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FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Before LF got moved to the "Retarded Thread for Assholes." Hiding from Goro posted a remarkable thread about the abysmal state of the criminal justice system. Given that the format of LF's new place is unmoderated and looks as though it is going to follow the FYAD model, I think that it is a shame for all of this great info to go to waste.

Offsite hosting for the thread:

Piell posted:

Right here

HidingFromGoro posted:

I periodically repost the news articles and some of my longer posts at the re-think america blog, also home to financial and economic articles by dm and Dante.

Old stuff:

New stuff:
  • In Pennsylvania, despite high unemployment, business are seeking to outsource more of their labor to inmates. The one good thing about this is that the bill would require the inmates to be paid "similar" wages as free folks, instead of the 17 to 42 cents an hour inmates usually make in PA.

  • In Colorado, prison system is "structured to promote failure."

  • In Massachussetts, a new policy is on its way to charge inmates rent during their stay, with additional fees for things like medications, haircuts, and GED testing. It's called the "Inmate Financial Responsibility Program."


    quote:

    "Look, having inmates come to prison and telling them that you don't need to worry about the costs associated with running the prison is, I don't think, a good message for them," Hodgson told the Boston Globe earlier this year.

  • From Califas: Financial Impact of Health Care for Prisoners Who Are Ill and Three Strikes

    quote:

    As California struggles to pay for social services for its poorest residents, it spends hundreds of millions of dollars a year on health care for a small group of sick inmates - in one case $1 million during a dying inmate's final year, according to a state audit released Tuesday.

    The state also spends billions of extra dollars on the longer sentences handed down under the state's "three strikes" law in part because those inmates age in prison and need health care, the report by State Auditor Elaine Howle found.
    ...

    he was struck by Howle's finding that the state spends about $132 million a year on overtime for prison guards who transport and guard ill inmates, many of whom are nonambulatory, because the state does not plan ahead for those costs.
    ...

    She estimated that the additional years imposed by the [three-strikes] law are costing California $19.2 billion over the duration of those inmates' incarceration.

  • In Indiana, if you have two or more family members in prison you want to visit, you have to pick one or the other; because you can't be on more than one inmate's visit list.

  • Georgia beats out Texas, Louisiana, and Cali to become the nations leader in criminal punishment. In Georgia, one in 13 people are behind bars, on probation, or on parole- more than double the national rate of 1 in 31.

    Not to be outdone by 3-strikes law, Zell Miller started 2 strikes and you're out laws in 1994- along with his "7 Deadly Sins" law. One strike for one of the 7 sins is 10 years, no parole; and the second is life with no parole. After the 10 years, ex-cons are released with $25, a bus ticket, and no post-release treatment or support. A 14-year old with a cap gun can be and is punished the same as an adult with a real gun.

    quote:

    “If you’re going to play like a man, you need to pay like a man,” the DA said.

    ...

    The trend held even among nonviolent offenders: the average inmate released last year on a drug possession charge spent 21 months locked up, compared with 10 months in 1990.

  • In Montana, another private prison scam.

  • Kicking the National Habit: The Legal and Policy Arguments for Abolishing Private Prison Contracts (pdf).

  • ACLU report shows LA Central Jail is still going strong with its 30-year history of severe overcrowding, violence, and brutality. For example, when one inmate complained about being denied showers for a few weeks, the guards broke his leg and wrecked his knee bad enough to require extensive surgery.

    quote:

    Men’s Central Jail is a modern-day medieval dungeon, a dank, windowless place where prisoners live in fear of retaliation and abuse apparently goes unchecked. The jail is not an appropriate facility for housing prisoners with mental illness, many of whom do not receive proper treatment for their mental illness... At the root of the many problems plaguing this toxic facility is overcrowding and the only solutions are to either reduce the jail population dramatically or close it.

  • Corrections Corporation of America says that despite critics & recession, business is booming.

    quote:

    Both "high recidivism" among felons and "inmate population growth following prior recessions" are highlighted as positives for the company in the 48-page report.

  • For-profit prison to be built in OK with a twist- it will be staffed and run entirely by "born again Christians."

  • Doing time on their own dime:

    quote:

    Hurley couldn't pay the fine because she had to pay the Georgia Department of Corrections $600 a month for room and board. Hurley spent nearly a year in prison - from a 120-day sentence -- due to her inability to pay the fine before the SCHR was able to get her released.

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FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Some books:

Capitalist Punishment: Prison Privatization and Human Rights
Acres of Skin: Human Experiments at Holmesburg Prison
Gates of Injustice: The Crisis in America's Prisons
Prison Profiteers: Who Makes Money from Mass Incarceration
The Rich Get Richer and The Poor Get Prison
The Color of Justice: Race, Ethnicity, and Crime in America
America's Prisons: The Movement Toward Profit and Privatization
Lockdown America: Police and Prisons in the Age of Crisis
Golden Gulag: Prisons, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing California ("A magnificent analysis of the political economy of super-incarceration and the slave plantations that California calls prisons.")
The Perpetual Prisoner Machine: How America Profits From Crime
Abolition Democracy: Beyond Prisons, Torture, and Empire
The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness
Texas Tough: The Rise of America's Prison Empire

and

Life Sentences: Rage and Survival Behind Bars
[/quote]

[quote]...required reading for all fifty United States governors and for all present and future Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates...the most convincing argument I have read against our nationwide desire to deal with lawbreakers by 'locking 'em up and throwing away the key.'"

-- Russell Banks, The New York Times Book Review

"Life Sentences is an aberration. Out of the violence, madness and uselessness has come a work of uncommon and lasting value."

-- Colman McCarthy, Washington Post Book World

"Life Sentences is an extraordinary act of courage that should prick the conscience of every American. Rideau and Wikberg take readers inside the bowels of Angola...Within such a manmade hell, they become living proof that some can rise above the cesspool despite colossal odds."

-- Pete Earley, author of The Hothouse: Life Inside Leavenworth Prison -- Review

FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Prison and jail employees are more out of control than ever. From state to state, north to south, east to west, sexual misconduct by guards and other staff members continues to weave its way through the fabric of our nation’s prisons. A common thread of rape, debauchery and even sexual torture is present in detention facilities nationwide.

This time we bring you recent reports from 39 states, which constitute only a fraction of the tragic truth about rape and sexual abuse by prison and jail workers. Indeed, it would easily be possible to publish a monthly magazine consisting of nothing but substantiated reports of the sexual assault of prisoners by their captors. It also illustrates the shortcomings of the PREA which contains no real enforcement mechanism to stop or deter sexual assaults, merely the collection of data self reported by the agencies holding the prisoners. But one result is we may now have slightly better data than we did before in a central location.[/quote]

[quote="HidingFromGoro"]
Arizona

Former prison guard Elsa Gutierrez, 33, was booked into the Yuma County Jail on October 1, 2008 after being charged with unlawful sexual conduct with a male prisoner. She had been employed at the Arizona State Prison Complex.

On November 7, 2008, Steve Edward Hiser was arrested and charged with six counts of sex crimes involving female prisoners. He was a maintenance worker at the Eddie Warrior Correctional Center when the incidents occurred; the charges include sexual battery, indecent exposure, forcible oral sodomy, sexual battery and rape by instrumentation. Hiser posted a $15,000 bond; his case is still pending.

Arkansas

Former Arkansas DOC psychologist Anna Clark, 57, was convicted of third-degree sexual assault after being caught in the act of sexual intercourse with prisoner Dan Burns.
In a taped confession Clark admitted that she had sex several times with Burns, who was diagnosed as depressed and suicidal. She was sentenced in August 2007 to three years in prison and her conviction was upheld by the state Supreme Court on Sept. 25, 2008 [See: Clark v. State, 374 Ark. 292 (Ark. 2008)].

On January 16, 2009, Pulaski County sheriff’s deputy Willie Lee Owens was arrested for raping a female prisoner in a basement holding cell at the county courthouse. While Owens went to get a napkin so his victim could clean up, she wiped some of his semen on the inside of her bra and later gave it to investigators.

“The crime lab confirmed with scientific certainty that the swabs submitted by Dep. Owens and the samples taken from the bra were the same,” the arrest warrant stated.

California

In May 2008, Mark Susoeff, 45, was sentenced to 120 days in jail and three years probation for having oral sex with a female prisoner. Susoeff was a guard at the Leo Chesney Community Correctional Facility (LCCC) when the incident occurred. LCCC is a minimum-security prison run by Cornell Corrections.

Former San Luis Obispo County jail guard Steven Edward Irysh was sentenced to 45 days in jail and three years probation on October 31, 2007 for performing a sex act in front of a female prisoner. He had also been charged with indecent exposure, but that charge was dropped as part of a plea agreement. On January 11, 2008, the court allowed Irysh to begin serving his sentence in late February to accommodate his work schedule. He was also allowed to serve his jail time on weekends.

In September 2007, former Imperial County jail guard James Ray Morris pleaded no contest to having sex with female prisoners. One of his victims stated that Morris threatened to restrict her recreation time if she didn’t have sex, and that she contracted a sexually transmitted disease from him. Morris was sentenced on October 19, 2007 to 90 days in jail and three years probation.

Two prisoners have filed lawsuits against Imperial County claiming that jail guards, including Morris, pressured them into having sex. One guard, Corbin Dillon, allegedly coerced oral sex from a prisoner who was in an observation cell following a suicide attempt. [See: Fernandez v. Morris, U.S.D.C. (SD Cal.), Case No. 3:2008-cv-00601-H-CAB and Flores-Nunez v. Dillon, U.S.D.C. (SD Cal.), Case No. 3:08-cv-01881-W-CAB].

Colorado

Two female prisoners from Hawai’i, Christina Riley and Jacqueline Overturf, were being held at the Brush Correctional Facility, a private prison operated by GRW Corp., when they were sexually assaulted by prison guard Russell E. Rollison. They filed a lawsuit that was settled in January 2008; their attorney, Myles Breiner, described the confidential settlement as a “significant amount of money.” [See: Riley v. Rollison, U.S.D.C. (D. Colo.), Case No. 1:06-cv-01347-WYD-BNB].

The prisoners claimed they had been coerced by Rollison to perform a sex act, and alleged he had threatened them with disciplinary write-ups if they did not cooperate. One of the women saved Rollison’s semen and turned it over to DOC authorities.

Despite having evidence in the form of the guard’s semen, state officials called the incident a ploy by the women to get back to their home state of Hawai’i. Since the settlement, all Hawai’i prisoners at the Brush facility have been moved to the Otter Creek Correctional Center in Kentucky – where incidents of sexual abuse have continued (see below).

Rollison resigned and was charged with two counts of having felony sexual contact with a prisoner. The charges were later reduced when he pleaded guilty to menacing with a real or simulated weapon – a non-sex offense – and received probation.

Former prison Sgt. Leshawn Terrell, employed at the Denver Women’s Correctional Facility, was charged with having sexual relations with prisoner Amanda Hall. According to a subsequent lawsuit, Hall claimed that Terrell made her a “virtual sex slave” and coerced her continuously to have sex over a five-month period. Terrell sexually abused her to the point that she sustained a torn rectum that required surgery.

“She’s been assaulted in ways that are so inhumane and so offensive we can’t talk about them on TV,” stated Hall’s attorney, Mari Newman. “What I’ve learned after the [lawsuit] filing, I’ve got many many e-mails about other similar cases, and this is a problem systemwide in the Colorado Department of Corrections,” Newman said.

Hall’s federal lawsuit settled in December 2008 for $250,000 in damages and attorney fees; additionally, the DOC agreed to install more security cameras in the area where the sexual assaults took place. [See: Hall v. Colorado DOC, U.S.D.C. (D. Colo.), Case No. 1:08-cv-00999-DME-MEH].

On Oct. 28, 2008, Terrell pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unlawful sexual conduct. The judge found that he had preyed on female prisoners who were in a “unique and vulnerable position,” and imposed a sentence of 60 days in jail and five years probation, plus sex offender treatment and placement on the state’s sex offender registry.

A former secretary at the Federal Prison Camp in Florence (which houses the federal supermax) was sentenced to six months in prison and five years supervised release on January 29, 2009. Janine Sligar, who had worked for the Bureau of Prisons for 14 years, had a sexual relationship with prisoner Eric McClain that included oral sex and intercourse.

Connecticut

On August 22, 2008, former federal prison guard Michael Rudkin pleaded guilty to charges of having sex with a female prisoner and plotting with her to kill his wife.

According to prosecutors, Rudkin provided his incarcerated lover with a detailed layout of his home and agreed to pay $5,000 for the murder. He also asked her to wait until he could have a life insurance policy taken out on his wife.

The plot was discovered before his wife was harmed. Rudkin was sentenced to 15 years in prison on January 15, 2009; he had been employed at FCI Dansbury.

Florida

Former prison guard William A. Blanton was sentenced on May 22, 2008 to three years probation and eight months home detention after being convicted of engaging in a sexual act with a female prisoner.

Blanton and eight other employees at the Federal Correctional Complex in Coleman had been arrested on suspicion of smuggling and misconduct following a two-year investigation; he was the only guard charged with a sex-related offense.

On April 3, 2008, Wilfredo Vazquez pleaded guilty to sexual battery and “placing a woman in fear” during a forced sexual encounter. Vazquez, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) employee, drove a detainee to his home and forced her to have sex with him.

The victim was being held on charges of making a false claim about her U.S. citizenship and was slated to be deported. Vazquez was responsible for transporting her from the Krome Detention Center in West Miami Dade to the Broward Transitional Center in Pompano Beach. The woman reported the incident upon her arrival at Broward, and an investigation ensued.

Vazquez accepted a plea deal to avoid being charged with aggravated sexual assault. He was sentenced in August 2008 to seven years in prison and five years supervised release.

Shaun McFadden worked for TransCor, a private transportation company, when he was arrested at a motel for having sex with two prisoners. On March 21, 2008, McFadden and a co-worker transported two female prisoners from the Bradford County Jail to another facility. After dropping off his co-worker, McFadden returned and convinced jail officials that the prisoners needed to be taken to a local hospital for a physical examination.

McFadden then drove the women to a motel where the threesome had sex. But while he was in the shower, one of the prisoners went to a pay phone and called the police.
McFadden was arrested on charges of two counts of sexual misconduct.

The women said they had agreed to have sex with McFadden in exchange for alcohol and cigarettes. A TransCor official stated this was an isolated incident, and the company did not plan to change the way it operates. There have been at least 5 other incidents of rape and sexual abuse involving TransCor guards [See: PLN, Sept. 2006, p.1].

On November 8, 2008, prison guard Geno Lewis Hawkins was arrested on charges of sexual battery involving a female prisoner. Hawkins was employed at the CCA-run Gadsden Correctional Facility; he was held without bond.

Georgia

Dewayne Wood, an 18-year veteran of the Warren County Sheriff’s Department, was charged with sexual assault of a person in custody, violation of oath by a public official, and violation of the Georgia Controlled Substances Act.

The charges stem from accusations made by a female prisoner Wood had transported on August 10, 2006. A search of Wood’s patrol vehicle yielded pornographic pictures, condoms, Viagra pills and diet pills.

Wood remained free on $10,000 bond until he pleaded guilty in October 2008. He was sentenced to two years incarceration plus 8 years probation.

Former prison guard Tashala C. Johnson-Ashley received 180 days in jail and 5 years probation after being convicted of sexual assault against a person in custody and violation of an oath by a public officer.

By her own admission, Johnson-Ashley met with a prisoner working as a trusty at the Bull Creek Golf Course on April 5, 2008 and had sex with him in her car.

On December 31, 2008, Twiggs County deputies Richard Merideth and James Kristopher Baker were arrested after they acknowledged they both had sex with jail prisoner Jennifer Lyles. Lyles reported them after one of the deputies failed to bring her some cigarettes.

Hawaii

In October 2008, Markell Milsap pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a female prisoner at the Federal Detention Center in Hawaii. Milsap worked as an electrician at the prison; he reportedly pushed the woman against a wall, pulled down her pants and had sex with her.

The prisoner, identified only as Jane Doe, filed a lawsuit against Milsap and the federal government, which is pending. [See: Doe v. United States, U.S.D.C. (D. Hawaii), Case No. 1:08-cv-00517-SOM-BMK].

Milsap received a 10-month prison sentence on March 10, 2009, and the federal judge over his case described the sexual encounter, even if consensual, as “horribly wrong.”
Milsap will be required to register as a sex offender; his victim refused to testify against him.

Idaho

Tim Gilligan, a guard at a medium security men’s facility in Boise, was arrested on March 19, 2009 on a felony charge of having sexual contact with a female prisoner. While female prisoners are allowed to work at the men’s facility in administrative and cleaning positions, they do not have contact with male prisoners – presumably because they might be sexually assaulted. Apparently the same holds true for prison staff.

Illinois

In August 2007, former Jefferson County Justice Center guard Gary Lynch was arrested on charges of sexual assault and custodial misconduct. He was accused of forcing a female prisoner to have sexual intercourse and oral sex with him.

Lynch pleaded guilty to one charge of official misconduct in June 2008 in exchange for a sentence of 30 months probation and $1,500 in costs. He was also required to serve 90 days in jail and pay incarceration fees. Under the agreement, Lynch will spend the first 45 days of his probated sentence in jail and the last 45 days in jail. However, the last 45 days will be suspended if he stays out of trouble – which presumably means if he doesn’t sexually assault anyone else.

A Dwight Correctional Center prisoner referred to by the Chicago Tribune as Jane Doe was repeatedly forced to have sex with prison guards even though she had diminished lung capacity and was hooked up to an oxygen machine.

Doe filed a lawsuit on March 3, 2008, alleging that guards would come to her cell in the middle of the night and force her to have sex in the guards’ bathroom. Doe, who is afflicted with obstructive pulmonary lung disease, became pregnant from the rapes. She was an ex-beauty pageant winner, and apparently attractive enough that the guards did not care that she had to tote her oxygen tank with her to the bathroom where they would rape her.

“You can’t fight them because they grip you from behind the neck,” she said. “You don’t know if they’re going to kill you.”

Doe tried to report the attacks on numerous occasions. But instead of help, a prison administrator threatened to have a year added to her sentence. She was placed in segregation and her letters to her attorney and the media were intercepted or blocked. She was sexually assaulted 29 times, both before and after she was put in segregation.

In January 2007, after she was released, Doe gave birth to a baby boy. Her lawsuit names the warden, assistant warden, two lieutenants and eight prison guards who allegedly participated in a “rape squad.” [See: Doe v. Denning, U.S.D.C. (ND. Ill.), Case No. 1:08-cv-01265].

Joseph R. Cabell, a guard with the Peoria County Sheriff’s Dept., was arrested on February 3, 2009 on charges of official misconduct and custodial sexual misconduct.
Cabell was assigned to monitor a suicidal female prisoner who had been taken to a hospital; instead, he offered to help her make bail if she would give him oral sex.
Although she performed the sex act, Cabell was unsuccessful in obtaining her release. The prisoner then reported him.

Indiana

John Kelly, a civilian employee of the Bartholomew County Sheriff’s Department, was fired and arrested in August 2008 after it was learned he had an affair with a female prisoner. The charges against Kelly include sexual misconduct and official misconduct.

In January 2009, a manager at the Marion County Juvenile Detention Center was charged with felony counts of sexual misconduct and child seduction. Michael A. Jackson is accused of forcing a 16-year-old prisoner to perform oral sex on him; the incident occurred on Christmas Eve of last year.

Iowa

On January 18, 2008, former Dallas County jail administrator Deke Gliem was sentenced to eight years in prison for having sex with a prisoner, touching and kissing other prisoners, and watching them shower. He reportedly gave the prisoners telephone cards in exchange for sexual favors. Gliem’s misconduct was discovered during an investigation into $6,000 in missing telephone cards and $2,300 in missing cash at the jail.

Kansas

Eric A. Taylor was fired from his job as a guard at the Saline County Jail on July 14, 2008, and arrested on charges of inappropriately touching three female prisoners. He posted bond immediately. Taylor was found guilty on March 12, 2009 of three felony counts of unlawful sexual relations, and will be sentenced in late April.

Jennifer Stambaugh was a case manager with the Bureau of Prisons when she had an affair with a prisoner at the federal penitentiary at Leavenworth. Stambaugh lied to a federal investigator about the affair, claiming the two had never had a sexual relationship. She also denied that they had been in touch after his release from prison.

When the truth came out, Stambaugh came clean. In April 2008 she pleaded guilty to making a false statement to a Department of Justice investigator; she was sentenced on July 14, 2008 to six months house arrest, six months probation and a $3,000 fine.

Kentucky

An unnamed guard was fired and charged with a misdemeanor for forcibly demanding sex from a female prisoner at the CCA-operated Otter Creek Correctional Center, according to an October 2, 2008 news report. The woman saved evidence from the sexual assault.

The victim, a prisoner from Hawai’i, was subsequently placed in segregation for 50 days; prison officials claimed she was segregated due to an altercation with another prisoner, but that allegation was later dismissed. CCA changed its policy at the facility to require, “whenever possible,” a female guard to accompany male guards in the housing areas.

Louisiana

On February 19, 2009, Gary Dewayne Midkiff, a social worker at the Louisiana State Penitentiary, was arrested on one count of aggravated rape. Midkiff was accused of using threats of violence to perform oral sex on a male prisoner; his victim said Midkiff threatened to make false accusations against him, which would result in a beating by prison guards. The prisoner provided DNA evidence and investigators found that four other prisoners had accused Midkiff of sexual misconduct. Midkiff refused to provide a DNA sample for comparison purposes.

Maine

Glen Works was indicted in July 2008, accused of failure to report a sexual assault by another guard. He was employed at the Maine Correctional Center (MCC). Works resigned his position a week before the charges were filed; he subsequently pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge and was fined.

Bradford Howard was the MCC guard that Works covered for; he was also indicted in July 2008, on charges involving sex with two prisoners. Howard, a military veteran, was later sentenced to three years with all but four months suspended.

Massachusetts

Former prison guard Stanford Norman, 35, was sentenced on January 3, 2008 to two to three years for having sex with a female prisoner. Norman had sex with the woman while he was employed at the Hampden County Correctional Center.

Another former Hampden County guard, Brian Murphy, received two years probation; he was charged with luring the prisoner to the facility’s medical unit so Norman could have sex with her.

Michigan

On August 21, 2008, former Livingston County Deputy Sheriff Randy Boos pleaded guilty to three counts of second-degree criminal sexual conduct. Boos was accused of “touching the breasts and genital areas” of three prisoners while transporting them from the county jail; he will serve between 43 months and 15 years in prison.

PLN has previously reported on the systemic sexual abuse of female prisoners by guards in the Michigan DOC, and the resultant multi-million dollar verdicts in lawsuits brought by the victimized prisoners. [See: PLN, Jan. 2006, p.12; Oct. 2008, p.42].

Mississippi

On January 25, 2008, U.S. Marshals arrested former Mississippi prison guard Jennifer Danielle Readus, who had fled to Texas after she was charged with having sex with a prisoner. Readus was employed at the Central Mississippi Corr. Facility when she allegedly had a sexual relationship with prisoner Zachariah Combs.

Montana

Four female employees of the Montana State Prison were placed on paid suspension in September 2008 after they were accused of having sex with prisoners. All four later resigned, and a fifth male employee was placed under investigation. The County Attorney determined there was insufficient evidence to warrant criminal charges.

According to prisoner Michael Murphy, one of the prison employees – a mental health worker – had sex with him over 30 times. The Montana DOC took the Associated Press to court after the AP requested records related to the sexual misconduct investigation; state officials said they needed a judge to weigh privacy interests versus the public’s right to know.

“Corrections officers and officials whose work involves interacting with inmates at the Montana State Prison hold positions of high public trust involving the safety and well-being of the public, and therefore have a reduced expectation of privacy when accused of wrongdoing involving their interaction with inmates,” stated David K.W. Wilson, Jr., who represents the Associated Press. The public records suit is still pending. [See: Montana DOC v. Associated Press, 1st Judicial District Court (MT), Cause No. CDV-2008-1091].

Nebraska

Former prison guards Becky Willison and Keri Ann Brandt were charged with delivering contraband into a correctional facility, felony criminal conspiracy-escape, and giving false information to a law enforcement officer after it was discovered they had sneaked saw blades into the North Central Correctional and Rehabilitation Center. Willison was also charged with felony sexual assault and tampering with physical evidence.

Officials believe the two women were part of a foiled escape attempt hatched after Willison began having a sexual relationship with one of the three prisoners involved.

Willison pleaded guilty and was sentenced on Feb. 19, 2008 to five years in prison on state charges. In June 2008 she received a consecutive four-year sentence on related federal charges; Brandt received the same state and federal sentences as part of a plea bargain.

Former jail guard Jason Keller avoided trial on March 3, 2008 when he pleaded no contest to sexually abusing a female prisoner at the Hall County Jail. As part of the plea agreement, the County Attorney’s office recommended probation and opined that Keller would not have to register as a sex offender.

Gary Fowler was a teacher at the Omaha Correctional Facility when he engaged in an illegal sexual encounter with a 47-year-old prisoner. He was sentenced on October 14, 2008 to two years probation.

Nevada

Nye County Deputy Sheriff Daryal Taylor was arrested on March 26, 2008 after a female prisoner accused him of sexual assault while he was transporting her. Investigators obtained information that corroborated the victim’s allegations, and determined that Taylor had used his position to obtain sex from the woman.

New Hampshire

Former prison chaplain Ralph Flodin, 70, was indicted in June 2007 on nine counts of aggravated felonious sexual assault against a 24-year-old female prisoner. Flodin had been the chaplain at the Strafford County House of Corrections for over ten years. He was convicted following a jury trial in May 2008, based largely on a videotaped confession in which he admitted to touching and kissing the victim.

He was sentenced to 2 to 10 years in prison plus a 12-month suspended sentence on Sept. 5, 2008. “Sadly, what we have here is another instance when someone within the jail community has used his or her authority to coerce sexual favors,” said County Attorney Tom Velardi.

On November 18, 2008, Douglas Tower, 63, pleaded guilty to raping three women living at a halfway house. Tower was supervisor of the Shea Farm halfway house in Concord; he told the women he would return them to prison or deny visits from their children unless they submitted to his sexual demands.

As part of the plea bargain, charges involving 8 more victims were dropped. At the time of his guilty plea Tower was already serving 21 to 40 years for sexually assaulting two other residents at the halfway house. He received additional sentences of 10-20 years in the plea deal, which were suspended. Thirty female prisoners and one prison employee sued the state due to sexual abuse or harassment by Tower; the suits were settled in March 2008 for $1.9 million.

New Jersey

Cape May County jail guard Thomas Koochembere was convicted on February 28, 2008 of official misconduct and criminal sexual contact for having sex with two prisoners. Evidence presented at trial included one of the prisoner’s underwear, which contained Koochembere’s DNA.

One of his victims testified that she did not scream for help because the guard had power over her. “That man holds my freedom in his hands,” she stated. Koochembere contended that the women had in fact raped him, and that his DNA was obtained by force when they threatened him with a pair of scissors – an alleged incident he did not report at the time.
“Why did he do it?” asked Assistant Prosecutor Matthew D. Weintraub. “He did it because he could.”

Koochembere received sentences of 3 and 5 years on May 8, 2008. A federal lawsuit was filed against the county by one of the prisoners, Demetria Marshall. [See: Marshall v. Koochembere, U.S.D.C. (D. NJ), Case No. 1:07-cv-03191].

On February 22, 2009, Morris County guard Lon Sainato allegedly pressured a male prisoner performing community service work into a sex act. Sainato was charged with sexual assault and official misconduct.

New Mexico

Cibola County Detention Center guard Deandra McNeill, 20, was fired on March 4, 2009 after jail officials determined she had a sexual relationship with a prisoner. She was arrested by the State Police later that month and charged with criminal sexual penetration.

In a 2008 report, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found that the Torrance County Detention Facility in Estancia, New Mexico had the highest rate of sexual victimization by staff members in a survey of over 280 jails nationwide. The facility is operated by CCA, and on Sept. 30, 2008, county and CCA officials appeared before the Review Panel on Prison Rape to discuss the jail’s excessively high rate of sexual abuse.

Interestingly, CCA’s general counsel, Gus Puryear, is a commissioner on the National Prison Rape Elimination Commission – but has missed half of the Commission’s eight public hearings. [See: PLN, March 2009, p.6]. Apparently CCA places little importance on the prevention of sexual abuse in the company’s for-profit facilities.

New York

In December 2006, Raymond “Mickey” Dunham, Jr., a major with the Berkshire County Sheriff’s Department, was indicted on four counts of having sexual relations with a prisoner. Dunham was one of two unit managers at the Berkshire County House of Corrections.

Dunham initially insisted he was innocent, but pleaded guilty to having sex with two prisoners; he was sentenced in May 2008 to a maximum of one year and one day in prison.

Three civilian jail workers were arrested in November and December 2008, and charged with multiple counts of having sex with prisoners at the Gouverneur Correctional Facility.
The employees, all women, were Laura E. Douglass, Lisa A. Vaughn and Rachel S. Patterson.

Over the course of two years Vaughn allegedly had sex with four male prisoners. She was charged with 16 counts of third-degree rape, third-degree sexual assault and official misconduct. Douglass was charged with 11 counts of third-degree rape, one count of criminal sexual act and one count of promoting prison contraband. One of the women would reportedly stand lookout while the other had sex.

Patterson was charged with three counts of third-degree criminal sexual act and official misconduct, two counts of second-degree sexual abuse and one count of petit larceny.

North Carolina

It will be hard for former Bertie Correctional Facility guard Tameka Mebane to deny she had sex with a prisoner at the maximum-security prison, as one allegedly got her pregnant. She was criminally charged in February 2009. “According to her, she was pregnant from the inmate. That’s what she told me,” stated Windsor Police Sgt. Rick Morris. “I’m only human,” Mebane remarked. “Everyone makes mistakes.”

Ohio

A dark cell turned into a dark day at trial for former Richland County jail guard James N. Campain. A former female prisoner testified that Campain turned out the lights in her cell and fondled her breasts, after which she sexually gratified him.

“He unzipped his pants, and I did what I did,” she stated. Campain later gave her cigarettes.

Campain’s misconduct was exposed when another female prisoner filed a grievance against him. She testified that while she worked in the kitchen Campain would rub up against her and ask to see her breasts. Campain was a 13-year veteran at the jail; he was charged with three counts of sexual battery, one count of gross sexual imposition and ten counts of dereliction of duty.

He was found guilty at trial in January 2008, sentenced to a total of nine years, and classified as a Tier III sex offender.

Oklahoma

Custer County Sheriff Mike Burgess resigned on April 16, 2008 after being accused of using female prisoners as sex slaves. Burgess, who had been sheriff since 1994, was charged with 35 felony counts including rape, forcible oral sodomy and bribery by a public official.

The allegations were brought by 12 former prisoners who testified they were coerced into participating in a variety of sexual activities for the jail’s employees, including wet T-shirt contests.

Several women testified that Burgess, who was a member of a drug court panel, threatened to send them to prison if they didn’t have sex with him. Members of the panel decide who attends the rehab program and who is incarcerated.

Burgess was convicted of 13 felony charges in January 2009, and received a 79-year sentence in March. The jury had recommended 94 years. A lawsuit has been filed against the county by Burgess’ victims. [See: McGowan v. Burgess, U.S.D.C. (WD Okla.), Case No. 5:07-cv-01168-HE].

Joi Ilene Starr, a former secretary at the Joseph Harp Correctional Center, was charged with first-degree rape on June 26, 2008. Starr admitted to a prison investigator that she had sex with a male prisoner the previous year. In July 2008, Katrina Lavern Hinds (aka Katrina Black), an employee at the Lexington Assessment and Reception Center, was charged with first-degree rape for engaging in sex with a prisoner. Although both Hinds and Starr’s sexual encounters were consensual, they still face up to life in prison if convicted.

In April 2009, former Jackie Brannon Correctional Center guard Stacy Marie Smith was charged with sexual battery and rape by instrumentation, involving a male prisoner. She was released on $10,000 bond.

Oregon

Cindy L. Roberts was a contract nurse at the Cowlitz County Jail when she allegedly had sex with a 27-year-old prisoner. She was arrested on May 31, 2008 and charged with introducing contraband into a jail and attempted custodial sexual misconduct.

Paul Golden, a landscaper at the Coffee Creek Correctional Facility, a women’s prison, was jailed in January 2009 on charges of sexual abuse, sexual misconduct and providing contraband to prisoners.

Pennsylvania

Sex and contraband charges resulted in guilty verdicts in a wide-ranging investigation involving staff at the Monroe County Correctional Facility. Six former guards and a kitchen worker were charged. Ex-guard Mark Gutshall pleaded guilty to institutional sexual assault on Dec. 17, 2007 and received a 3-23 month prison sentence; he has since been paroled. The other jail employees, who were charged with contraband-related offenses, received probation. [See: PLN, Dec. 2007, p.1].

On July 11, 2008, former prison worker Gregory A. Williams was found guilty of four counts of institutional sexual assault and one count of official oppression; he was acquitted of four other charges. Williams was a food service manager at the Cambridge Springs Correctional Institution when he engaged in oral sex with prisoners Melissa Torres and Helen McCandless-Weiss. He was sentenced to a minimum of four months in jail on October 8, 2008.

Northumberland County Prison guard Brandon Fraim resigned on December 10, 2008 after he was caught in an amorous embrace with a female prisoner. Fraim admitted the incident happened but said, “I just got caught up with flirting with young girls. They make it sound like there was sex, but it was just kissing.”

However, videos revealed that Fraim had been sneaking into the women prisoners’ quarters since last spring. Prison guard Gregg Cupp also resigned; both he and Fraim were charged in January 2009 with having sexual contact with prisoners. Deputy Warden John Conrad had shrugged off initial reports of the guards’ misconduct as “silly talk.”

On November 13, 2008, former prison guard Michael Waters received a 23-month sentence for having sexual encounters with a female prisoner at the Delaware County Prison. He began serving his sentence, at his former workplace, later that same month.

South Carolina

On April 3, 2008, former prison guard Lori Clawson Johnson was arrested on charges of sexual misconduct with a prisoner following an investigation by the State Law Enforcement Division and the Dept. of Corrections. Johnson was employed at the Tyger River Correctional Institution when the incidents occurred.

Tennessee

Jackson County Sheriff Kenneth Bean initially refused to step down after being charged with numerous counts of sexual contact involving at least 10 female jail prisoners. A six-month investigation revealed that Bean had coerced prisoners to have sex by threatening to plant evidence against them. He was also charged with failure to secure and maintain evidence.

“[Bean] offered and gave illegal drugs and favorable treatment to inmates in exchange for sexual favors,” said special prosecutor Alan Poindexter.

In September 2008, as part of a plea bargain, Sheriff Bean resigned and pleaded guilty to a charge of simple assault. Under the plea agreement he cannot run for sheriff again for six years. Additionally, three Jackson County deputies were convicted on charges involving sex with female prisoners.

On June 13, 2008, Kevin D. Vance, a former employee of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office, was arrested and charged with having sexual contact with a female prisoner. Vance had worked at the jail for over three years.

Montgomery County jail employee Santiago Alcantara had been fired for the same offense a month earlier. Both Vance and Alcantara pleaded guilty in October 2008, and each received two years pre-trial diversion and probation.

Thomas Baccus was a guard at the Henderson County Jail when he was suspended in March 2008, then fired for having a sexual relationship with a female prisoner. He was arrested last June and charged with felony sexual contact and official misconduct. Baccus had previously been terminated from the Turney Center Industrial Prison, a state facility, for having white supremacy propaganda on his MySpace webpage.

Former Shelby County jail guard Antonious Totten was charged with sexual contact with a female prisoner in March 2007. Totten was supervising several women on a work detail when he decided to hook up with one of them. The two reportedly had sex in a van in full view of the other prisoners, who remained silent because they did not want to lose their jobs. After one prisoner eventually came forward they all were called as witnesses.

Totten’s attorney, Blake Ballin, called the witnesses against his client “a parade of liars, thieves, cheats and forgers.” Nevertheless, Totten was convicted and sentenced to one year in jail. The sentence was suspended except for time he had to serve on weekends.

On November 18, 2008, Angel Harris appeared in court on felony charges of having sexual contact with a prisoner. Harris was employed at the CCA-run Silverdale Detention Center in Chattanooga at the time the incident took place.

Texas

On July 2, 2008, three female guards at the Liberty County Jail, Angelia Perales, Techa Fowler and Tynisha Pierre, were arrested for having sex with prisoners. The women were employees of Civigenics, a private company that runs the jail; they were charged with violation of the civil rights of a person in custody, a felony.

“This type of offense is taken very seriously. Not only is it a violation of law, policies and procedures, it puts the safety of all people in the correctional facility at risk. If they are at risk, then the public is subsequently at risk,” said Sheriff Greg Arthur.

Guards at the South Texas Detention Complex, an immigration detention facility, have been accused of rampant sexual abuse involving detainees. Former guards at the prison went on record with local news reporters, saying that sexual abuse of female prisoners had been going on for years. According to investigators, guards threatened detainees with deportation and lied by telling them they could help them stay in the country if they had sex with them. The facility is operated by the GEO Group (formerly Wackenhut Corrections).

One guard, Joseph Canales, was fired after he reportedly got a prisoner pregnant. But whistleblowers – several of whom were fired after reporting the sexual abuse – insisted that was only one of many pregnancies that resulted from rapist guards run amok at the detention facility. The allegations have been referred to the Office of the Inspector General (OIG).

David W. Morris was sentenced on June 2, 2008 to five years probation for having consensual sex with two female prisoners. He was caught on video sneaking into the women’s cells at the Jefferson County Jail. One of the prisoners was a former sheriff’s employee who had worked with Morris before she was incarcerated.

Lindsey Ann Russell lost her job as a Coryell County jail guard after she was arrested in September 2008 for improper sexual conduct with a prisoner. The following month another guard at the jail, Richard Samuel Linn, resigned after he was indicted on similar charges.

Last year’s sexual abuse scandal involving the Texas Youth Commission (TYC) has claimed yet another casualty. On August 11, 2008, former TYC guard Janice Marie Simpson was sentenced to four years deferred adjudication, probation, and a $500 fine for having sex with an 18-year-old prisoner at the Al Price Juvenile Correctional Facility.

A number of other TYC officials, including administrators Ray E. Brookins and John Paul Hernandez, were indicted on charges of sexually abusing juvenile offenders. [See: PLN, Feb. 2008, p.1]. Brookins’ trial has been delayed due to the arrest of his attorney, Scott M. Dolin, on undisclosed charges.

On February 27, 2009, six female guards at the Montague County Jail were indicted on charges of having sex with prisoners and bringing contraband into the facility. One of the guards, Shawna Marie Herr (aka Shawna Marie McCrary), pleaded guilty on March 23, 2009 and received five years probation and a $4,000 fine.

The former sheriff for Montague County, Bill Keating, faces a state charge involving sexual misconduct with a prisoner; he has already pleaded guilty to a federal charge of coercing a woman into having sex with him to avoid being jailed. Keating will be sentenced on May 1, 2009.

Utah

Carbon County drug court supervisor Melanie Madill pleaded guilty to one count of custodial sexual relations and three counts of evidence tampering on March 24, 2009. Madill was a jail guard over the county’s drug court when she had a sexual relationship with a prisoner and helped him and other prisoners pass drug tests. She has not yet been sentenced.

Virginia

Patrick Owen Gee was head of security at the Fluvanna Correctional Center for Women. He’s now serving time himself. Gee was convicted of four counts of carnal knowledge with a prisoner following a jury trial in October 2008. He entered Alford pleas to two other charges, and was sentenced on January 8, 2009 to 10 years in prison with five years suspended, plus two years of supervised probation.

Washington

In July 2007, current and former female prisoners joined together in a lawsuit against the Washington Dept. of Corrections. They accused prison officials of failing to protect them from sexual abuse by guards at the Washington Corrections Center for Women (WCCW).
The DOC promised major reforms in response to the class action suit; some of the changes include hiring more female guards, installing more surveillance cameras and having the State Patrol conduct an independent investigation. Seven male prison employees have been suspended.

The current and former WCCW prisoners are represented by Columbia Legal Services and the Public Interest Law Group; their lawsuit is still pending. [See: Doe v. Clarke, Thurston County Superior Court, Case No. 07-2-01513-0].

On November 14, 2008, Eddie Garbitt was sentenced to 1 year and 7 months after he pleaded guilty to three counts of custodial misconduct. Garbitt, a former WCCW supervisor and 15-year DOC veteran, had coerced three prisoners into having sex with him. He was originally charged with seven counts but four were dropped as part of a plea agreement.

A former mental health counselor at the King County juvenile detention center, Flo-Mari Crisostomo, began serving a six-month sentence on April 6, 2009 following her conviction on first-degree custodial sexual misconduct charges. She had sex with a 17-year-old prisoner and gave him candy and phone privileges. Her counseling license has since been revoked.

West Virginia

A guard at the Southern Regional Jail was arrested on October 21, 2008 for having sex with a prisoner. Stephen Gillespie was discovered by a supervisor, who literally caught him with his pants down; the 16-year veteran was released on $25,000 bond.

Wisconsin

In June 2008, Becky Bathke, a former Oshkosh Correctional Institution employee, was sentenced to 18 months in prison for having sex with two male prisoners. Bathke worked in the prison’s education department when she arranged sexual encounters with prisoners Ryan K. Rowe and Mark Prevatt.

On January 15, 2008, jail guard Nanette Vorath was charged with three counts of engaging in illegal behavior with prisoners. The FBI had recorded 78 phone conversations between Vorath and prisoners at the Waukesha County Jail; she reportedly had a sexual relationship with one prisoner, gave another prescription drugs and supplied a third with smuggled documents.

Vorath was an 11-year veteran. She pleaded guilty to felony misconduct charges and was sentenced to three years probation on January 8, 2009.

Brian Bohlmann, a doctor at the Stanley Correctional Institution, was charged in August 2008 with six counts of sexual assault for inappropriately touching prisoners during medical examinations. While examining one male prisoner for back problems, Bohlmann allegedly concentrated his attention on the patient’s genital and rectal area.

On September 30, 2008, Julie Alt, a sergeant at the Oak Hill Correctional Institution, was charged with second-degree sexual assault and one count of intimidation. Alt reportedly had sex with two prisoners while working at the prison.

Investigators obtained a confession from one prisoner, Darius Wade. That confession led to taped phone calls between Wade and Alt, which provided investigators with even more evidence. “I’m going to lose my job and I’m going to end up in, probably second-degree sexual assault,” Alt stated in one recorded conversation.

Paul Vick, Jr., a sergeant at the Milwaukee Secure Detention Facility, was charged on January 28, 2009 with 15 felonies related to sex involving three female prisoners. The charges include four counts of delivering illegal articles to a prisoner, five counts of second-degree sexual assault of a prisoner, one count of second-degree sexual assault by use of threat of force or violence, and five counts of misconduct in public office.

Full story.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
The story of Chris J (previously posted):

Chris J. got gang-raped in prison today. He needs surgery to fix his rectum, and probably other medical attention for the rest of his injuries but he's probably not going to get it. He knows this and is thinking about the pain his rectal scarring is going to cause him for the rest of his life. He laid in his bed for a little while covered in semen and his own blood thinking about AIDS. Since shower time has come and gone, he cleaned himself up with the water in the toilet, he also sat on it for a long time trying as hard as he could to evacuate all the semen out of him. His phone card was stolen as punishment for fighting back and he doesn't have any money in his account to call anyone on the outside, so he's just trying to deal with it on his own. Many inmates and guards are already making fun of him and discussing prices for having a go at him within his earshot. After TV time he's going to have to try and sleep in his cell with 2 other guys who ain't trying to hear his sob story and may even have been involved in his attack.

The pictures of his wife and kids were taken as punishment with promises to defecate or ejaculate on them while a different man was inside him as further punishment for fighting back. He's been clean for 9 months but that heroin would make all this pain go away for just a little while. Chris is more likely than not to go back to the heroin.

Chris will never be able to fully express the pain and rage caused by his rape even to a professional; and he's definitely not getting insurance which covers the help he needs when he gets out. This psychological trauma will have a severe impact on his ability to have healthy relationships on the Outside- out in the World- and will likely lead to bad arguments with his wife resulting in domestic violence. The effects his mental state has on his kids will be profound and probably irreversible. They might grow up in the sort of state in which prison is a very real possibility. When they find out what happened to dad how will they react?

His pain and anger will manifest itself in all sorts of ways and he might go off on some taxpayer in a convenience store or seriously injure someone who cuts him off in traffic. When that happens Chris will go back to prison and there will be similar ripple effects on his victims. Even if that doesn't happen remember Chris uses heroin to suppress his pain and will likely be re-arrested on a drug charge or a property crime he did to get heroin money.

Since there are no secrets in prison when Chris returns it will already be known he is a bitch who likes it in the rear end, and he will have to become someone's sex slave. Staff will encourage this. Or he can stab somebody to try get a new rep. If he wins the knife fight & isn't killed outright, the person he kills has loved ones & family members who will become enraged at this, and the violence will continue.

What happened to Chris happened to 200 people today if you go by Alberto Gonzales' DOJ. If you go by HRW it happened to more than 400 people. This does not include juveniles in programs like Nihilanthic posts.

This is every day, every state. There are no exceptions. Going by HRW's numbers it's one Chris every four minutes.

You could be the next Chris, no matter how white you are- no matter how rich your family is. The Machine cares not. It must feed and It will feed.

And the Machine will never be satisfied.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
More from the original thread



Judas Chongo posted:

I was at a TCADP round table meeting like 2 months ago with the author of this article and this was part of the discussion along with changing the debate on the death penalty.

http://combatingglobalization.com/articles/globalization_and_the_incarceration_of_the_black_working_class.html





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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H9CAdwGMiU


In the last five years, more juvenile offenders were killed in Texas than in the rest of the world combined. America continues to defend its right to execute children.

"They think we're beasts. And we deserve nothing else other than our execution," despairs Oswaldo. He's been on death row since he was 17, after accidentally killing a man during an armed robbery. "In 12 years, I haven't had a hug or a kiss." In Louisiana, Lawrence Jacob Jr is also fighting for his life. Like Oswaldo, he was only 17 when he was sentenced to death. "I'm not asking you to release me. I'm only asking you for the chance to rehabilitate," he reasons. Cerebral research proves that the brains of 17 year olds have not developed as much as adults. "Youths at that age are much too impulsive and don't have the control," explains one expert. But in America, that's no bar to their execution.

hiding from goro posted:

quote:

hiding from goro, i have a question.

as probably the only one in LF who has first-hand experience of either, how do you think the american corrections system stacks up with systems of chattel slavery, like that employed by the pre-civil war US or the roman empire? because the ways we use prisoners now and the way our prison industrial complex is staffed and grown have highly distressing parallels with the roman system of industrial slavery

Funny you should mention that, since the concept of private prisons and privatized inmate labor started as an end-run around slavery prohibitions after the Civil War.

When slavery was banned in 1865, there was a big shortage of cheap labor for the Reconstruction, so in 1868 they came up with a plan where you could stop by the prison and lease inmates for $1 to $4 per month ($13 to $55 per month in 2009 dollars) and work them as hard as you liked; until they either died from exhaustion, committed suicide, or cut off their own hands/feet in order to be sent back to the prison as defective.

Customers loved it- they were even cheaper than slaves and required less upkeep, since as the saying went "one dies, get another." This predictably caused an explosion in the prison population (tenfold in Georgia for example), and an increase in percentage of black inmates from 33% to 60% in the South. This practice went on until 1928 when Alabama finally let it end.

Slavery in the Third Millenium.

Forced Labor in the 19th Century South.

John DiIulio, Jr. The Duty to Govern 1990 posted:



“In the nineteenth century, Texas leased its penitentiary (which survives today as the Huntsville “Walls” unit) to private contractors. For a few dollars per month per convict, the contractors were allowed to sublease their charges to farmers, tanners, and other businessmen. It was not long before the inmates began to appear in poor clothing and without shoes. Worked mercilessly, most convicts died within seven years of their incarceration. Escapes and escape attempts were frequent. Conditions were so horrid that some inmates were driven to suicide while other maimed themselves to get out of work or as a pathetic form of protest.”

Texas was a pioneer in the leasing system, just like today where it's the biggest bastion of private prisons.


Ida Wells & Frederick Douglass mentioned the convict leasing system in their writings.

quote:

Frederick Douglass

The Convict Lease System and Lynch Law are twin infamies which flourish hand in hand in many of the United States. They are the two great outgrowths and results of the class legislation under which our people suffer to-day.

Here's a whole book about it:
One Dies, Get Another

HidingFromGoro posted:


Reaganomicon posted:

well surely privately-run prisons are better at some things right? because free market

meatball posted:

They better at keeping browns and poors in their walls



Actually, guards are 49% more likely to get assaulted in a private prison, and inmates are 65% more likely (pdf) - despite the fact that a state prison is 7 times more likely to house violent offenders than a private one is. Usually a private prison will try and keep everyone "doing the Thorazine shuffle" or stoned out of their gourds on Haldol (which has significant negative side effects even when properly prescribed/administered); the increased violence is largely due to substandard training and mismanagement.

The "cost savings" of a private prison (when they're not just outright lies) are further artificially inflated because private prisons have a say in who they admit, and tend not to take the more expensive inmates with medical or mental health costs. Also:

Cost-Saving or Cost-Shifting: The Fiscal Impact of Prison Privatization in Arizona posted:


But the research used to justify the expansion of the private prison program is methodologically flawed, outdated and, in one case, discredited by the researcher's financial ties to the private prison industry. And critical issues such as the implications of municipal bond financing of private expansion have never been addressed.

Justice Strategies found that no rigorous, independent evaluation had been made of Arizona's private prison program, nor had the cost-comparison figures reported by DOC been independently audited. Existing research failed to account for key factors such as population characteristics, facility design and proper allocation of costs.

Private prison companies also influence policy, through their lobbyist-puppets at ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council (also funded by Amway, Exxon, National Rifle Association, Philip Morris, and others). ALEC is/was instrumental in getting things like Truth in Sentencing and Three Strikes laws passed. Each year, they introduce between 800 and 3,100 pieces of legislation.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

HidingFromGoro posted:


This 12-year old boy is being tried as an adult in Indiana, charged with killing his allegedly abusive stepfather.

If convicted, he'll serve up to 65 years in prison. He's being held in adult jail along with his 15-year old co-defendant until the trial.



""Wawasee Middle School Parent Amanda Hyndman posted:


"At least [for] the 12 year old the adult charge is kind of strong but nowadays...if they can do the crime do the time."


HidingFromGoro posted:

In Iowa, black juveniles are arrested and incarcerated at a rate six times higher than whites, due to a system that the state euphemistically refers to as DMC or "Disproportionate Minority Contact."

In the government's own words- "both offending characteristics and racial bias appear to be contributing factors to African American overrepresentation in secure detention and in the juvenile justice system"

Again, in the government's own words:
• Overall arrests for Caucasian youth decreased during the report years.
• Arrests for African-American youth have increased nearly 60% in recent years.
o Arrests of African American youth for simple misdemeanors, assault (49% increase)
and disorderly conduct (213% increase), were the specific offenses that most directly
influenced the increase.
• African-American youth are arrested at a rate nearly six times higher than Caucasian
youth.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

He believed that the article said that the man who owned the house commented that the APC had no signs on it while the picture clearly shows it did. However, I just read the article again to find this and it clearly says that the apc was out of site and the men outside had no distinguishing marks on him. So my dad was an idiot who saw what he wanted to see I guess.

I can point it out to him tomorrow but I doubt that would change his mind about anything. After all, as I previously stated, he has massive reservations about the validity of all the stories.


Well it's quite simple. He believes that the Vietnam War was justified for containing the spread of communism (he also believes the age old bullshit that the media lost the war for us but whatever), that Nixon got a bad rep, that the CIA is justified to do ALL it does in the name of national security, and that Reagan was a great president. So to him, the system is working fine.

Its an unfortunately common fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon

The just-world phenomenon, also called the just-world theory, just-world fallacy, just-world effect, or just-world hypothesis, refers to the tendency for people to want to believe that the world is just so strongly that when they witness an otherwise inexplicable injustice they will rationalize it by searching for things that the victim might have done to deserve it. This deflects their anxiety, and lets them continue to believe the world is a just place, but often at the expense of blaming victims for things that were not, objectively, their fault.

Another theory entails the need to protect one's own sense of invulnerability. This inspires people to believe that rape, for example, only happens to those who deserve or provoke the assault. This is a way of feeling safer. If the potential victim avoids the behaviors of the past victims then they themselves will remain safe and feel less vulnerable.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
In the youtube documentary about kids being sentenced to death, the pinhead defending it pointed to scripture as his primary motivation.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
I remember you mentioning the guy on the spectrum in the ask/tell thread. Seeing as he was a sex offender, I could easily imagine him believing that groping someone was not an impolite way to show affection, or at the very least being to impulsive to think about something so counter-intuitive as the idea that other people have personal space. That or being told by someone, as a prank, to express his affection inappropriately. That really is a sad story.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
The root of a lot of these problems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMM_T_PJ0Rs&feature=player_embedded

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

HidingFromGoro posted:

Ok.


Pregnant woman in Arpaio's jail beaten in the stomach, causing miscarriage + nearly bleeding to death; denied medical care for 3 weeks (despite doctor orders). They made her wait 3 weeks to have the dead fetus taken out.

Pregnant woman in Arpaio's jail denied medical care for 4 hours after complications develop, resulting in death of her baby- and she's not the only one. Oh and the jail staff tried to stop her from getting to see or hold her baby afterwards.

Diabetic denied insulin until she died- because she might have been "faking it."

Pregnant women sent to private prisons where their newborns are subsequently denied medical treatment after suffering life-threating illness, resulting in permanent injury. Then prison argues they didn't have an obligation to provide treatment.

Crohn's disease patient denied care until he nearly died, then gets major surgery without his knowledge or explanation. The $4/day medication to prevent this would have been too expensive.

Pregnant women denied medical care, left in pools of their own filth for days, then beaten by guards until the braces are torn off their teeth.

Forcible injections of improperly prescribed medications like Haldol & Zyprexa, which is actually a criminal offense.

Denied medical care even when inmates have holes in their skulls, or when paraplegics develop bedsores go untreated for a year

Penis amputation (along with 6 pounds of flesh removed form groin area) in Washington as a result of failure to treat gangrene

Female inmate impregnated by rapist guard, then kicked in the stomach by other guards to cause miscarriage

DnD/LF/Smart People response: "Fuuuuuuck :aaaaa: people should be rioting in the streets!" :sympathy:

Majority of US public: "Can't do the time, don't do the crime" :smug: OR "I don't believe this, there is no way that's real. Police are good people, they wouldn't do that. Why do you hate the police so much?" :clint: OR "Well at least that will never happen to me, that only happens to people who break the law and I would never get in that position in the first place." :v:

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
I thought Dave Chappelle did it best when he did a skit where for one day, the criminal justice system worked in reverse. Institutional crimes were treated like street crimes and street crimes were treated like institutional crimes. While, he loses some points by making it a racial thing, because some white redneck DUI is going to get similar treatment, I think the skit does a good job of consciousness raising. How is Goldman-Sachs any less destructive than a small time coke dealer?

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

HidingFromGoro posted:

I haven't seen this (I've only seen the "fifth!" one) and don't have cable. Is it available online?

Its that one.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

BattleMaster posted:

The Phoenix Wright series makes a complete mockery of evidence laws. They're still fun to play, though.

The Phoenix Wright series makes a complete mockery of all laws.

Wright: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, err, Judge, since every case I've been in has been a bench trial for some reason, as you have just seen, I have proven my client could not have been at the scene, that the prosecutors witnesses have all perjured themselves, and thus my client cannot be guilty."

Edgeworth: "But who did do it? If you can't get a witness to tearfully confess on the stand, Matlock style, you have no case."

Wright: "Isn't that detective gumshoes job?! Am I the only one who went to law school?"

With, bench trials, no presumption of innocence, LA being a 20 minute drive from a traditional Japanese village within view of Mt. Fuji, and dominatrix proceutors who can literally hit witnesses and the defense council with whips, I would say that anyone who has ever played an Ace Attorney game should be as qualified to talk about law as a Warhammer 40k fan should be to talk about military tactics, handing soldiers swords and having Barrack Obama lead the charge, since he's an leader unit, he must be more badass than everyone.

I would have believed them if they had just said that the game takes place in Japan. Since apparently in Japan, they have no jury trials, prosecutors use police as their own personal army, and you can be put to death after a 3 day trial if the judge gets irritated by your defense attorney on any one of those days.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Ganguro King posted:

Well, Phoenix Wright is originally a Japanese game...

I know, thats my point. They could have just said the whole thing takes place in Japan and I would have believed them. Why even bother claiming it takes place in the US and try to say that Maya is wearing "hippie clothes" instead of a kimono.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

mew force shoelace posted:

I hope no one misinterprets me as supporting the sort of things that have been done because it is raw and pure evil.

But some of this stuff exists legitimately in special ed. There are autistic kids that do repeated behavior and one day will just get it in their head to scratch their eyes over and over no matter what and are not high functioning enough to get rationalized or even punished away from it, and the only thing that can be done is to physically keep them from it for the period until they move to another behavior.


Yeah, I work in special ed and our most severe cases are something of a ticking liability time bomb. We got a kid who flips out and bites people when he does get what he wants but he's also double jointed so the physical restraint that we're allowed to use doesn't work. What he wants often includes digging in the garbage and eating what he finds or groping the crotches of female gen ed students he passes by on the way to lunch. His parents frequently also neglect him but see fit to collect his government checks, which is a big part of the problem. So either we're going to get sued for hurting this kid or sued by the parents of one of the gen ed students he sexually assaults.

We used to have another kid who would flip out and attack other kids without provokation and when he couldn't that would bang his head against the wall. His parents refused to let him be medicated because of theatans despite paying other people to take care of him since their house was not set up to have an autistic child that breaks and throws things. He was non-verbal would also spend all day screaming like "AHH! AHHH! AHH! EEEE! EEEE! EEE!" for hours at a time.

I also worked in a class where there was a girl who was completely non-verbal and would just dart lightning fast and snatch whatever she wanted, like other people's lunch and flip out when she didn't get it. Sometimes she would take her pants off and rub one off publically.

Another guy did the same thing except he also liked to knock over containers and watch the contents spill out. He got his whole school banned from the science museum when he dumped out two enormous fish tanks. He was an escape artist, really good and getting out of the holds we're allowed to use on him. His parents were really sue happy on top of it, convinced he could do calculus in a gen ed class despite being non-verbal and not able to tell numbers apart, so no school wanted the liability of working with him.

I will say I do like working in this business but we certainly have no shortage of "war stories."

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

flux_core posted:

I'm kind of trying to orient this thread towards the private for-profit prison industry which makes its money off of scamming parents, social services and mental health providers by commoditizing children and then torturing and brainwashing them for years.

It kind of fits, and I was hoping to stir up discussion, not use it as a brick-bat against you. I'm sorry if you received it that way.

I was also a bit amped up expecting someone to act like a complete Neanderthal about "tuff love" but I guess teenagers being raped, forced to soil themselves and brainwashed while being told it's for their own good scared away everyone from the thread.

This isn't GBS and even there that crowd is a lot thinner than the general population. Post this thread on some forum where there aren't a lot of internet people or put this threads content in a youtube video and watch the endless comments of people who refuse to consider what they have seen, if they have even bothered reading saying things like "can't do the time, don't do the crime" or "I was a victim, hang them!"

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

HidingFromGoro posted:

Right but you're able to handle these kids without killing them.

There's a difference between those war stories and what this bill is trying to prevent- and you know it. It even has an exemption to allow (sometimes fatal) restraint measures to prevent injury, and you could drive a bus through that provision. Look at what cops can do if they're "concerned for officer safety" or "thought he was dangerous," or all the rest.


I wasn't posting an argument.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
From The Republic

quote:

Glaucon - CEPHALUS - SOCRATES

Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and there we found his brothers Lysias and Euthydemus, and with them Thrasymachus the Chalcedonian, Charmantides the Paeanian, and Cleitophon the son of Aristonymus. There too was Cephalus the father of Polemarchus, whom I had not seen for a long time, and I thought him very much aged. He was seated on a cushioned chair, and had a garland on his head, for he had been sacrificing in the court; and there were some other chairs in the room arranged in a semicircle, upon which we sat down by him. He saluted me eagerly, and then he said: --

You don't come to see me, Socrates, as often as you ought: If I were still able to go and see you I would not ask you to come to me. But at my age I can hardly get to the city, and therefore you should come oftener to the Piraeus. For let me tell you, that the more the pleasures of the body fade away, the greater to me is the pleasure and charm of conversation. Do not then deny my request, but make our house your resort and keep company with these young men; we are old friends, and you will be quite at home with us.

I replied: There is nothing which for my part I like better, Cephalus, than conversing with aged men; for I regard them as travellers who have gone a journey which I too may have to go, and of whom I ought to enquire, whether the way is smooth and easy, or rugged and difficult. And this is a question which I should like to ask of you who have arrived at that time which the poets call the 'threshold of old age' --Is life harder towards the end, or what report do you give of it?

I will tell you, Socrates, he said, what my own feeling is. Men of my age flock together; we are birds of a feather, as the old proverb says; and at our meetings the tale of my acquaintance commonly is --I cannot eat, I cannot drink; the pleasures of youth and love are fled away: there was a good time once, but now that is gone, and life is no longer life. Some complain of the slights which are put upon them by relations, and they will tell you sadly of how many evils their old age is the cause. But to me, Socrates, these complainers seem to blame that which is not really in fault. For if old age were the cause, I too being old, and every other old man, would have felt as they do. But this is not my own experience, nor that of others whom I have known. How well I remember the aged poet Sophocles, when in answer to the question, How does love suit with age, Sophocles, --are you still the man you were? Peace, he replied; most gladly have I escaped the thing of which you speak; I feel as if I had escaped from a mad and furious master. His words have often occurred to my mind since, and they seem as good to me now as at the time when he uttered them. For certainly old age has a great sense of calm and freedom; when the passions relax their hold, then, as Sophocles says, we are freed from the grasp not of one mad master only, but of many. The truth is, Socrates, that these regrets, and also the complaints about relations, are to be attributed to the same cause, which is not old age, but men's characters and tempers; for he who is of a calm and happy nature will hardly feel the pressure of age, but to him who is of an opposite disposition youth and age are equally a burden.

I listened in admiration, and wanting to draw him out, that he might go on --Yes, Cephalus, I said: but I rather suspect that people in general are not convinced by you when you speak thus; they think that old age sits lightly upon you, not because of your happy disposition, but because you are rich, and wealth is well known to be a great comforter.

You are right, he replied; they are not convinced: and there is something in what they say; not, however, so much as they imagine. I might answer them as Themistocles answered the Seriphian who was abusing him and saying that he was famous, not for his own merits but because he was an Athenian: 'If you had been a native of my country or I of yours, neither of us would have been famous.' And to those who are not rich and are impatient of old age, the same reply may be made; for to the good poor man old age cannot be a light burden, nor can a bad rich man ever have peace with himself.

May I ask, Cephalus, whether your fortune was for the most part inherited or acquired by you?

Acquired! Socrates; do you want to know how much I acquired? In the art of making money I have been midway between my father and grandfather: for my grandfather, whose name I bear, doubled and trebled the value of his patrimony, that which he inherited being much what I possess now; but my father Lysanias reduced the property below what it is at present: and I shall be satisfied if I leave to these my sons not less but a little more than I received.

That was why I asked you the question, I replied, because I see that you are indifferent about money, which is a characteristic rather of those who have inherited their fortunes than of those who have acquired them; the makers of fortunes have a second love of money as a creation of their own, resembling the affection of authors for their own poems, or of parents for their children, besides that natural love of it for the sake of use and profit which is common to them and all men. And hence they are very bad company, for they can talk about nothing but the praises of wealth. That is true, he said.

Yes, that is very true, but may I ask another question? What do you consider to be the greatest blessing which you have reaped from your wealth?

One, he said, of which I could not expect easily to convince others. For let me tell you, Socrates, that when a man thinks himself to be near death, fears and cares enter into his mind which he never had before; the tales of a world below and the punishment which is exacted there of deeds done here were once a laughing matter to him, but now he is tormented with the thought that they may be true: either from the weakness of age, or because he is now drawing nearer to that other place, he has a clearer view of these things; suspicions and alarms crowd thickly upon him, and he begins to reflect and consider what wrongs he has done to others. And when he finds that the sum of his transgressions is great he will many a time like a child start up in his sleep for fear, and he is filled with dark forebodings. But to him who is conscious of no sin, sweet hope, as Pindar charmingly says, is the kind nurse of his age:

Hope, he says, cherishes the soul of him who lives in justice and holiness and is the nurse of his age and the companion of his journey; --hope which is mightiest to sway the restless soul of man.

How admirable are his words! And the great blessing of riches, I do not say to every man, but to a good man, is, that he has had no occasion to deceive or to defraud others, either intentionally or unintentionally; and when he departs to the world below he is not in any apprehension about offerings due to the gods or debts which he owes to men. Now to this peace of mind the possession of wealth greatly contributes; and therefore I say, that, setting one thing against another, of the many advantages which wealth has to give, to a man of sense this is in my opinion the greatest.

Well said, Cephalus, I replied; but as concerning justice, what is it? --to speak the truth and to pay your debts --no more than this? And even to this are there not exceptions? Suppose that a friend when in his right mind has deposited arms with me and he asks for them when he is not in his right mind, ought I to give them back to him? No one would say that I ought or that I should be right in doing so, any more than they would say that I ought always to speak the truth to one who is in his condition.

You are quite right, he replied.
But then, I said, speaking the truth and paying your debts is not a correct definition of justice.

Cephalus - SOCRATES - POLEMARCHUS

Quite correct, Socrates, if Simonides is to be believed, said Polemarchus interposing.

I fear, said Cephalus, that I must go now, for I have to look after the sacrifices, and I hand over the argument to Polemarchus and the company.

Is not Polemarchus your heir? I said.
To be sure, he answered, and went away laughing to the sacrifices.

Socrates - POLEMARCHUS

Tell me then, O thou heir of the argument, what did Simonides say, and according to you truly say, about justice?

He said that the repayment of a debt is just, and in saying so he appears to me to be right.

I should be sorry to doubt the word of such a wise and inspired man, but his meaning, though probably clear to you, is the reverse of clear to me. For he certainly does not mean, as we were now saying that I ought to return a return a deposit of arms or of anything else to one who asks for it when he is not in his right senses; and yet a deposit cannot be denied to be a debt.

True.
Then when the person who asks me is not in his right mind I am by no means to make the return?

Certainly not.
When Simonides said that the repayment of a debt was justice, he did not mean to include that case?

Certainly not; for he thinks that a friend ought always to do good to a friend and never evil.

You mean that the return of a deposit of gold which is to the injury of the receiver, if the two parties are friends, is not the repayment of a debt, --that is what you would imagine him to say?

Yes.
And are enemies also to receive what we owe to them?
To be sure, he said, they are to receive what we owe them, and an enemy, as I take it, owes to an enemy that which is due or proper to him --that is to say, evil.

Simonides, then, after the manner of poets, would seem to have spoken darkly of the nature of justice; for he really meant to say that justice is the giving to each man what is proper to him, and this he termed a debt.

That must have been his meaning, he said.
By heaven! I replied; and if we asked him what due or proper thing is given by medicine, and to whom, what answer do you think that he would make to us?

He would surely reply that medicine gives drugs and meat and drink to human bodies.

And what due or proper thing is given by cookery, and to what?
Seasoning to food.
And what is that which justice gives, and to whom?
If, Socrates, we are to be guided at all by the analogy of the preceding instances, then justice is the art which gives good to friends and evil to enemies.

That is his meaning then?
I think so.
And who is best able to do good to his friends and evil to his enemies in time of sickness?

The physician.
Or when they are on a voyage, amid the perils of the sea?
The pilot.
And in what sort of actions or with a view to what result is the just man most able to do harm to his enemy and good to his friends?

In going to war against the one and in making alliances with the other.

But when a man is well, my dear Polemarchus, there is no need of a physician?

No.
And he who is not on a voyage has no need of a pilot?
No.
Then in time of peace justice will be of no use?
I am very far from thinking so.
You think that justice may be of use in peace as well as in war?
Yes.
Like husbandry for the acquisition of corn?
Yes.
Or like shoemaking for the acquisition of shoes, --that is what you mean?

Yes.
And what similar use or power of acquisition has justice in time of peace?

In contracts, Socrates, justice is of use.
And by contracts you mean partnerships?
Exactly.
But is the just man or the skilful player a more useful and better partner at a game of draughts?

The skilful player.
And in the laying of bricks and stones is the just man a more useful or better partner than the builder?

Quite the reverse.
Then in what sort of partnership is the just man a better partner than the harp-player, as in playing the harp the harp-player is certainly a better partner than the just man?

In a money partnership.
Yes, Polemarchus, but surely not in the use of money; for you do not want a just man to be your counsellor the purchase or sale of a horse; a man who is knowing about horses would be better for that, would he not?

Certainly.
And when you want to buy a ship, the shipwright or the pilot would be better?

True.
Then what is that joint use of silver or gold in which the just man is to be preferred?

When you want a deposit to be kept safely.
You mean when money is not wanted, but allowed to lie?
Precisely.
That is to say, justice is useful when money is useless?
That is the inference.
And when you want to keep a pruning-hook safe, then justice is useful to the individual and to the state; but when you want to use it, then the art of the vine-dresser?

Clearly.
And when you want to keep a shield or a lyre, and not to use them, you would say that justice is useful; but when you want to use them, then the art of the soldier or of the musician?

Certainly.
And so of all the other things; --justice is useful when they are useless, and useless when they are useful?

That is the inference.
Then justice is not good for much. But let us consider this further point: Is not he who can best strike a blow in a boxing match or in any kind of fighting best able to ward off a blow?

Certainly.
And he who is most skilful in preventing or escaping from a disease is best able to create one?

True.
And he is the best guard of a camp who is best able to steal a march upon the enemy?

Certainly.
Then he who is a good keeper of anything is also a good thief?
That, I suppose, is to be inferred.
Then if the just man is good at keeping money, he is good at stealing it.

That is implied in the argument.
Then after all the just man has turned out to be a thief. And this is a lesson which I suspect you must have learnt out of Homer; for he, speaking of Autolycus, the maternal grandfather of Odysseus, who is a favourite of his, affirms that

He was excellent above all men in theft and perjury. And so, you and Homer and Simonides are agreed that justice is an art of theft; to be practised however 'for the good of friends and for the harm of enemies,' --that was what you were saying?

No, certainly not that, though I do not now know what I did say; but I still stand by the latter words.

Well, there is another question: By friends and enemies do we mean those who are so really, or only in seeming?

Surely, he said, a man may be expected to love those whom he thinks good, and to hate those whom he thinks evil.

Yes, but do not persons often err about good and evil: many who are not good seem to be so, and conversely?

That is true.
Then to them the good will be enemies and the evil will be their friends? True.

And in that case they will be right in doing good to the evil and evil to the good?

Clearly.
But the good are just and would not do an injustice?
True.
Then according to your argument it is just to injure those who do no wrong?

Nay, Socrates; the doctrine is immoral.
Then I suppose that we ought to do good to the just and harm to the unjust?

I like that better.
But see the consequence: --Many a man who is ignorant of human nature has friends who are bad friends, and in that case he ought to do harm to them; and he has good enemies whom he ought to benefit; but, if so, we shall be saying the very opposite of that which we affirmed to be the meaning of Simonides.

Very true, he said: and I think that we had better correct an error into which we seem to have fallen in the use of the words 'friend' and 'enemy.'

What was the error, Polemarchus? I asked.
We assumed that he is a friend who seems to be or who is thought good.

And how is the error to be corrected?
We should rather say that he is a friend who is, as well as seems, good; and that he who seems only, and is not good, only seems to be and is not a friend; and of an enemy the same may be said.

You would argue that the good are our friends and the bad our enemies?

Yes.
And instead of saying simply as we did at first, that it is just to do good to our friends and harm to our enemies, we should further say: It is just to do good to our friends when they are good and harm to our enemies when they are evil?

Yes, that appears to me to be the truth.
But ought the just to injure any one at all?
Undoubtedly he ought to injure those who are both wicked and his enemies.

When horses are injured, are they improved or deteriorated?
The latter.
Deteriorated, that is to say, in the good qualities of horses, not of dogs?

Yes, of horses.
And dogs are deteriorated in the good qualities of dogs, and not of horses?

Of course.
And will not men who are injured be deteriorated in that which is the proper virtue of man?

Certainly.
And that human virtue is justice?
To be sure.
Then men who are injured are of necessity made unjust?
That is the result.
But can the musician by his art make men unmusical?
Certainly not.
Or the horseman by his art make them bad horsemen?
Impossible.
And can the just by justice make men unjust, or speaking general can the good by virtue make them bad?

Assuredly not.
Any more than heat can produce cold?
It cannot.
Or drought moisture?
Clearly not.
Nor can the good harm any one?
Impossible.
And the just is the good?
Certainly.
Then to injure a friend or any one else is not the act of a just man, but of the opposite, who is the unjust?

I think that what you say is quite true, Socrates.
Then if a man says that justice consists in the repayment of debts, and that good is the debt which a man owes to his friends, and evil the debt which he owes to his enemies, --to say this is not wise; for it is not true, if, as has been clearly shown, the injuring of another can be in no case just.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
I have something of a guilty pleasure. I love reading websites and watching COPS style shows that are sort of the other side of this issue. You see someone get busted, noteworthy either because the person was enormously stupid and ignorant, or the crime was particularly heinous, and I find myself torn. Objectively, our system is a travesty, but psychologically, I do sometimes see people like that and I have a hard time finding sympathy for them.

I'm talking about seeing videos of someone brazenly walking into a business, shooting someone without even asking for money, in front of innocent people and taking $37. I'm talking about seeing a meth head killing his girlfriend, then killing his own children as a form of revenge.

Or the worst one I saw, hearing about a newly we couple get abducted, gang raped, mutilated, dismembered, and tortured to death over three days for literally no reason, a completely random crime. We're not talking about someone losing their temper, they just decided to torture this couple to death.

Or this thing where some girl from the suburbs got abducted and sold into sex slavery, where she was drugged and repeatedly raped and these heartless pimps just brazenly sell these women over craiglist like a used couch.

Its hard to think about this rationally when you see that many of these inmates, even if not a majority are evil evil people who have done unforgivable things, and not even as a crime of passion or poor judgment, but deliberately, heartlessly, and without conscience.

The only thing that makes me hostile to the prison system, is that prosecutors, and the machine in general, seem to want to treat every single suspect, conviction, or evidence or not, like they are one of these people (provided they aren't a well connected white person.) Even if their crimes are really petty, like that starving homeless guy who steals $100 because he's starving and got several years.


Not that I am OK with seeing one of these evil people tortured or raped, even if they deserve it but, its kind of hard to make the case, even for myself.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

21stCentury posted:

Society disagrees with me, obviously, but the easiest way to account for that 1% of 1% who are completely "evil". if you can believe that even these people do not deserve to be tortured, you can easily reconcile the "bad" part of prison reform. No one deserves that kind of treatment. Not even someone who tortures and dismembers a person over the course of a month.

I agree with you but, for the sake of argument, how do you know they are only 1%? Its not like the statistics distinguish or are objectively capable of distinguishing between murder 1 committed by someone who was at the end of their rope because her husband was abusing her, someone who is pressured into confessing to something they didn't do, someone who committed what a sane court would consider to be crime of passion against someone they knew, and some complete monster who committed murder 1 against a total stranger so that he could eat their soul by cooking them and eating their flesh.

Same goes for other crimes, you can't look at the numbers an objectively tell the difference between the monsters and people who made mistakes to conclude that monsters are only 1%.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

21stCentury posted:

My point is, no human being, ever, deserves to be tortured. No exceptions.

Ok, no human being, ever, deserves to be tortured. But how do you know that the One-Percenters really are "one-percenters?"

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Woozy posted:

This is the problem? Really?

Well, its part of the problem, people have a rose tinted view of the police. The police are not your friend. Their job is to arrest and gather evidence to prosecute you. They only "serve and protect" the interests of the elite.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

HidingFromGoro posted:

Does prolonged isolation drive death-row inmates insane?

I doubt I could make it 12 hours without being damaged. I don't think anyone deserves that, even the one-percenters I talked about earlier. I'd rather die than have to go through ten years of that. And seeing them expand the use of it on people who are in jail for selling dope or something is abhorrent.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

nm posted:

I think it actually would be an interesting idea for misdemeanor level violations (I believe a number of felonies probably should be misdos though). However, we would have to set it up like they do traffic fines in Finland. It is based on your pay.
For example, a theft of up to $1000 could be worth 1 month of pay (plus restitution).


"Why do you want to punish people more for being successful"
-Half The Country

A significant portion of our poor and middle class have stockholm syndrome when it comes to the abuses of the rich. See the tea party protests.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

KuNova posted:

I'm surprised by the hate and bigotry in this reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/nw2sw/til_transgender_prisoners_in_the_usa_are_housed/?sort=new

The issue is important, even if the problem is a symptom of the overall failure. The ignorance is astounding.

Also, is there an updated link for http://lf.dont-read.com/?p=51 ? Thanks.

Wow, every single post for page and pages is ignorance, even youtubes has some nuggets in the comments that aren't ignorant sometimes.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Soulcleaver posted:

HidingFromGoro, you are a hero. You have brought the truth of America's horrific medieval prison system to my eyes and those of many others. I know you're not the OP, but your contributions to this and other prison threads have been immeasurable.

He might as well be the OP. He was the OP of the LF thread which this was made to be a mirror of when LF was closed down.

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Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Some rear end in a top hat wrote to the local paper and it got to be the lead letter.

Lead letter: Prisons work better than social programs
Posted: May 31, 2012 - 12:00am | Updated: May 31, 2012 - 6:34am

Michael Hallett's opinion column titled, "Prosecution is no solution for violent crime problems," defies logic and common sense.

His premise is that money spent on prosecution and incarceration is wasted while only serving the needs of unnamed "powerful stakeholders," but that same money if spent on "tens of thousands of poor children in Jacksonville's public schools," would be productive and good.

Wisdom gleaned from 68 years of growing in knowledge and experience tells me the opposite. Criminals are individuals who have elected not to live within the bounds of societal norms.

When convicted, they often are incarcerated. When incarcerated, they are no longer on the streets committing crimes.

So my tax dollars spent on the criminal justice system have an immediate and positive impact on my life here in Jacksonville.

Criminals who could be committing crimes against me and my neighbors are in the slammer. That's bang for the taxpayer buck!

Contrast that with programs that purport to alleviate poverty and provide enrichment for young students in our local public schools.

Now we can really start to identify some "powerful stakeholders" — academics, teachers unions, anti-poverty agencies and federal, state and local bureaucrats.

It has been reported that since the initiation of the War on Poverty by President Lyndon Johnson in the mid-1960s, Americans have spent trillions of dollars in a futile attempt to eradicate poverty. The result in poverty reduction is effectively zilch.

As for the positive results in our local public schools from enrichment and other programs, give me a break. Our public schools have become a quasi-full-employment program, not an educational enrichment zone.

Hallett can call me Scrooge or the Grinch, but I will take the tangible cost-benefit ratio from prosecution and incarceration every day over feel-good but "never quite able to be measured" enrichment programs prescribed for the public schools.

Tim Turner,

Jacksonville

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/opinion/letters-readers/2012-05-31/story/lead-letter-prisons-work-better-social-programs#ixzz1wfpgMAyA

I am planning on responding

quote:

Someone once said, the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative is that a Conservative is a Liberal who has been robbed and a Liberal is a Conservative who has been arrested.

The system is severely flawed. Once you get snagged up by the machine, there is no getting out of it. Whether your were guilty or innocent, whether the crime was petty or severe. The mere status of being homeless is essentially criminal in some places.

You might be able to look down on "criminals" now but someday, you could be snatched up by that very system. Someday, you could lose your house. Someday, an arguement with a family member could escalate a little too far. Someday a cop or a prosecutor on a power trip could make you a target. Someday you could get injured in a car accident and an overzealous DEA agent, rather than your doctor decides your pain pills are suspicious. Someday you might make a mistake while driving and kill someone. Or maybe even your family members asks you to cash an inocuous check for them and next thing you know a federal prosecutor decides you're part of a "conspiracy." Maybe someday you decide to run for office and a prosecutor with a friend gunning for that job has your indicted on bull***** charges.

There are many roads to hell in our justice system and follow someone long enough and you can FIND something that they do that is illegal. Did you know it is illegal under federal law to own a fish? Do you know how many vaguely worded statutes there are?

The thing that so many people who wind up in the system say to themselves is "why me?" It's not all Carlos the career criminal liquor store robber although prisons are home to some real monsters. What those people should have said before the got caught up in the system was "Why not me?" We need more empathy. We need more wisdom. We don't need more prison. Our country has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. If more prisons were the answer we would be the least violent country on earth. We're not.


Also I really hate conservatives:

quote:

Your letter was on the mark, and it is expected that liberal pinheads as Hallett and his surrogates would attack you. The welfare program started by FDR was greatly expanded by LBJ and liberals in congress and has led to the destruction of the black family and increased government dependency!

In "The Abolition of Man" – C.S Lewis rails against the undermining of traditional values and the increase in emotional and sentimental propaganda!

"In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful."

BTW, the only 'execution' most liberals will accept is the 'execution' of the unborn, and that is a real shame!

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/opinion/letters-readers/2012-05-31/story/lead-letter-prisons-work-better-social-programs#ixzz1wfrP92Tf

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"The war on poverty and the war on crime were both failed wars on the same people".

so, you are stating if there was no poverty, there would be no drug problem? there have always been both, but drugs have never permeated our society as they do today and the "poor" have never lived so well. IMHO, if punishment was dealt out harshly ON BUYERS/USERS, there would be less use. TO SEND A KINGPIN TO JAIL WHOSE ORGANIZATION MAKES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR ONLY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE OF HIS UNDERLINGS. heck, for that kind of money, if i knew where the line was to get his job (and income) i'd get in it!

"people with few options going into the prison system had even fewer coming out".

here you are correct. druggies especially have a hard time as noone trust them again, with good reason. when was the last time you heard of a bank robber giving his/her children to others for sex if they have knowledge of information on a bank? it was in the T-U not that long ago where a mother sold her baby girl for sex for drugs. HOWEVER, illegal drugs are all SELF-INFLECTED! it is not by accident you are hooked on illegal drugs (you are not as "tough" as you think you are). "to escape the mental burden of poverty" is used as a reason for using drugs. you know what else works? a job! no matter how menial it may be, when you have a job, at the end of your day you can take pride in your accomplishments and/or learn from your "not so great moments". any failure in self esteem IS A FAILURE OF THE PARENTS, WHO HAVE JUST BEEN GIVEN EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING FOR SO LONG, THEY BELIEVE IT IS THEIR "RIGHT" TO HAVE EVERYTHING FOR FREE".

"Duval has long had the highest number of convicts on death row—yet we still lead the state in homicide"

number actually executed? this is akin to your mother or father saying the next time you do that, i'm going to punish you. but they never punish you regardless of the number of transgressions. the LACK of executions in todays failed judicial system breeds the notion that it will not happen. and based on current performance- that is correct! so the thought that if i kill someone i am going to die, never crosses a murderers' mind.

prison today is NOT a punishment for criminals, it is an inconvience. the greatest fear is not society's retribution, it is another inmate deciding , for whatever reason, to "get" you. now you've got real problems and real FEAR.

if criminals had as much fear and certainty of society's retribution as they know they have of another criminal, society wouldn't have a lot to worry about.

FIRE CURES BIGOTS fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 2, 2012

FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

HidingFromGoro posted:

If that weren't the case, and he was really interested in getting the most bang for his taxpayer buck in dealing with felons, he'd probably be interested in things which are twice as effective and 1800 times cheaper than prison.

I pointed this out to him and he just called me a marxist. I called him out for the name calling and he just said I was a perfect marxist.

FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Reading that, I really get the sense that lawyers and judges work under some kind of blue and orange morality that doesn't make a lick of sense to anyone outside of their community. He's innocent but he stays in jail. If he fights his conviction using the only tools at his disposal or tries to get paroled, he can't assert that he is innocent. Add to all of this all of the tools prosecutors have to lock people up for literally nothing. Like the ever popular "lying to investigators" or using interstate commerce for something.

FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/17/501097/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-arrests-6-year-old-undocumented-immigrant/

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Arrests 6-Year-Old Undocumented Immigrant

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Joe Arpaio, the controversial Arizona Sheriff from Maricaopa County, arrested a 6-year-old undocumented immigrant on Friday. The move came the same day President Obama announced a new policy halting deportations for young undocumented immigrants.

The Arizona Republic has the story:

The girl was with 15 other people believed to be in the country illegally who were traveling to the Midwest and northeast United States, said Chris Hegstrom, spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office.

“She’s been turned over to ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) to try to determine where she’s from. She told us she’s from El Salvador. That’s what she told us,” he said.

The arrest took place Friday night at an undisclosed location in northern Maricopa County…

The sheriff said his deputies arresting child suspected of being an illegal immigrant the same day Obama implemented the policy is a coincidence. But if more illegal children enter the country after hearing about the new policy, Arpaio said it may not be by happenstance.

“Are we going to get more of these situations where illegals feel like now they’re going to be safe? I don’t know,” he said.

Immediately following the President’s announcement Arpaio told a local ABC affiliate that it would not impact his approach toward young undocumented immigrants. “They will still be arrested,” he said.

Arpaio is currently being sued by the Department of Justice for multiple civil rights violations. He also admitted to using taxpayer resources to pursue an investigation into President Obama’s birth certificate, a widely debunked conspiracy theory.

FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html

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Ninth Circuit to DEA: putting a gun to an 11-year-old's head is not OK

By Mark Frauenfelder at 1:46 pm Monday, Jun 18

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals told the DEA that holding a gun to an 11-year-old girl's head constitutes “intentional infliction of emotional distress,” and they should stop doing it. No doubt the DEA will appeal the ruling.

At 7 a.m. on January 20, 2007, DEA agents battered down the door to Thomas and Rosalie Avina’s mobile home in Seeley, California, in search of suspected drug trafficker Louis Alvarez. Thomas Avina met the agents in his living room and told them they were making a mistake. Shouting “Don’t you loving move,” the agents forced Thomas Avina to the floor at gunpoint, and handcuffed him and his wife, who had been lying on a couch in the living room. As the officers made their way to the back of the house, where the Avina’s 11-year-old and 14-year-old daughters were sleeping, Rosalie Avina screamed, “Don’t hurt my babies. Don’t hurt my babies.”

The agents entered the 14-year-old girl’s room first, shouting “Get down on the loving ground.” The girl, who was lying on her bed, rolled onto the floor, where the agents handcuffed her. Next they went to the 11-year-old’s room. The girl was sleeping. Agents woke her up by shouting “Get down on the loving ground.” The girl’s eyes shot open, but she was, according to her own testimony, “frozen in fear.” So the agents dragged her onto the floor. While one agent handcuffed her, another held a gun to her head.

Moments later the two daughters were carried into the living room and placed next to their parents on the floor while DEA agents ransacked their home. After 30 minutes, the agents removed the children’s handcuffs. After two hours, the agents realized they had the wrong house—the product of a sloppy license plate transcription --and left.

Reason -- Ninth Circuit to DEA: putting a gun to an 11-Year-Old's head is not OK

FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post
So apparently Angola prison (which used to be a slave plantation) has a rodeo that they invite the general public to.

The prisoners are not trained before hand

But its cool because its completely voluntary.

And by voluntary, according to HFG when I talked to him, they have a choice between doing it or door number two and "door number 2 is... rather worse than volunteering"

So we're at the point of public blood sports of Angola inmates. This is on top of the demeaning practice of making them pick cotton.

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FIRE CURES BIGOTS
Aug 26, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Kugyou no Tenshi posted:

Georgia Drug Courts are more or less a pipeline to corporate-run treatment centers. Gov. Deal is "1000 percent behind the Drug Court system" for the same reason he was 1000 percent behind the charter school bill - corporate lobbying. The Drug Courts are also still tools to push the same "drugs bad, abstinence good" mentality that fuels the War on Drugs in the first place, just without jail time.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/430/very-tough-love

A drug court program that we believe is run differently from every other drug court in the country, doing some things that are contrary to the very philosophy of drug court. The result? People with offenses that would get minimal or no sentences elsewhere sometimes end up in the system five to ten years.

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