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Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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I cracked and ordered the Saga rules from Wayland Games.

I've got the updated Conquest Norman Cavalry box with 15 guys and a 12 Norman slingers blister on the way. I've got the Gripping Beast plastic Viking Hirdmen set and Egil Skalagrimmson. I've got the Company of Death and the Flemish mercenaries pack on the way. I have to be able to make a couple of forces out of this, don't I?

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Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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I went with a couple of Pegasus Hobbies dark age cottages ordered from Wayland with the Saga rules (as well as a Knight Models Batman and GCPD). I'll knock some more stuff together, but a couple of nifty looking cottages should really jazz up the gaming table.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Serotonin posted:

For anyone curious about Saga, this review/explanation says it better than I could

http://www.mikehobbs.co.uk/?p=2339

It does explain quite a lot.

I found my Viking Hirdmen, and I've already assembled and based 8 of them to use as a Saga unit (at some point, possibly while I was tripping balls on painkillers, hence why finding I'd already done it was a bit of a surprise). Together with the metal Viking Warlord I've got that's two points worth.

Is the Wargames Factory Viking Bondi set ok? Wargames Factory has been full of lovely quality sculpts in my experience, so I'm after opinions on whether to get their Bondi set. It is £15.85, so I'd get 32 models and thus 4 points of warriors, which would complete my army (who am I kidding though, I'll still get berserkers and some bow armed levy at some point) and it's plastic so not too heavy or potentially self damaging carrying it around, but on the other hand, Wargames Factory.

On the Conquest Norman front, there are only 12 kite shields but 15 guys. There are 12 round shields, is it a major historical faux pas to use both? Can you take mounted warriors and give the round shields while giving the mounted hearthguard kite shields? I'll get a blister of crossbows, and I can proxy the slingers for bows and the Flemish spearmen for foot warriors and still have a five point force.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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You don't appear to have PMs, so my mail is Redacted

Further to that, does anyone want to swap a sprue of Gripping Beast Viking Hirdmen for a sprue of Conquest games Norman soldiers?

I'll probably get the Saga Viking starter army for 2 units of Bondi, 4 Berserkers and a Warlord, and I'm unsure what to do with the four hearthguard as I've already got 8 built and another 30 or so on sprue.

Thundercloud fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Nov 25, 2012

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Well I got the Saga Viking starter army to go with my Gripping Beast Hirdmen box, and I like the metal Hirdmen so much I'd love to use them as a bodyguard for my warlord.

I'm looking at the following

Warlord
Unit of 4 Hirdmen
Unit of 8 Hirdmen
Unit of 4 Berserkers
Unit of 8 Bondi
Unit of 8 Bondi

For a six point force. I'm tempted to switch one of either the Berserker or Hirdmen units for 12 levy archers, but don't have the models yet.

Still waiting for the Saga rules to arrive. How does that look for a force (33 models in the army).

I've got the Sons of Death, Flemish spearmen, Norman slingers and the knights box, so my Norman force is approaching a similar size (next on the shopping list, crossbows).

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Cool.

Just got to resist the temptation to get anything else before I paint my Vikings and Normans.

On basing, can anyone recommend some basing bits (resin pieces, whatever) for jazzing up 40mm cavalry bases (this is for warlords and norman cavalry)?

I was thinking of this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251176873330?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

but you obviously wouldn't run horses over ground like that, though you might trot them across it.

Also still without having the rules, are there any of the special characters I should get? And dice, because they're £12 for 6 for the official ones, both how many do you need and is there a cheaper (but still nice) alternative?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Well on my incredibly convoluted journey to work today I picked up Ragnar Lothbrok and the Conquest Norman infantry plastic box. The Norman set has enough kite shields for everyone plus some spares, and enough to do the whole box as spearmen.

I'm actually very impressed with it, the lack of flash, the layout of the sprue and the look of the models is very nice, and at less than 50p a model it does put GW to shame.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Serotonin posted:

Will stick those spare shields int he post ASAP- I havent forgotten!

I was actually going to ask if you wanted some Norman infantry with round shields to use as Bretons.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Looks like a Clancyesque wankfest, so it should be amusing.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Weird SS players do put a fair number of people off though, partially because there's a lot of historical revisionism and 'Were the Waffen SS really that bad?' going on with some people as well.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Serotonin posted:

Not as good as Blitzkreig Commander or Cold War Commander.

Definitely go with these.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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With the UK club scene there is the ability to meet weekly and doing things as a group, another reason lots of rules sets asking for an umpire or GM (as 40k Rogue trader did) doesn't seem weird.

Also we often drink while we play, which doesn't lend itself to competitive play and does lend itself to winging it with house rules.

However for every rules set which leaves a lot of stuff up to you there is one by Wargames Research Group with piles of tables.

At least the beerhammer pick up and play games that there are a fair few of now (ACTA, which I play fairly often, for one) cater for a more intermediate market.

Europeans just seem to put more emphasis on the social experience.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Arquinsiel posted:

So does anyone know the first thing about Zvezda's new "Hot War 1990" game?

It's basically Art of War meets Cold War gone Hot. So hopefully lots of 10mm scale cold war era tanks.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Well I need to cut down on my stuff before moving.

Anyone interested in a never used Tomahawk rulebook, Indian War Party and British Wilderness Force?

I'm UK based, would sell for £65 including p&p, which is basically getting the rulebook for free.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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OK, Saga Crescent and Cross chat.

I haven't got the book yet. I do have the Conquest Norman Knights and Norman Infantry sets and a blister of 12 Norman slingers from Dark Age.

Is the following a legal army in Crescent and Cross

4 Hearthguard Knights
4 Hearthguard Knights
8 Warriors w spear/shield
8 Warriors w spear/shield
12 Levy Slingers

I was thinking first crusade era, because that means using Norman gear is absolutely fine. Someone remind me if circle or kite shields are correct.

But this is a legal force and I just need to add a Warlord?

And is anywhere doing plastic mounted Saracens yet?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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krushgroove posted:

Hola - I'm going to be demonstrating airbrusing at an upcoming wargames convention in the UK and need some help picking some models to paint, so hopefully some of you guys can point me in the right direction? I've got a ton of 40K models I can do but the convention is more for historical wargaming, so I need something more appropriate than daemons and stuff. I've got a ton of modern 6mm armor and a few buildings I can paint at the show, but I want to pick up some larger stuff, around 15mm I think which is a nice middle ground between the 6mm modern and 28mm 40K stuff I have. I figure I may as well get something I'll want to play, so either American or German WW2 I guess.

Stupid question maybe, but I can get 15mm American WW2 from any model company and it'll be playable in FoW, Blitzkrieg Commander and other systems, right? No qualms from grognards about whatever? I'm planning to pick up maybe a few buildings, some armor and a few squads, just to have something to do and demonstrate on.

I'd do with demoing on one of the Plastic Soldier Company boxes of five tanks, the Panzer IVs would be a good idea. It lets you demonstrate how quickly you can get through sizable chunks of a force.

All 15mm is good for Fow, Blitzkrieg commander etc. The only issues are infantry basing, and I keep considering basing for FoW but playing BzC with them and don't think there would be an issue.

American infantry are pretty cheap in plastic from being in the FoW starter, and a couple of boxes of 15mm Shermans or halftracks etc will give you a reasonable starting point.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Well I'm looking at Victrix ancient greeks, and considering putting together skirmish forces for Ancient Saga, the new Victrix rules set, homebrew etc.

Anyone got them?

Also do the Wargames Factory Skeletons make good Children of the Hydras Teeth?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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De-cluttering my flat. First lot of stuff is up, including some out of print historicals.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3709463

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Hi guys. I've moved and it looks like a hoarder house with all my hams. So a lot of stuff has to go. I will combine postage on multiple lots. A lot of this is historicals so I am posting it here.

Confrontation 3rd ed hardback rulebook, VGC, £20 including shipping.

DBM plus the ancients and dark ages books. £10 including shipping.

Dirtside II, £5 including shipping.

Brettonian army book, £6 including shipping

Old Dwarf book, 6th edition, £6 including shipping

Full thrust + More Thrust Plus Fleet Books 1+2. £15 including shipping.

Old Grey Knights codex, 5th ed, £6 including shipping

Here There Be Dragons (fantasy DBM), £4 including shipping

Lord of the Rings Khazad Dum, £8 including shipping

Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Ring sourcebook, £7 including shipping

Lord of the Rings big rulebook, £20 including shipping (mainly because of the weight)

Lord of the Rings Two Towers sourcebook, £7 including shipping.

Muskets and Tomahawks with cards, £20 including shipping.

Noble Armada +Fleets of the Fading Suns, now both OOP, £25 including shipping

8th ed OnG book, good condition, £15 including shipping

Rapid Fire, £15 including shipping

Stargrunt II, £5 including shipping

Starship Troopers, skinnies army book - £5 including shipping

Warhammer Historical Trafalgar, VGC - £35 including shipping

Warmahordes 1st ed books £5 plus whatever shipping is.

Codex Witch Hunters, £6 including shipping.

Warhammer Historicals English Civil War - £15 including shipping.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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SquadronROE posted:

Wow, Christ. I need more sleep.

To be fair the Finns were allied with the Allies during the Winter War, then with the Axis during the Continuation War, then switched back to the Allies when it became clear the Nazis were getting crushed by the Russians.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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I'm going to crumble and get the rulebook plus free plastic box offer from Warlord. That would give me the rules and 40 Red Army troops for £25.

Here's some questions though.

What army lists are in the rulebook? How much poo poo do you need?

Do I need to buy the Soviet codex? Do I need order dice?

Is it practical to field an Operation Barbarossa style force with T-26s or 28s, and BA-6s and BT-7s? Or would that totally suck?

See now I'm thinking of doing a Russian force for 1938 Manchuria/41 Barbarossa. Is that a bad idea? Do T-34/85s rule the roost?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Which is nicer - the red army summer or winter infantry - in terms of painting and assembling?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Serotonin posted:

The DiceBag lady breaks open the Gripping Beast plastics boxes and sells 6 pt war bands using the contents.

http://thedicebaglady.net/6-point-plastic-warband/

You can't really beat £23 for a full army.

Two plastic boxed sets and a metal character give you everything you need for a massive force in crescent and cross.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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DiHK posted:

goddam you limeys get all the cool poo poo

To be fair we do write and manufacture an awful lot of wargames.

On the topic of Bolt Action, I crumbled and now have 1000 points of Grenadiers coming. It is only a few over 40 models to paint though.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Right, for Bolt Action I now have a box of plastic grenadiers, a command blister, a 81mm mortar blister, a medium machine gun blister and a Leig 18 75mm artillery gun.

I know nothing about Bolt action. The Hitlers buzzsaw rule makes it seem like LMGs in squads are a good idea, but I don't know if this is true.

Can I get a proper 1000 point army list out of this? Thread veterans, what do you recommend?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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muggins posted:

It looks like for that one it's two plastic boxes. So something like 70-80 dudes that you can equip with mostly rifles but some special weapons.

Confirm it is 80 dudes for two plastic boxes of Russians.

I now want to get on the cavalry bandwagon as well.

Is there anything that stops you fielding multiple platoons in a game, seeing as a platoon is a HQ plus two infantry squads, plus options?

Also where are the rules for Goliaths? I've got the main rulebook and Armies of Germany, but the Pioneer choice is very limited in that.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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OK guys, 750 point army list consisting of pretty much everything I've got.

1st Lieutenant Veteran 90

1st Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training
NCO & 9 men Regular 145
armed with: 6 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts

2nd Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training
NCO & 9 men Regular 145
armed with: 6 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts

Support Units
3rd Squad: Heer Veteran Grenadier Infantry Squad Training
NCO & 9 men Veteran 190
armed with: 3 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 6 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts

Other Support
Medic Veteran 30

MMG Regular 50

Medium Mortar Regular 50

Light Artillery Regular 50

750 exactly 8 order dice

Medic goes with the Veterans, all squads have a couple of panzerfausts to upset tanks. Standard squads throw out 16 dice, Vet squad 19.

I've put together the support teams, based all the plastic bodies but not put the weapons on yet. I'll be doing that tomorrow and undercoating them.

Does this list look ok?

For the next 250 points I was thinking of adding the Last Levy box with this 2nd platoon.


HQ Training Points
2nd Lieutenant Regular 50

1st Squad: Volkssturm Squad Training
NCO & 4 men Inexperienced 58
armed with: 4 Rifles, 1 Submachine Gun, 4 Panzerfausts

2nd Squad
NCO & 7 men Inexperienced 77
armed with: 6 Rifles, 2 Submachine Guns, 3 Panzerfausts

Support Units
3rd Squad
NCO & 4 men Inexperienced 63
armed with: 4 Rifles, 1 Submachine Gun, 4 Panzerfausts

Which doesn't match the elite super nazis that a lot of players go for, but which would give me lots more anti-tank and some expendable chaff.

Or should I go for a tank and AT gun?

Thoughts?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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OK guys, how about this list?

HQ Training Points
1st Lieutenant Regular 75

1st Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training
NCO & 5 men Regular 105
armed with: 2 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts

2nd Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training
NCO & 5 men Regular 105
armed with: 2 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts

Support Units
3rd Squad: Heer Veteran Grenadier Infantry Squad Training
NCO & 5 men Veteran 120
armed with: 6 Assault Rifles and AT grenades

4th Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training
NCO & 5 men Regular 78
armed with: 4 Rifles, 2 Submachine Guns and AT grenades

5th Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training
NCO & 5 men Regular 87
armed with: 3 Rifles, 3 Assault Rifles and AT grenades

Other Support
Medic Veteran 30

MMG Regular 50

Medium Mortar Regular 50

Light Artillery Regular 50

Total Points 750

9 Activations, 4 Panzerfaust and 3 squads with AT grenades, 2 squads configured for assault (6 Vets, assault rifles for all, AT grenades, and 6 Regular, 2 SMGs, AT grenades).

Smaller squads, some more specialised, with two fire support squads with Assault rifles, Panzerfausts and an LMG - 12 dice of shooting, 9 dice in assault), a Vet assault squad (12 dice shooting, 12 dice assault) etc.

Thoughts?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Throbbing blob posted:

Good stuff. The GHQ models in particular look great! Are they 6mm? I read Serotonin's writeup about CWC rules, and they seem to be what I'm looking for, but how are GHQ's rules for micro armour compared to CWC?

Go with Cold War Commander. You will not regret it.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Colonial Air Force posted:

Speaking of CWGH (and WI, for that matter), there's an article this month about this game: 3rd Generation Warfare

It's written by the developer of the rules, so not exactly unbiased, but his goal was for quick rules that still have the feeling of combat from that era. Less charts, more playing.

I can't believe they're using 28mm in the pics, not 15mm.

Given the scale of modern games I think 15 or 10mm is about as high as you can go unless you are having squad level skirmish.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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I think Bolt Action will continue to have a German bias because so much cool stuff gets released for them. They're on their 4th infantry kit release as well as having lots of plastic vehicles.

Whereas they don't even do models for some of the Axis powers (Hungary/Bulgaria).

Though I recognise that a lot of German players are Wermachtboos.

Especially SS players.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Warlord website or ebay for individual sprues, many manufacturers do single figures as well.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Looking to sell a couple of books to start funding the daughters Christmas presents.

Muskets and Tomahawks (including cards) - £20 shipped within the UK.
Warhammer Trafalgar (Mint, rare OOP, etc) - £40 shipped within the UK.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Dirt Worshipper posted:

I'm not sure if this was posted, but for Dark Age geeks out there, a former Gripping Beast designer started his own line:

http://saxonminiatures.com/

These are really nice models.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Nude Bog Lurker posted:

So I'm thinking about modelling 500 pts or so of Force Publique for Bolt Action. Is there any way of making this not suck on the table?

Should be absolutely fine, but the mainstay will be units of infantry with rifles. As with a lot of Bolt Action forces.

How were they equipped? Did they get allied equipment after the fall of Belgium? Are you doing them for the middle east or jungle fighting?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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It's the Wermabos that is why my Bolt Action German force is Battle of Berlin era, with Luftwaffe infantry, Hitler Youth and Volksturm as well as normal infantry.

People get very enthusiastic about the German fighting machine. Sometimes a little too enthusiastic.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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I have a mint copy of Trafalgar for sale, UK based, if you are interested.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Definitely the first link to go for.

Why do I get the impression you live in the Midlands Serotonin?

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Could be worse, they could be covering the genocide in the Congo carried out by the Belgians.

Yeah, there is a reason the scramble for Africa is underserved in wargame terms, because in history it was racist colonialism and genocide, and it's people don't want to hear about how their side were the baddies.

Take the Battle of Little Big Horn. How many people know that Custer's big plan was to avoid fighting the actual warriors and go after the women and children in order to murder them all? Get's glossed over, doesn't it?

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Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

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Serotonin posted:

Sharp Practice 2 pdf has arrived and its wonderful

How many figures do you need and what does it play like?

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