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taremva posted:I don't mean any offence, but for a country which shouts "FREEDOM" I'm really starting to wonder. Well, it's hard to get a good view of anything that the average American thinks, because America is a really big country with a lot of people. As for the people that are happy about prison rape? A lot of them think that Europe is socialist, and so you have less freedom. Most don't assume that Sweden is equal to the USSR, but a few do.
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angry armadillo posted:I work in a prison in the UK, interesting to see that compared to the US we seem to have the opposite problem in that overall, we are probably too soft - saying that, I bet there isn't a single country in the world that has got the balance between locking them up 23 hours a day vs rehabilitation programs 'right' In one of the LF threads, there was a description of a (maybe Scandinavian?) European prison, where the prisoners had insanely better lives than US inmates. They were even allowed knives, because they needed a way to prepare dinner. Yet, when the inmates were interviewed, they were still more than a little miserable and depressed, simply because they were locked up. Even with cable TV and facebook, they still had no freedom. I think it's a mistake to assume that prison is a punishment because you lose your stuff. Losing your stuff sucks, but that's not what it's about. It's about taking away your agency. It's hard for us to comprehend.
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mew force shoelace posted:There is lots of times and places you get a lot of bad dudes together in one place, it doesn't seem like them all raping each other is exactly a natural consequence of that. I mean three of your reasons come down to 'no one is stopping them' and it's not really the case that in other countries there is a bunch of people straining to all rape each other but are being stopped. If you took a bunch of prisoners in other countries and had the guards close their eyes and turn around it wouldn't turn instantly to rapefest and I think most of the inmates would be a little weirded out by the idea it might. I think a large part is because it's implicitly encouraged, inside and outside. Most of us don't know anything about prison culture except for rape. I'm sure there are plenty of inmates who rape because that's what American culture tells them to do. Then, there are guards who encourage it in the same way they encourage gangs. It keeps everyone divided. It keeps everyone scared.
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