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My wife and I are spending the evening playing a LOST drinking game. This is her fIrst time through the series, which is a little annoying for me since I have to deal with 1000 questions each episode, but it's okay. Anyway, we're now on Stranger in a Strange Land. As soon as Jack forced whoever to tattoo him my wife goes "ugh, I hope he gets his rear end kicked." She's pretty good at this. Edit: I forgot the van episode is the next episode! That makes that terrible episode totally worth it! alpha_destroy fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Lost has a good habit of following really bad episodes with really good ones. I was about ready to quit on the show when Charlie tried to baptise Claire's baby, but I figured I'd give it one more episode and the next one was so good I stuck with it.
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Sep 27, 2014 07:21
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Any been following the Cancer Gets Lost auction? Some big sales , drat.
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Sep 28, 2014 03:56
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I browsed it yesterday a bit, saw a bunch of awesome but crazy expensive things. In other news, Josh Holloway was apparently cast in Carlton Cuse's new upcoming scifi show "Colony". Hopefully it's slightly better than his Intelligence appearance >_>
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Sep 28, 2014 05:16
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Merauder posted:I browsed it yesterday a bit, saw a bunch of awesome but crazy expensive things. Yeah, hopefully. It's not so much that Intelligence was THAT bad, it just wasn't very good if that makes sense. E: If that new hospital show doesn't work out for Ken Leung I would watch the poo poo out of a buddy cop show with those two, which were one of the highlights of the sideways universe imho. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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Sep 28, 2014 13:50
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Mr. Eko is going to be on Game of Thrones. 
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Oct 27, 2014 04:05
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So why doesn't Desmond remember meeting Faraday at Oxford when Daniel bangs on the door of the Hatch until Desmond opens it?
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Dec 12, 2014 18:41
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Sub Rosa posted:So why doesn't Desmond remember meeting Faraday at Oxford when Daniel bangs on the door of the Hatch until Desmond opens it? Whatever happened, happened.
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Dec 12, 2014 21:13
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Desmond Hume has become unstuck in time.
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Dec 12, 2014 21:42
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grilldos posted:Desmond Hume has become unstuck in time. This.
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Dec 12, 2014 22:17
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And here I thought we had finally let go.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:49
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ApexAftermath posted:This. So it goes.
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Dec 13, 2014 01:33
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Desmond posted:And here I thought we had finally let go. 
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Dec 13, 2014 02:36
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Sub Rosa posted:So why doesn't Desmond remember meeting Faraday at Oxford when Daniel bangs on the door of the Hatch until Desmond opens it? Desmond's physical chronology and temporal chronology aren't in sync. While Desmond was physically at Oxford with Faraday in the 90s, he doesn't "remember" it until 2004. Same with Desmond not remembering the encounter with Faraday outside the Hatch until it happens concurrently on the time-warping Island in season 5, when his consciousness catches up and he remembers it in a dream. But to emphasize, he's not remembering these things, his consciousness moves through time independent of his body.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:56
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Steve Higginson posted:Whatever happened, happened. FrensaGeran posted:But to emphasize, he's not remembering these things, his consciousness moves through time independent of his body. I don't understand how this reconciles with Flashes Before Your Eyes.
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Dec 13, 2014 08:56
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Sub Rosa posted:I don't understand how this reconciles with Flashes Before Your Eyes. I'm not sure that Flashes Before Your Eyes reconciles with anything else the show does. The version of Eloise that we're privy to in that episode doesn't seem to be remotely the same person that we see in later seasons, or at least that's always been my take.
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Dec 13, 2014 14:45
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Sub Rosa posted:I don't understand how this reconciles with Flashes Before Your Eyes. It doesn't. Flashes before your eyes seems to use a different mechanism. Its possible that flashes before your eyes either a subconscious experience or something similar to the meeting place. Either way the show had to establish the ground rules of "whatever happened, happens."
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Dec 13, 2014 15:40
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But in 316 while in the Lamp Post Desmond blames Eloise for him wasting four years of his life because he believed her when she told him going to the island was his purpose. And she nods. So it really happened, and it wasn't some blacked out period in his memory. So I also wouldn't presume that the period of time that Desmond meets Daniel would be blacked out in his memory either. Maybe the show is just inconsistent and it's a matter of choosing your inconsistency.
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Dec 13, 2014 16:15
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When Past Desmond blacks out it's because Future Desmond has come back and taken over. Past Desmond doesn't remember what happens during that time because he's not there any more, it's Future Desmond who's experiencing those events, and he remembers them when he goes back to the future. I'm guessing Desmond told Daniel about his encounter with Eloise at some point, Eloise read it in his notebook, and she made sure it happened as it was "supposed" to, without really understanding what she was saying. Like the whole thing between Richard and Locke. I haven't watched in ages, sorry if I'm way off the mark!
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You guys are going to make me bust out my blu rays for a rewatch.
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/01/a-writer-from-lost-came-forward-and-admitted-to-what-we-knew-all-along/quote:We had an expression in the room and which was, “No Polar Bears,” which was a reference to Lost. I had friends that were writing on Lost, I can’t say who they were. And I was watching football with one of them and I was telling them how much I loved the show…and I’m like, “How are you going to pay all this stuff off?” And he looked at me and goes, “We’re not.” And I go, “What do you mean you’re not?” He said, “We literally just think of the weirdest most f*cked up thing and write it and we’re never going to pay it off.” And I look at him and I’m like, “That’s such bullshi*t! You are completely f*cking with the audience.” I want to bring a class-action lawsuit on behalf of everyone who watched Lost all those years. Nina Hartley jerked people off less that Lost did.
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Their expression should probably refer to something that didn't pay off and not something that did. Also lol at "bullshi*t"
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Jan 17, 2015 17:46
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Whenever someone says "Lost sucked because they just made it up as they went along!" I hear "I'm a dumb idiot child who doesn't know how television is made."
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Yep. And same for anyone saying that everything was planned from the start and the writers knew how to answer all the mysteries they created.
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Tempo 119 posted:When Past Desmond blacks out it's because Future Desmond has come back and taken over. Past Desmond doesn't remember what happens during that time because he's not there any more, it's Future Desmond who's experiencing those events, and he remembers them when he goes back to the future. Yes, this is what happened. Interview with Damon Lindelof: "And the coolest thing about consciousness time travel is, you know, you're sort of a slave to your memory. So if Desmond travels back in time and he remembers that a certain team beat another team in a football game, and then something different happens, we're hinting at the idea that the future has changed, when in fact he just remembered it wrong, which is kinda cool for us." In other words, it's just another instance of "what happened, happened" no different than any of the other Desmond time travel things. Nothing special was happening. At the end of the sequence, he gets hit in the head with a bat in a pub, and his consciousness travels back to the present. He's left unconscious on the floor of a bar, so when he wakes up with a pounding headache and only very vague memories, that seems like it makes sense. There might be some extremely tiny inconsistencies between this time travel and his other mental time travel, but you can either chalk that up to "the writers hadn't developed it fully yet" or "his head was pressed up against the exploding swan energy at the time" depending on what kind of explanation you're looking for.
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You have to have a show written and sat on for years in advance for that to work. Look at Carnival. Lost was not developed in that way. And if the creators really had such a low opinion about the show and its fans why did they push so hard for an end date? Lost is a drama series in a mystery setting. The show worked because of the drama. If it was a straight forward mystery show it would be trash like those other network shows that try to copy it. Getting mysteries with no answers and the complexities that comes with dealing with that is one of the shows bigger dramatic themes. People wanted the show to be something that it's not and can't accept it for what it is. Ausmund fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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The point a lot of fans has is that the plot doesn't need to be in stone from the pilot, but when it introduces a mystery, the writers should have some vague idea of how it resolves itself (even if they later choose to do something different). Its not about having Hurwitz-esque diagrams plotting out every single minute of the series, but only putting in things you intend to pay off in the future.
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Irish Joe posted:The point a lot of fans has is that the plot doesn't need to be in stone from the pilot, but when it introduces a mystery, the writers should have some vague idea of how it resolves itself (even if they later choose to do something different). Its not about having Hurwitz-esque diagrams plotting out every single minute of the series, but only putting in things you intend to pay off in the future. The show should have been like a puzzle, where the edges are done first and it works it's way inward. Instead edges were completed, then pieces were taken away - then new edges were made.
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Whenever you introduce a hatch, make sure you know what's inside first.
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Josh Holloway is getting a new show written by Carlton Cuse. Hopefully it's better than Intelligence was.
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I'm finding that Lost Chrono is better than Chronologically Lost, quality-wise. LC makes a point to include deleted scenes & webisodes, tries to structure episodes, and puts the Desmond flashes where they're supposed to be. CL's presentation is cooler with the split-screens, but a lot of dialogue gets drowned out that way. If anything, LC is best if you want to learn more about the show from a chronological edit, CL is best if you've already watched LC and want a stylish rewatch so you can see all sides of a scene happening at once.
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sticklefifer posted:I'm finding that Lost Chrono is better than Chronologically Lost, quality-wise. LC makes a point to include deleted scenes & webisodes, tries to structure episodes, and puts the Desmond flashes where they're supposed to be. CL's presentation is cooler with the split-screens, but a lot of dialogue gets drowned out that way. If anything, LC is best if you want to learn more about the show from a chronological edit, CL is best if you've already watched LC and want a stylish rewatch so you can see all sides of a scene happening at once. Aw poo poo, I'm going to have to watch this now, aren't I? I thought I remembered there being some webisodes in CL when I watched it. Was it just Missing Pieces? I guess it'd be better to not have the overlap of scenes so you can tell what's going on during the crash of 815 anyway.
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I thought the crash of 815 was cool, but the bit later on when Richard is talking to time-travelling Locke there's two separate scenes with people talking and they're both unintelligible. I'd like to give Lost Chrono a try though, separate scenes sounds cool. And Desmond's flashback being in the wrong place bugged me.
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Like most things on the internet, I guess, I find it odd how the opinion of Lost has changed over time. It was once solid gold, and now few good words can be found for it. I, for one, still think it was one of the best shows ever on TV.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Whenever someone says "Lost sucked because they just made it up as they went along!" I hear "I'm a dumb idiot child who doesn't know how television is made." No-one said that though. He said it sucked because they were just thinking up weird poo poo with no idea of how to resolve it, which is why the last season was such horrible mush. All TV shows get made up as they go along, but generally when writers introduce a mystery they have some idea of how they will resolve it down the track, and not "Lets throw a Polar Bear in because it will totally make people wonder what the hell is going on". It was Losts biggest failing because as much as people want to harp on about how it was all about the characters, a lot hinged on the reason for their journey being a good one, it wasn't and it lost a huge amount of emotional impact because it turns out the characters and the audience were just being jerked around for 5 years.
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Zahki posted:No-one said that though. He said it sucked because they were just thinking up weird poo poo with no idea of how to resolve it, which is why the last season was such horrible mush. All TV shows get made up as they go along, but generally when writers introduce a mystery they have some idea of how they will resolve it down the track, and not "Lets throw a Polar Bear in because it will totally make people wonder what the hell is going on". It was Losts biggest failing because as much as people want to harp on about how it was all about the characters, a lot hinged on the reason for their journey being a good one, it wasn't and it lost a huge amount of emotional impact because it turns out the characters and the audience were just being jerked around for 5 years. It's funny because How I Met Your Mother - went about their show a completely DIFFERENT way, but had similar problems in the end. Without getting into spoiler territory, due to the nature of the show Mother would introduce mysteries and foreshadow events, and would eventually resolve and get back to nearly every single one - even if it was years later. At the end of season 2, the show touted itself as not only KNOWING the ending of the show-- but also FILMED IT. 7 Years later Season 9 comes. The final season is in fact really clever and arguably the best one to come around in a while... unfortunately the show still had to stick with it's original ending it shot 7 years ago- and the show had evolved past that. The ending was "kept" and on the whole it felt very much like a slap in the face. TV shows change over years. The problem with Lost was that it's answer wasn't satisfying- but the issue whether it was planned or not is NOT the problem. Mother stuck with it's plan and still failed. Breaking Bad is the one show I can recall where I know a vague idea was had of where it was going and the show grew into that. It worked perfectly.
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redshirt posted:Like most things on the internet, I guess, I find it odd how the opinion of Lost has changed over time. It was once solid gold, and now few good words can be found for it. Agreed, and I think even the biggest Lost fans will openly admit that it was a very flawed show. But it's baffling to me that everyone now totally dismisses this highly ambitious show because they didn't like how it turned out, meanwhile we get 10 new generic cop/crime dramas and sitcoms every year and no one has an opinion one way or another and they just fade away.
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:Agreed, and I think even the biggest Lost fans will openly admit that it was a very flawed show. But it's baffling to me that everyone now totally dismisses this highly ambitious show because they didn't like how it turned out, meanwhile we get 10 new generic cop/crime dramas and sitcoms every year and no one has an opinion one way or another and they just fade away. I would admit no such thing. How is it in any way a flawed show? It's literally fantastic for 6 seasons.
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gently caress sake man
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