that when there's only one line open at the grocery store and you've got a dozen eggs and exact change, she rushes to cut you off with her cart that's filled to the brim with clothes and assorted cat food.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I don't think that's her opinion. I think she's speaking for people who hold that belief as an example as to why labels are bad. So I asked her what she was talking about and she replied: quote:I took labels that people need to fit others into neat little packages and got pissed about them. We have LGBT rights, womens right, etc. while I wish we could just stick with human rights. I'm about equality regardless of gender, ethnicity, and orientation. We are all people. I try to ignore the ignorant, bigoted(bigotted?), prejudice things people say because it's usually not me that is their problem. Think what you will of my post, but I would rather you adjust your perspective to seeing this post from a label rejection point of view. And also, people in general suck. I like animals better.
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Cowslips Warren posted:Anyone else getting anything from the old guy who shot the two robbers in CA? I'm amazed I haven't seen the gun nuts come out in full force yet, but then again, it is Friday. Oddly enough, someone posted the article in a goon facebook group a few days back and I got dog piled on for not saying the old man was hero for chasing down and executing a begging pregnant woman in an alley.
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The discussion with DV might be the worst thing that ever happened in this thread. There's been so many terrible opinions posted, but it's somehow worse when someone is completely self-aware, doesn't think they're being hateful and just doesn't get how hosed up their opinions are. The idiots on Facebook people post about who say they were just joking or delete people's comments or unfriend posters in this thread, or the awful people who respond to criticism of their forwards who say they just 'thought that was interesting' they lack a degree of a self-awareness that DV seems to have. Dude is just living in a version of non-reality that is very depressing.
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My first post in this thread was 1735 days ago. Please don't think I'm threadshitting. I was honestly disturbed by the derail.
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I should be enjoying myself now. I'm with friends, at a LAN competition. And yet here I am, putting myself through pain, for you people. ...no, thats a lie. I don't do it for you. I do it for me. On some level, I know I deserve it. This week in LL101!  More death threats than any other president in American history? Whatever, ypou thin skinned baby.  Yes, I remember when all those kids in Sandy Hook were shot with an abortion.  Bill is a greedy rear end in a top hat who won't help anyone. He is te conservative hero here.  "So Burger King named a burger after a sex act?" "What?!? No, you goddamn moron. What kind of braindead idiot would think that?"  Oops I forgot to make a point or tell a joke.  Oh, what'd you know, Here's an easy resource on Polish asylumn laws  Typical white person. He'l get out of bed but won't leave the sheets.  ...what the actual gently caress?  They're seriously gonna try this poo poo?  Why won't you listen to these things that all coincidentally happened more than 50 years ago?  Cuba - as dangerous as Honduras, according to Republicans.  But Israel warned the civilians they were going to massacre them. What more could Israel do, NOT massacre the women and children?  And if that person had been incapable of living outside of their mothers womb, they would have a case. And one of the loving weirdest robberies ever.  They're not even trying to justify it as preventing fraud anymore, now its "Denying Minorities voting rights builds their character".  Racist shithead fired for being a racist shithead - oh, I mean for TELLIN' IT LIKE IT IS!  ...I can't even begin to grasp this.
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How does someone even come to this conclusion? Are you somehow joined at the hip to your corporation? The individual is a person, a brick and mortar building or a coded website is not a person. How is that hard to grasp? quote:
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Jul 26, 2014 16:25
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Reverse racism doesn't exist because it's just racism...
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Fulchrum posted:I should be enjoying myself now. I'm with friends, at a LAN competition. And yet here I am, putting myself through pain, for you people.   http://www.buzzfeed.com/hnigatu/racial-microagressions-you-hear-on-a-daily-basis
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Breadallelogram posted:Reverse racism doesn't exist because it's just racism... Racism against whites does exist in a systemic and institutionalized form, which means that for practical purposes it doesn't exist.
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Jul 26, 2014 16:56
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Uh, well done.
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Who What Now posted:Racism against whites does exist in a systemic and institutionalized form, which means that for practical purposes it doesn't exist. You mean does not exist, I hope?
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darthbob88 posted:You mean does not exist, I hope? Yes. 
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gatesealer posted:How does someone even come to this conclusion? Are you somehow joined at the hip to your corporation? The individual is a person, a brick and mortar building or a coded website is not a person. How is that hard to grasp? 
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lmao I'm sure she's thrilled about being used by a site that posts racist memes then complains about the racism white people face.
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gatesealer posted:...Did they literally just admit that they are fine with Cubans because they vote republican? No, that liberals hate Cubans because they vote Republican (Not actually true). In the back of my head I was thinking "I feel like the picked an Asian woman because not having her be white proves their point somehow" but that's pretty amazing.
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gatesealer posted:...Did they literally just admit that they are fine with Cubans because they vote republican? No see, the Cubans are okay because they make it to dry land. People from Central America don't set foot on American soil when they enter without documentation, they just swim into our huge border moat and tread water there until an Obamaboat pulls them up and gives them their SSN and free house.
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Also Cubans are about to vote Democratic http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/08/3087889/poll-obama-got-big-share-of-cuban.html
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Cubans are ok because they're refugees escaping the horrors of socialized healthcare that has comparable outcomes to the US at 1/40th the cost. The Mexicans, on the other hand, are just leaving an easy carefree life of napping under sombreros, stealing american jobs in the process.
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